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Old 22-02-2013, 10:35
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Sky News reporting it now; documents available online "shortly"; some 90 pages redacted.
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Old 22-02-2013, 10:40
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The Pollard documents should appear here

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Old 22-02-2013, 10:45
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Old 22-02-2013, 10:58
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BBC News itself expressing surprise that the Pollard documents are not online yet!
Whenever thy appear, the site will probably crash!
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Old 22-02-2013, 11:00
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Sorry for the delay to getting going on Pollard this morning - a slight technical glitch which has been fixed.
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Old 22-02-2013, 11:02
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Here it is at last
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Jeremy Paxman interview http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/abouttheb...emy_paxman.pdf
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BBC News - showing Paxman interview with portions blacked out.
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Old 22-02-2013, 11:17
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Old 22-02-2013, 11:38
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Updates as journos go through the documents
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Old 22-02-2013, 11:38
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His flat has sold.....for 75,000 less than the asking price.

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"11.38 Interesting tangential swipe by Paxman at BBC being "full of radio people", specifically Helen Boaden (previously controller of Radio 4 and Director of BBC News) and Peter Rippon (previously editor of multiple programmes at Radio 4 before being appointed Editor of Newsnight), amongst others.

He is sympathetic to Rippon after his treatment by the BBC, however, after he decided to axe a Newsnight investigation into Savile and was then left to take the full force of the media's criticism with little support from management behind his decision. "

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Old 22-02-2013, 11:58
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The Daily Mail got its knickers in a twist over censorship and cover up, yet from what I've read so far the BBC lawyers have protected victims who did not wished to be named.

From Merion Jones statement he confirms he was in contact with Mark William Thomas as early as July 2011. That suggests Thomas had more involvement than just being called in at the last moment to express an opinion on the recorded interviews.
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Old 22-02-2013, 12:03
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"11.38 Interesting tangential swipe by Paxman at BBC being "full of radio people", specifically Helen Boaden (previously controller of Radio 4 and Director of BBC News) and Peter Rippon (previously editor of multiple programmes at Radio 4 before being appointed Editor of Newsnight), amongst others.

He is sympathetic to Rippon after his treatment by the BBC, however, after he decided to axe a Newsnight investigation into Savile and was then left to take the full force of the media's criticism with little support from management behind his decision. "

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...e-inquiry.html
I believe Paxman has said previously he was unaware of the Savile investigation...if people are interested in Savile then they should be looking at Jones, MacKean and Rippon's statements?

Or those pretending to be concerned about child abuse really just interested in salacious gossip?
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More from the Paxman unterview
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We only get the 'mild' Paxman comments

Someone loves the black marker pen

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...o_2489226a.jpg

For a change, i agree with Lord McAlpine - it should all be released

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/t...pine-says.html
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Old 22-02-2013, 12:24
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We only get the 'mild' Paxman comments

Someone loves the black marker pen

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...o_2489226a.jpg

For a change, i agree with Lord McAlpine - it should all be released

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/t...pine-says.html
It's pathetic, isn't it? I'd love to hear the legal reasons behind the redactions.
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Though partially redacted, Paxman thinks suppression of #Savile #Newsnight inquiry was a 'corporate' decision p 53-5 http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/abouttheb...emy_paxman.pdf
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Old 22-02-2013, 12:49
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Only people not interested in child abuse and the Savile saga would concentrate on what Paxman says.

Who and what did Merion Jones have suspicions about not at the BBC but in connection with Surrey Police...mmmmm.
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Old 22-02-2013, 13:55
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[quote=jerseyporter;64281549]BIB - forgive me for responding, as it is clear you have a strong drive to 'put things right', but I'm going to try and explain this form a slightly different aspect. It is quite a long explanation - apologies in advance, and I'm not even sure I'll make my point clearly enough, but I'm going to try!

I am Catholic and my best friend is an ex-priest (still a relatively young man in his early 40s) who was himself abused as a teenager by a male teacher at a very well-known religious boarding school. My friend decided to become a priest himself, after a night being subjected to the most disgusting things by this man (the teacher was a priest as well), not because he had a true vocation to be a priest, but specifically "because I wanted to right the wrongs that were done to me by a priest". But of course, it didn't work - he had a breakdown and I supported him through leaving the priesthood a few years ago because of course he was a priest for all the wrong reasons.

But unlike others from the same school who have brought prosecutions against the teachers/priests involved, my friend has never been motivated to seek redress that way - he doesn't want to, and I must respect that, even though I know the name of the man who abused him and where to find him (as do the police) but without enough evidence they can do nothing. This man was 'dealt with' by the Church internally several times after boys said things about him, but it was never enough to bring a prosecution without a willingness to go to court, and yes the priest/teacher was simply moved around in the naive hope he meant it when he said he was 'sorry' and 'wouldn't do it again'.

Who's fault is it that he was left at large? The different Headteachers who agreed to move him/take him on their staff knowing his history/rumours? The Diocese? Ultimately the Pope? Or... was it my friend, the victim's fault, and the other victims like him, who for whatever reason didn't want to say anything against this man publicly, and so also had to live with the guilt that if he had spoken up other boys may have been spared? Where does the ultimate responsibility lie for these awful acts when it comes to 'who pays?' The abuser is the only one against whom anger/payment for actions/whatever you want to call it should be leveled, surely?

Of course my friend lives with the guilt that he could/should/would have saved others if he'd spoken up, but until it's happened to you you cannot judge what is 'right' for the victim to do - they have to cope with life somehow, and if my friend doesn't want to go to court because he knows to do otherwise would probably drive him to another breakdown and/or taking his own life through the same of a public case (his family don't know what happened to him, even now) then I'd rather have my friend alive, and just support him as best I can to be the best person he can be.

