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Old 28-02-2013, 13:01
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Actually I do feel sorry for decent people who's son or daughter murders someone, I should imagine they have an unbearable sense of guilt; I don't think that they need any charity donation though, & it doesn't alter the fact that it was a naive decision by the actress.
Are you just being deliberately rude, or are you not able to convey your point without using insults?
I'm not being rude, just astonished that you think donations go to the prisoners' families rather than towards the work of the charity and the ongoing provision of its services.
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Old 28-02-2013, 13:02
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I already said that I feel empathy/sympathy with parents who's offspring have committed a heinous crime, as it was them that brought that person in to the world, & guilt would be a big factor there I would think.
You then followed that imagined scenario with a comment about such people not needing a handout anyway, thereby displaying a lack of understanding for what the Out There charity does, plus an inability to conceive of any genuine requirements for their services that might trigger your empathy button.
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Old 28-02-2013, 13:03
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I was able to become familiar with their family circumstances during that period.
What - with all of the families of all of the prisoners at Holloway?

Keep digging...
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Old 28-02-2013, 13:38
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My 'hump' is the assumption made by obviously fairly well-off people saying that insurance doesn't cost much; well to them it might not be much, but I can assure you that I would struggle to find spare money to pay insurance, & why the hell should I be out of pocket just to protect myself from selfish greedy people who may want to break in to my home & violate me? I don't smoke or use chip pans so run a low risk of fire, & I'm in a first floor flat - so a flood would have to be a bloody bad one to affect me.


Good grief.

You can afford a TV and a roof over your head, ergo facto you can afford insurance. Everybody needs to insure their goods for acts of God if nothing else. What about a storm like in '86 where flats and houses were destroyed? Rare yes, but COULD Happen. It's not just about protecting your property against nasty burglars in stripy jumpers with SWAG bags and masks on. You can get insurance as cheaply as 15 per month. I assume you have a phone, electricity and running water? If you can afford those you CAN afford insurance.

As another poster said, you make assumptions about everybody else but don't like it when the tables are turned.

Not ALL criminals are the same and some of their families do dserve support.
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Old 28-02-2013, 18:42
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Good grief.

You can afford a TV and a roof over your head, ergo facto you can afford insurance. Everybody needs to insure their goods for acts of God if nothing else. What about a storm like in '86 where flats and houses were destroyed? Rare yes, but COULD Happen. It's not just about protecting your property against nasty burglars in stripy jumpers with SWAG bags and masks on. You can get insurance as cheaply as 15 per month. I assume you have a phone, electricity and running water? If you can afford those you CAN afford insurance.

As another poster said, you make assumptions about everybody else but don't like it when the tables are turned.

Not ALL criminals are the same and some of their families do dserve support.
You make assumptions that I can afford 15 a month (which I cannot, something would have to give), yet castigate me for making assumptions - is this not hypocritical? I live in a rented flat, storm damage would be covered by buildings insurance rather than contents insurance, thus the responsibility of the landlord.
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Old 28-02-2013, 18:54
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I never even said that this charity shouldn't exist or that this actress shouldn't donate to them in private, but rather that this public gesture could well be offensive to viewers who've been victims of crime & so this showed a degree of insensitivity, plus it was naive to think that there would be no controversy.
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Old 28-02-2013, 21:01
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I never even said that this charity shouldn't exist or that this actress shouldn't donate to them in private, but rather that this public gesture could well be offensive to viewers who've been victims of crime & so this showed a degree of insensitivity, plus it was naive to think that there would be no controversy.
First off, why do you think she didn't assume there wouldn't be any controversy? Sounds like another assumption to me.

Secondly, why should we defer to offense being taken by people who aren't bright enough to differentiate between a convicted criminal and the family of that convicted criminal who are left to pick up the pieces after he or she gets themself sent down?

As a charity that has to put up with people like yourself who have to be led around the houses before they finally acknowledge that there are genuine needs for help in these families, it needs all the publicity it can get. It needs people who put their principles above the small minded attitudes they know they're going to come up against.
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Old 28-02-2013, 21:19
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You make assumptions that I can afford 15 a month (which I cannot, something would have to give), yet castigate me for making assumptions - is this not hypocritical? I live in a rented flat, storm damage would be covered by buildings insurance rather than contents insurance, thus the responsibility of the landlord.



Er, not really, no


Also, I assume you have neighbours. Say one of them, or one of their guests, gets drunk and accidentally sets fire to their flat which spreads to your flat. What happens then??

You cannot afford 15 per month and yet you can clearly afford broadband.
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Old 01-03-2013, 00:21
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First off, why do you think she didn't assume there wouldn't be any controversy? Sounds like another assumption to me.

Secondly, why should we defer to offense being taken by people who aren't bright enough to differentiate between a convicted criminal and the family of that convicted criminal who are left to pick up the pieces after he or she gets themself sent down?

As a charity that has to put up with people like yourself who have to be led around the houses before they finally acknowledge that there are genuine needs for help in these families, it needs all the publicity it can get. It needs people who put their principles above the small minded attitudes they know they're going to come up against.
I agree 100%.
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