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Old 23-03-2013, 13:41
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But of course they wouldn't go to prison would they?
Probably not, but they could go through an awful lot of hassle unless, as you suggest, great care was taken to ensure that no such person was never accused in the first place.

Better still, would be if the rip-off merchants marketing vastly overpriced music, movies and software arranged for digital only 'rush release' copies of their wares to be legitimately available for, let's say 25p per MP3 and possibly 75p per movie, and maybe a whole 1 for a program. Obviously, these would be just the main product, no extras, no blu-ray, no printed manual, no case, etc, etc.

There is no financial impediment to doing this, it's only unrelenting greed that stops them. If prices were fair, people would buy rather than go for illegal copies. This theory is already proven beyond any doubt by both the Android Marketplace (now Google Play) and iOS App Store, with something like half a million apps between them, few of which are regularly pirated.
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Old 23-03-2013, 13:54
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Probably not, but they could go through an awful lot of hassle unless, as you suggest, great care was taken to ensure that no such person was never accused in the first place.

Better still, would be if the rip-off merchants marketing vastly overpriced music, movies and software arranged for digital only 'rush release' copies of their wares to be legitimately available for, let's say 25p per MP3 and possibly 75p per movie, and maybe a whole 1 for a program. Obviously, these would be just the main product, no extras, no blu-ray, no printed manual, no case, etc, etc.

There is no financial impediment to doing this, it's only unrelenting greed that stops them. If prices were fair, people would buy rather than go for illegal copies. This theory is already proven beyond any doubt by both the Android Marketplace (now Google Play) and iOS App Store, with something like half a million apps between them, few of which are regularly pirated.
You're right that content providers need to be more progressive in their thinking - that is clearly part of the anti-piracy solution, and whereas physical music has for a while been at the centre of price wars with the big supermarkets and on-line retailers looking to undercut each other on big new releases, that price war hasn't really transferred to the digital market - at least when it comes to stand alone tracks.

I'm less convinced though that more competitive pricing is the whole solution. There is a whole new generation of maybe 13-20 year old's who have grown up with illegal download and file sharing sites. They are used to thinking music is free and getting those attitudes to change will be a huge job - even if content becomes available at much lower prices.
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Old 23-03-2013, 15:23
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They are used to thinking music is free and getting those attitudes to change will be a huge job - even if content becomes available at much lower prices.
Sure, but constantly threatening them - or anyone - with a big stick is always going to be counter-productive. As for the farce of requiring ISPs to block well known download sites, it beggars belief that those who are so rabid to control and contain fail completely to understand that every single time something like Napster is shut down, a dozen more sites will spring up to replace them.

Manufactures cannot ever win by trying to blunderbuss punters. The only way they will survive is to make buying more attractive. As I was saying earlier, this already works for Android and Apple.
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Old 23-03-2013, 20:25
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I hope all such sites get banned, and I wish bad things to happen to people who download illegally.
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Old 23-03-2013, 20:38
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I hope all such sites get banned, and I wish bad things to happen to people who download illegally.
These sites getting banned doesn't do anything in the slightest two minutes later everyone is back on them, I think there are far worse sites which should be banned I hate to think how far the web really goes.
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Old 23-03-2013, 21:33
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It wouldn't be a major problem - there would be no need to rewrite entire acts, tabling an amendment to existing legislation would be sufficient and happens all the time as laws evolve to keep up with and reflect changes in technology. It almost certainly will happen at some point too as relating theft purely to the removal of physical property is an outdated definition.

Can't come soon enough for me!
The law is not as simple as you think, if it was why has it not been done by now, theft is not just removal of physical property, joy riders do not get charged with theft, they get charaged with taking without owners consent. because they have only borrowed it so it is not theft
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Old 23-03-2013, 22:04
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Only problem with that is, that joy riders often torch the cars they take without consent, so if it's borrowing, then what the
owners would get back is a burnt out wreck. The fact still remains, theft is permanently depriving an individual, a group
of people, a company or organisation of an item (or items) of property. Some ignorant fools choose to deny that fact.

It was reported recently (not for the first time) that online music piracy doesn't actually harm the sales of recorded music.
Anyone that says otherwise is either stupid or ignorant, or both. In the case of the BPI and the RIAA ... definitely both!
The pigopolists are dumb if they think they can stop it by forcing the courts to censor the internet. They never learn.
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Old 23-03-2013, 22:19
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If a bloke in a car pulls up and I can hear his speakers through the open window *thud thud thud*, should I be paying royalties for the crap he's listening to?
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Old 23-03-2013, 22:19
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Only problem with that is, that joy riders often torch the cars they take without consent, so if it's borrowing, then what the
owners would get back is a burnt out wreck. The fact still remains, theft is permanently depriving an individual, a group
of people, a company or organisation of an item (or items) of property. Some ignorant fools choose to deny that fact.

