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Old 21-02-2013, 10:52
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I noticed that Striing didn't mention actual calorie amounts and total calories per day. I know from experience that totting up calories for the day can be a bit of a pain, but I was surprised as to what foods had what calories. The pre-packed foods probably have a calorie figure on the package somewhere.

BTW: I'll be at 891 calories when I finish work and go home.
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Old 21-02-2013, 11:00
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I'm not doing calories. I'm with WeightWatchers and have pointed everything since 1 Jan. This won't mean much unless you know propoints but my daily allowance is 33 (it was 34 when I started) and weeklies is 49 (same for everyone I think). Since 1 Jan I have used 41 dailies, 51 weeklies and earned 14 activity points. In the past 4 weeks I have used 39 dailies (so 6 over), 49 weeklies and earned 18 activity points.

Obviously I need to get within the 33 - perhaps that's all it is. But it seems odd that when I was more over I lost and now I'm getting closer I'm not - especially when I'm obese. It shouldn't be this hard with so much to lose surely?

Edit: I have done calories in the past. The reason I'm not doing it anymore is that to lose weight on calories I had to eat about 600-700 a day AND exercise for about 2 hours a day to lose weight. I did it for about 3 months and then realised there was no way I was going to be able to do it for the rest of my life (apart from anything else I was on a long holiday at the time and I knew that I couldn't eat 700 calories and go to work). I kept that weight off for years and only got obese when I was working from home and barely moved at all.
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Old 21-02-2013, 11:04
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So you eat back your exercise "points" ? with calorie counting you can eat back a little but only a very little of the exercise you do.

Also with points do you weigh and measure portions ? I found a little diet digital scale has been worth it's weight in gold.
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Old 21-02-2013, 11:09
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I don't deliberately eat back points. I'm doing WW online so it calculates everything automatically - it takes the dailies first, then weeklies then exercise points - then goes into negative if you've gone over!

Yep I weigh everything. That's how I discovered how little pasta you get for points. I was eating double what I'm eating now before I got the scales out.

From writing these posts I'm thinking I just really have to get within the points. The thing is everyone says you're not supposed to be hungry - and I am. Which is why I though I must be eating the wrong things.
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Old 21-02-2013, 11:11
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Edit: I have done calories in the past. The reason I'm not doing it anymore is that to lose weight on calories I had to eat about 600-700 a day AND exercise for about 2 hours a day to lose weight. I did it for about 3 months and then realised there was no way I was going to be able to do it for the rest of my life (apart from anything else I was on a long holiday at the time and I knew that I couldn't eat 700 calories and go to work). I kept that weight off for years and only got obese when I was working from home and barely moved at all.
You have to eat only 600-700 a day AND exercise for about 2 hours a day to lose weight?

Are you sure? That seems an exceptionally low allocation.

If it's not too personal, can I ask your gender and height?
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Old 21-02-2013, 11:17
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I've started today.

Lose weight for my holiday in July.

Not a massive amount. Couple of stone.

Just wish I didn't feel so crap. Chest and cold giving me jip. Went to JJb yesterday to buy some running trainers, top and shorts.

All kitted up ready.
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Old 21-02-2013, 11:19
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I'm so out of sync getting back into exercise is going to be hard.

I use to burn about 700 calories a day on the running machine at gym.
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Old 21-02-2013, 11:22
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You have to eat only 600-700 a day AND exercise for about 2 hours a day to lose weight?

Are you sure? That seems an exceptionally low allocation.

If it's not too personal, can I ask your gender and height?
That was about 15 years ago.

I'm female and between 5' 8 and 9.

The maximum I'm supposed to weight is about 11.10. I was 12 stone by the time I was 15. I went down to 11.7 when I was 16 (through illness) but went back up to 12 and stayed between 12 and 13 for years. The time I lost weight doing calories I had gone up to 13.10. It took me about 3 months of eating 600-700 cals and exercising 2 hours a day to get back down to 13. I crept up slowly as I got older but only got clinically obese when I worked from home. The last time I tried to lose weight it took me 10 weeks to lose a stone on WW. This time I lost a stone in 7 weeks - but then stalled.
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Old 21-02-2013, 11:33
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That was about 15 years ago.

I'm female and between 5' 8 and 9.