You might expect my friend to be angry at the Headteacher, who knew this teacher had a history of abuse and had been shunted around to 'keep things quiet' and 'dealt with so no fuss is made', but actually he isn't. In fact, he still counts him as a friend, knowing that (at that time) no one really knew how to deal with accusations of abuse, and the Head himself had no more insight or knowledge about the seriousness of the situation when it came to 'covering it up by moving the teacher around' than any other organisation which did exactly the same thing at that time (and before that time). It's just that the Catholic Church ended up being the 'organisation every knows about', and so suddenly we heard about priests being moved by Bishops to 'keep things quiet' here, there and everywhere - but it was happening in other places too, with other professions, other non-religious contexts. But boy, did the Catholic Church pay, and is still the 'easy target' because of its somewhat unique way of running itself. It also didn't get much credit for leading the way in (admittedly after the horse had bolted in too many cases) instituting safeguarding for children way before schools did, hospitals did, anyone else did (at least, over here)! Whatever it does, however much good it now does to safeguard children, there will always be those (many of them not even Catholic themselves!) who will say "too little, too late". And yet... and yet there is my friend, Catholic ex-priest, victim of horrendous abuse by another priest, who shamed me into looking into my own heart and made me consider my 'righteous anger' against a man I'd never met, made me realise it wasn't my place, or my right, to judge.


I know now that every victim is different, reacts differently, wants different things to happen - but it is not up to any of us to say what that should be unless we are also one of those victims or directly involved in any way. Maybe you are, maybe that's why you feel so strongly, and if you are I'm sorry. But if you are just saying it because you think it's the 'right' thing to say/do, then I hope looking at it from a slightly different angle, from the point of view of my friend's story, has given a different aspect to your considerations.

I struggled with my faith a lot after I found out about my friend - when he was still a priest I'd go to Mass and watch him say the 'Our Father', specifically 'forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us', and for a while I was so confused how he could say that after what was done to him - I couldn't say those words on his behalf for a long time! But then I realised that by not being able to say the words, the abuser was still winning - and my friend, full of everything that's good and right, was looking right at me as he was saying the words as if he was telepathically telling me "you can't be angry for me, you can't put it right for me, please don't feel full of 'righteous revenge' on my behalf etc...".

So I think what I'm trying to say is, that even if you/anyone might have the idea that someone 'must' pay in terms of what should be done to any of the perpetrators, or those who are seen has having 'protected' the perpetrators to 'keep things quiet' in any of the abuse scandals - be it JS or anonymous priests answerable to Bishops and the Pope teaching in schools - it's easy to get caught up in feelings of 'righteous revenge' on behalf of the victims and see things from the narrow point of view of "they (the perpetrator/s) must be made to pay" (or, in the case of the Pope, "those ultimately responsible for them staying 'in post' must be made to pay") when held up against my friend, the victim, who those who don't understand why he can't, might also accuse him of aiding and abetting the abuser staying in post by not wanting to press charges.

It's very complicated - I'm not sure I've explained it clearly - but ultimately the only person who is responsible for any action is the person (abuser) themselves, and second hand responsibility (e.g. the Pope 'paying for his part in it in this life' is not always the way the victims themselves see it - some do, of course, but others don't. And one size does not fit all when it comes to how each victim would like those with first or second hand responsibility to be treated by others.[quote]

That's an absolutely brilliant post. I wish more people would get it and hopefully you've helped them to. Thankyou JerseyPorter.
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Old 22-02-2013, 14:01
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Only people not interested in child abuse and the Savile saga would concentrate on what Paxman says.

Who and what did Merion Jones have suspicions about not at the BBC but in connection with Surrey Police...mmmmm.
I'm not remotely interested in the Savile saga and haven't been for months. I am interested in the enquiry process, if that's all right with you.

Thanks for the updates, Sad_BB. As always, appreciated.
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Old 22-02-2013, 17:00
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You know in the autobiography that JS wrote back in 1974 he didn't keep it a secret that he liked to bed young girls and three in a bed with them either. The BBC knew what he was like and wouldn't have been a surprise to them when they saw his book at the time.
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Old 22-02-2013, 17:08
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You know in the autobiography that JS wrote back in 1974 he didn't keep it a secret that he liked to bed young girls and three in a bed with them either. The BBC knew what he was like and wouldn't have been a surprise to them when they saw his book at the time.
Not chipped in on the thread for a while but that, for me, is the 'elephant in the room' and summarizes the culture of the BBC 'back in the day' up until relatively recently. It's the whole 'hiding in plain sight' thingy all over again. People just didn't want to see.
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Old 22-02-2013, 17:49
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Don't know if this has been posted, but part of this week's Popbitch mailout directed to this.

http://popbitch.com/home/2013/02/20/...st-interviews/

''I haven't got a favourite group, but I have 4 sisters and two brothers, all of whom are quite sane and normal''.
You know in the autobiography that JS wrote back in 1974 he didn't keep it a secret that he liked to bed young girls and three in a bed with them either. The BBC knew what he was like and wouldn't have been a surprise to them when they saw his book at the time.
In the interview linked in Saltydog's quote above above he said the same thing and somehow it was never questioned. There are about three remarks which indicate his predilection esp. the one about being discovered in the early hours of the morning with 5 girls in his caravan by the parents of one of them.

It's also of interest to me that he also said he had no favourite singer then to another question no favourite group. Doesn't indicate much interest in the pop scene really, does it?
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