It was reported recently (not for the first time) that online music piracy doesn't actually harm the sales of recorded music.
Anyone that says otherwise is either stupid or ignorant, or both. In the case of the BPI and the RIAA ... definitely both!
The pigopolists are dumb if they think they can stop it by forcing the courts to censor the internet. They never learn.
Yes you are right if they burn the car they are charged with theft . but if they just dump it not theft. Why they keep going to the courts to ban sites is just a waste of time, but i supose they have to be seen doing something. Untill all countrys come togeather the internet in alot of ways is un policeable
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Old 23-03-2013, 22:25
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Untill all countrys come togeather the internet in alot of ways is un policeable
The internet is just a load of 0's and 1's. The only way to police/stop the internet is to ban the figures 0 and 1. All people are doing is thieving/borrowing/using/sharing the numbers 0 and 1.

I suppose!
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Old 23-03-2013, 23:41
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When will governments realise that the internet cannot be policed, If they are that serious about it - go after the paedophile sites. That would a much better way of doing something positive, Do I care if the likes if Elton John, Paul McCartney, Plan B, Oasis or film studios losing money. No - not a jot. I do care about innocent young children being victimised though.
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Old 24-03-2013, 03:52
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The phrase "p*ssing in the wind" always springs to mind when they do something like this.
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Old 24-03-2013, 10:42
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When will governments realise that the internet cannot be policed, If they are that serious about it - go after the paedophile sites. That would a much better way of doing something positive, Do I care if the likes if Elton John, Paul McCartney, Plan B, Oasis or film studios losing money. No - not a jot. I do care about innocent young children being victimised though.
The point I was making exactly.
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Old 24-03-2013, 12:44
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Blocked here on BT as well.
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Old 24-03-2013, 17:08
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Blocked here on BT as well.
No worries See posts 23 and 34
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Old 24-03-2013, 19:36
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I hope all such sites get banned, and I wish bad things to happen to people who download illegally.
Probably the most ridiculous, immature post, I have ever had the displeasure of reading on the entire DS site.
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Old 24-03-2013, 20:19
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Probably the most ridiculous, immature post, I have ever had the displeasure of reading on the entire DS site.
I've seen worse on here. Best not to feed the trolls.
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Old 24-03-2013, 23:40
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The thing is in law its not Theft and you would have to rewrite the whole Theft Act, and redine what Theft is, which will never be that easy
Exactly. Some will call it theft no matter what facts get presented to them. I think some take too much notice of what these scaremongering FBI adverts say not long after a DVD starts.
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Old 25-03-2013, 00:05
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Probably not, but they could go through an awful lot of hassle unless, as you suggest, great care was taken to ensure that no such person was never accused in the first place.

Better still, would be if the rip-off merchants marketing vastly overpriced music, movies and software arranged for digital only 'rush release' copies of their wares to be legitimately available for, let's say 25p per MP3 and possibly 75p per movie, and maybe a whole 1 for a program. Obviously, these would be just the main product, no extras, no blu-ray, no printed manual, no case, etc, etc.

There is no financial impediment to doing this, it's only unrelenting greed that stops them. If prices were fair, people would buy rather than go for illegal copies. This theory is already proven beyond any doubt by both the Android Marketplace (now Google Play) and iOS App Store, with something like half a million apps between them, few of which are regularly pirated.
I thought the piracy on Android was rampant (IOS is better but it's still a problem) .

I've seen devs saying their $0.99 Android games had anywhere from an 80% to 99% piracy rate depending on the region.

Even stuff like the indie games "humble bundle" (where the money goes to charity) had a 25% piracy rate..even though you could buy it for 1p.

Plenty will pirate regardless of the fairness of pricing.
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Old 03-04-2013, 00:19
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I hope all such sites get banned, and I wish bad things to happen to people who download illegally.
Why
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Old 03-04-2013, 02:13
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I hope all such sites get banned, and I wish bad things to happen to people who download illegally.
Crikey ..
You need to take stock of what is important in life
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Old 03-04-2013, 07:58
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The discussion over if it's theft or not is pointless. But it is getting something for nothing, and it is ultimately damaging. There's plenty of people which just wouldn't pay anything at all.

If you love good movies and good games and good music, then please pay something for the ones you do love, otherwise they just won't get made.
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Old 03-04-2013, 09:43
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Before DVRS/NVRS 100s of 1000s of people used to break the law every day by recording tv shows onto vhs then maybe a friend or relative would ask to borrow said video. This was all illegal and it's these same people nowadays that like to moan about illegal downloads.
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Old 03-04-2013, 10:56
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People just don't understand what piracy does. No wonder music, movies and TV are crap these days... Only got yourselves to blame when there is none left.
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Old 03-04-2013, 11:13
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People just don't understand what piracy does. No wonder music, movies and TV are crap these days... Only got yourselves to blame when there is none left.
no, we have Simon Cowell to blame for most of the mass produced crap in the charts these days.
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