The maximum I'm supposed to weight is about 11.10. I was 12 stone by the time I was 15. I went down to 11.7 when I was 16 (through illness) but went back up to 12 and stayed between 12 and 13 for years. The time I lost weight doing calories I had gone up to 13.10. It took me about 3 months of eating 600-700 cals and exercising 2 hours a day to get back down to 13. I crept up slowly as I got older but only got clinically obese when I worked from home. The last time I tried to lose weight it took me 10 weeks to lose a stone on WW. This time I lost a stone in 7 weeks - but then stalled.
I don't know the WW method, other than it's 'points' which are an approximation of calories.

I went to here: http://www.freedieting.com/tools/calorie_calculator.htm and put in some figures, a combination of the data you posted, and some wild guesses. The result was about 1277 calories/day for weight loss.

As discussed before, calorie counters vary a bit. But, that number seems much higher than the 600-700 calories per day you mentioned before. I wonder whether it would be worth you trying a number of different sites/numbers, and seeing what numbers you get.

I could imagine using the WW diet, as it's easy to calculate. But I quite like numbers and don't mind doing the calculations and lookups as much as others might. I personally would not want to do the 5:2 diet (for example) as it's too approximate and I wouldn't know whether my calorie intake would be what it should be or not. Striing, It's only a wild guess, but I wonder if you would benefit from actual doing some sample calculations just to see if your approximate figures do lead you to eat the right number of calories for your personal parameters and your aims.

Edit: Welcome (back?) and good luck, Delta Tango.
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Old 21-02-2013, 11:49
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WW calculates based on protein, fat, carbs and fibre.

Thanks but I really don't think I could face counting calories again after having had to work so hard just to lose 10lb in the past... .

Some people have said that if they eat the weeklies they don't lose - so maybe I just have to stick to the dailies and not use the weeklies at all - ie eat a hell of a lot less. Either that or eat differently - which is where I came in.
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Old 21-02-2013, 12:17
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700 calories is below what you need to eat just to lie in bed all day, you put your body into starvation mode and you will not lose weight very quickly at all. Quite dangerous for your organs ect too.
I eat between 1000 and 1200 calories a day depending how much moving aorund I can do.

I am not eating low fat but have cut my carbs considerably and cut out sugar as completely as possible. This allows you big portions of vegetables and salad etc. which fill you up while being low calorie. Some days it's a struggle to eat enough so I am rarely if ever hungry.
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Old 21-02-2013, 12:33
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Yes I know 700 cals is dreadful. It happened by default because I couldn't lose any other way so I ended up eating once a day in order to shift the 10lbs. I had a strict pattern of when I got up, exercised, bought and ate food. I would not do it again or recommend it. But I did get down to 12.10 (dropped a few more pounds after I stopped counting) which is the lowest I've ever been (though still overweight).
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Old 21-02-2013, 13:33
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Having completed my third week on the 5-2 diet, I have lost 6lb in total
Ah, not many of us on here following this. I started this method on 7th January, largely because I was looking for a long-term solution rather than a diet. With the greatest of respect to those following traditional calorie restriction, the evidence for long-term weight loss as a result really isn't good at all. Also, the health benefits of the 5:2 method seemed too good to pass up.

The good news is that it's very easy to follow: 600 calories (500 if you're a woman) on 2 non-consecutive days per week. Psychologically, this is a huge benefit. Instead of facing months of consistent deprivation, you're only ever 24 hours away from 'normal' eating - anyone can hold out for 24 hours. You might think that you simply pig out on non-restriction days but I haven't experienced that at all. If anything, I'm eating slightly better on non-fasting days.

The fasting days are very simple: breakfast is 2 eggs, scrambled with a tiny bit of butter, lunch and dinner are each half a carton of supermarket soup with a single crispbread. I started out using cup-a-soups but they are revolting and nutritionally useless. The fasting days themselves are considerably easier than you might think. Initially I had a problem from low blood sugar in the early evening and felt a bit sleepy driving home from work (it's an hour-long journey) but that seems to have passed.

This is clearly not a quick fix so I'm not even bothering to weigh myself more than once a fortnight and I'm monitoring how clothes fit as least as much as my weight. Results? On 7th January I weighed 87.65kg and by 25th January 85.4kg, a loss of 2.25kg (5lb) in 2.5 weeks. Like any change, this is a quick start and I certainly don't expect to maintain a loss of 2lb/week in the future. Out of curiosity, I weighed myself on 4th February and was down to 84.05kg but I had been ill with a virus for 3 days and eaten almost nothing so expect to have gained by this Friday, the next scheduled weigh-in.

Of course, results could be boosted by some exercise but I really can't be arsed when it's this cold and exercise is not very good for weight loss anyway (it's got lots of other benefits, of course).

The most important thing (apart from the general health benefits) is that this appears to be easy to maintain for the long-term. Of course I'm only 6 weeks in so it's early days for a lifestyle change but I can honestly say that it's not been difficult; I still have cheese, sweets and booze etc in the house on fasting days but haven't been tempted. As I say, being able to tell yourself 'Not today but tomorrow you can' is very easy. Then, when tomorrow comes, you don't actually pig out anyway.

If you've read this far, well done and the best of luck, whatever method you're using.
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Old 21-02-2013, 13:38
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For generations people have calorie counted many make it work. I am making sure I eat the same foods I will continue to eat for life, which is why I have knocked sugar on the head completely I will never be able to eat small amounts of it so better to get rid of it.

Also different things work for different people at different times in their lives. I wouldn't rubbish your diet if it is working for you, but I know it wouldn't work for me.
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Old 21-02-2013, 14:02
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I went to here: http://www.freedieting.com/tools/calorie_calculator.htm and put in some figures, a combination of the data you posted, and some wild guesses. The result was about 1277 calories/day for weight loss.
Woah - I've just done the calculation for my WW points and (including weeklies) it's somewhere between 1600 and 2000 a day (depending on whether you go for the reported higher or lower equivalents).

Now in theory I guess I should still be losing at that as I must have been eating more than that to get obese no? But if I'm eating 2000 cals a day that would certainly account for why I've got stuck after losing a stone!

I'm wondering if WW is worth it now. I really wanted something that would help me eat the right things... and I know I struggle on my own.
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Old 21-02-2013, 14:07
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I am not eating low fat but have cut my carbs considerably and cut out sugar as completely as possible. This allows you big portions of vegetables and salad etc. which fill you up while being low calorie. Some days it's a struggle to eat enough so I am rarely if ever hungry.
I'm developing my stewed vegetable side-dish recipes. It's easy to add things such as courgette, mushroom, broccoli, cauliflower, and cook in a bit of water and various types of seasoning. To me the cooking and seasoning makes it like 'proper filling food', even though there aren't many calories.

Woah - I've just done the calculation for my WW points and (including weeklies) it's somewhere between 1600 and 2000 a day (depending on whether you go for the reported higher or lower equivalents).

Now in theory I guess I should still be losing at that as I must have been eating more than that to get obese no? But if I'm eating 2000 cals a day that would certainly account for why I've got stuck after losing a stone!

I'm wondering if WW is worth it now. I really wanted something that would help me eat the right things... and I know I struggle on my own.
I personally think that the basic technique of WW is a good idea, to make simple easy to remember approximations of calorific content. And I like the idea of people getting into a group and encouraging each other.

However, something has gone wrong here. 2000 calories is quite a bit more than I eat, I'm a male who is 2-3 inches taller than you, and I'm only losing slowly on my 1800 per day.

Perhaps you could discuss this at your next WW meeting. Something doesn't add up, though I don't know what.
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Old 21-02-2013, 14:55
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Hey all, I have been following this thread for a while and thought I'd join in. I've been overweight, well obese for most of my adult life and to be honest have never really had enough motivation to lose weight, i've tried many diets over the last 10 years or so which have worked short term but never long term. Over the years i've gradually crept upto 19 stone which is where I found myself at the start of 2012.

After a few weeks of thinking about it I woke up one morning, gave myself a slap and told myself to "sort my life out!", I spoke to a few friends and looked online and decided that if I was going to lose it and keep it off I needed to have a lifestyle change more than just another diet. I went with Slimfast as a friend recommended it and decided that I needed to start exercising properly so I bought myself a cross trainer which I use between 2 1/2-3 hours per week. But the biggest change for me was cutting down significantly on bread (from 1 sandwich per day to 2 rolls every two weeks) and Pepsi (from over 10 pints a week to 2 cans per week), i've always had relatively healthy meals during the week and then gone mad at the weekend and all i've done is just go less mad now.

A typical weekday for me now is a Slimfast Milkshake for breakfast, Slimfast bar for lunch, upto 2 snacks if I get hungry and an average 600-800 (sometimes more) calorie meal in the evening. I also only drink water except for the two cans of pepsi and alcohol if I go out (on average 2 pints per week). On a Saturday i'll allow myself a pizza, curry or even a takeaway or meal out every now and again. On a Sunday I always have a roast dinner.

To start with it was tough going as I felt hungry going to bed and missed not drinking a Pepsi or 2 a day but i've been doing this now for 13 months and i'm at the stage where my body is used to eating less and i'm not having any problems with wanting to over-eat or drink. Infact I Iook back now and wonder what on earth I was doing. My only problems have come from getting injuries whilst exercising that have at times slowed me down but i've since purchased knee, elbow, ankle and foot supports to help me.

I've gone from 19st 2lbs to 14st 6lbs averaging losing just over a pound per week, my ideal weight is apparently 11 stone but i'd be happy if I can get down to and stay at 12 stone. For the first time in a long time I can get into waist 36in jeans and i've gone from 2xl to large shirts and i've thrown out all my old clothes that are now too big for me. I feel much better during the day and i've always played a lot of sport and no longer feel sluggish moving around a badminton or squash court.

I know losing it is only half the battle but this is the first time i've been determined to lose it and keep it off so hopefully it will keep going well. I've enjoyed reading everyones updates on here and hopefuly we can all get to where we want to be.
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Old 21-02-2013, 15:05
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Woah - I've just done the calculation for my WW points and (including weeklies) it's somewhere between 1600 and 2000 a day (depending on whether you go for the reported higher or lower equivalents).

Now in theory I guess I should still be losing at that as I must have been eating more than that to get obese no? But if I'm eating 2000 cals a day that would certainly account for why I've got stuck after losing a stone!

I'm wondering if WW is worth it now. I really wanted something that would help me eat the right things... and I know I struggle on my own.
I never use the weekly 49 points and I make sure to always be under my allowed 29 points. I don't sit down until I've earned at least 8 points on my pedometer but I don't eat them.
I'm rarely hungry, if you are than you need to have a complete overhaul of what you're eating.
I don't snack on things like crisps and ww's bars as I find I can find something much more filling for the same points. I don't really have a typical day as I find my weight loss slows down if I get stuck in a rut of eating the same things.
I do rely a lot on stews though, low in points and very filling. Whatever meal I have, I top it up with a mini mountain of veg and I always have a bowl of sugar free jelly in the fridge. Bread is definitely something I try to avoid eating a lot of, I find a piece of fish with salad or veg a more filling lunch than a sandwich for less points.
I had a quick tot up of my calories yesterday and I had 1,290
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Old 21-02-2013, 18:22
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Perhaps you could discuss this at your next WW meeting. Something doesn't add up, though I don't know what.
I don't go to meetings - I'm just doing it online.

At the lower level mine works out at 1600 - but of course I've said I'm not sticking to it, I did for a couple of weeks but lost nothing so lost heart.

Perhaps I'd be better off just doing low calories - I can stick to it if I have a rigid plan. I just didn't want to go down that route again as it doesn't feel sustainable.

I never use the weekly 49 points and I make sure to always be under my allowed 29 points. I don't sit down until I've earned at least 8 points on my pedometer but I don't eat them.
I'm rarely hungry, if you are than you need to have a complete overhaul of what you're eating.
I don't snack on things like crisps and ww's bars as I find I can find something much more filling for the same points. I don't really have a typical day as I find my weight loss slows down if I get stuck in a rut of eating the same things.
I do rely a lot on stews though, low in points and very filling. Whatever meal I have, I top it up with a mini mountain of veg and I always have a bowl of sugar free jelly in the fridge. Bread is definitely something I try to avoid eating a lot of, I find a piece of fish with salad or veg a more filling lunch than a sandwich for less points.
I had a quick tot up of my calories yesterday and I had 1,290
Thanks for this. When I read up on WW it said you should eat the points and weeklies - but you are certainly not the first person actually on the plan who has said no way. Are you on 29 points because you're at goal? That's the lowest you can go isn't it?

I am very often hungry. I definitely need to change what I'm eating - I just don't know how. A sad admission I know but there it is. I have never learned to cook properly and find it a total bore. And when I do buy food I end up throwing some away beccause there's too much for one person to each within the timeframe.

Can I ask something else - the WW recipes refer to cooking spray. I have read that the cooking spray is not good for you (not that I can find it anyway) and WW also refers to 'healthy oils'. Does anyone use cooking spray? And how do you get the daily healthy oils, without using something like olive oil to cook (or taking supplements)?
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Old 21-02-2013, 20:29
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Hi I'm looking to join this thread after being lambasted (quite rightly) for trying to lose weight by eating 800 calories a day. Did this for two weeks and lost nothing.

I work an average of 10 hour days with two hours travel time so I really don't have much time to excercise. I'm hoping that upping my calorie intake to 1000 - 1200 will be OK. I'm 5ft 2 and female.
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Old 21-02-2013, 21:14
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I don't go to meetings - I'm just doing it online.

At the lower level mine works out at 1600 - but of course I've said I'm not sticking to it, I did for a couple of weeks but lost nothing so lost heart.

Perhaps I'd be better off just doing low calories - I can stick to it if I have a rigid plan. I just didn't want to go down that route again as it doesn't feel sustainable.


Thanks for this. When I read up on WW it said you should eat the points and weeklies - but you are certainly not the first person actually on the plan who has said no way. Are you on 29 points because you're at goal? That's the lowest you can go isn't it?

I am very often hungry. I definitely need to change what I'm eating - I just don't know how. A sad admission I know but there it is. I have never learned to cook properly and find it a total bore. And when I do buy food I end up throwing some away beccause there's too much for one person to each within the timeframe.

Can I ask something else - the WW recipes refer to cooking spray. I have read that the cooking spray is not good for you (not that I can find it anyway) and WW also refers to 'healthy oils'. Does anyone use cooking spray? And how do you get the daily healthy oils, without using something like olive oil to cook (or taking supplements)?
I think 26 is the lowest you can go and to be honest that's how many I have most days, I don't really need the 29. I've lost over 5st and have approx 2 1/2 more to lose, though I'm not sure of my goal weight as I've embarrisngly never been slim in my adult life so I'm just taking it as it comes.
The way my WW leader explains the weeklies is that they are there in case you go over, as a safety net in case you suddenly end up in the pub or something but aren't to be used up every week as you will find weightloss very slow if you do, so I don't use them as I like to lose at least a pound a week.
I don't use any oils but I do have the fry light spray which I rarely use because I prefer to grill rather than fry food.
I'm not great at cooking either but I popped into Marks and spencers a few months ago, bought a few of their tastiest looking fuller for longer and count on us meals and I looked at the ingredients and started improvising and making my own, those meals gave me some great ideas because to be honest I don't like ww ready meals, teeny tiny portions, lacking in taste and left me hungry but the Marks and spencer meals are fab, leave you full and now I cook my own and my own variations of them, they are great for inspiration.
Some things are just so quick and easy to make, a chicken breast, dollop of mash and a pile of your favourite veg, approx 8 points. One of my favourites is a yorkshire pudding, 2 ww sausages, potato, veg and gravy, again only 7 or 8 points and won't leave you hungry. I don't eat a lot of rice or any other pasta because you just can't have much of it and I like a proper plateful or I'm hungry soon after. Also look out for quorn stuff, it's often lower in points, fat and calories than the meat alternative. I like the quorn mince and pepper steaks.
I've also started to have a quick approx tot up of my calorie intake each day and it's usually around the 1,200 to 1,350 mark and it's giving me a good regular weight loss of between 1 and 2 1/2 lbs a week.
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Old 21-02-2013, 22:31
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Thanks netcurtains. I'm going to have a rethink. I can't see how I'd manage long term on just the dailies.

I had previously thought about doing a VLC diet just to get the weight off as I know I can maintain if I can just get down (I haven't put on weight for years and went up very quickly due to changing to a wholly sedentary lifestyle overnight). I might see the nutritionist at my GP and see what they think. I could do it over the summer when I have a long time off work.
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Old 21-02-2013, 22:45
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Hi I'm looking to join this thread after being lambasted (quite rightly) for trying to lose weight by eating 800 calories a day. Did this for two weeks and lost nothing.

I work an average of 10 hour days with two hours travel time so I really don't have much time to excercise. I'm hoping that upping my calorie intake to 1000 - 1200 will be OK. I'm 5ft 2 and female.
1200 is the bare minimum you should be eating. if you exercise, eat more
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Old 22-02-2013, 09:40
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Great start today - had a Krispy Kreme doughnut for breakfast.
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Old 22-02-2013, 10:25
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My brother and I don't really calorie count ourself we just eat stuff which are high in carb, protein and omega 3 during the 3 hour metabolic window after you workout . Moderately low carbs and high protein and omega 3 outside those 3 hours and both of us have lost a lot of weight. I eat every 2 hours 6 meals in total.

By the way lifting weight does help with fat loss and a combination of doing intense cardio exercise too. i only spend 1 hour at the gym and 20 mins of doing intense cardio exercise.
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