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Old 21-04-2013, 19:22
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And this could still be the case. Do you know anything about how they were emotionally? No you do not. They may well have lost hope, as it's been said the older brother grew disillusioned so what makes these guys any different to some of the other young Americans who have committed mass murder?
I think the term goes something along the lines of "once in a hole, stop digging". You've been proven wrong, but seem unable to admit it.
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Old 21-04-2013, 19:32
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But again, if it was a wider terror cell, why no claim?
I think that they must have been planning more attacks, either using the two brothers again or someone else.
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Old 21-04-2013, 19:39
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I think that they must have been planning more attacks, either using the two brothers again or someone else.
I think that's the case.

The BBC is reporting that authorities how believe they intended to engage in a campaign of terror bombings, and this wasn't to be an isolated attack.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22240327

The FBI had been warned that the man who apparently carried out the first terrorist attack on an American city since 9/11 was a strong supporter of radical Islam.
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Old 21-04-2013, 19:48
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I wonder what people would be saying if Colombine had happened today and Harris and Klebold had succeeded in blowing up the school as planned?

Would people still claim something "doesn't sit right" about that?
Of course they would. It seems the mindsets of CTs is to see every major event as a conspriacy- no exceptions. They're all "suspicous", they all "don't sit right". It seems the governments spend most of their time implementing false flags...
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Old 21-04-2013, 20:15
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Now up on youtube

He clarifies it as 2006 in the second interview, so Tamerlan would have been about 19, Djokhar 13, & he seems to have stayed in relatively regular phone contact up to 2009 when he says he broke off contact with the parents as he disapproved of the way they bringing the kids up, I assume he means the arguing/screaming that went on, although he doesn't elaborate on that. He says that he also had a conversation with Tamerlan in 2009, and he stated in response to Ruslan's question about what he was doing for work, Tamerlan responded :

"In god's will, Inshallah"

"I will be doing what he wants"

He recognised this & other parts of the conversation were the same type of language used by people that:

"put entire caucasuses into war", "Chechnya was burning almost for 10 years....just because of people like that"

He persisted in saying Tamerlan needed to study or work, but he responded that the uncle was "confused" and "an infidel".

He says the father lost control over the family some time before 2009. He contacted a mutual friend in the area, who told him Tamerlan had been brainwashed by an Armenian convert to Islam, and had no longer showed respect for his own father. Uncle states those who now preach jihad, such as this convert,

"don't understand what jihad is... I wish these people knew what they were talking about"

"Just go and find the truth, it's a way to morality, a way to be a good person"

questioner "did that suggest radicalization to you at the time?"

Ruslan: "it suggests that is when it started..it started right there in Cambridge in 2009"

"The seed was planted there, he didn't bring it from Dagestan...using Chechnya is irrelevent at all..they have nothing to do with Chechnya..they never lived in Chechnya
"

"Their mother is Dagestani, and they more lean towards mother, which somehow offended us...we were the ones who more more cared about them, supported them
"

interviewer "what kind of influence do you think Tamerlan had on Dzhokhar?"

Ruslan: "big time influence..the influence of looking up for older brother...even in conversation with Tamerlan he tried to be so persuasive with me..he knows me...he knows how harsh I am..how strict I am...and this kid who was just looking up at me...I was his hero...he was one of my favourite...I had all hopes in him...I just wanted him to be older brother to my children..."

"so all of a sudden he started lecturing me..when I was even asking Tamerlan, wait, be reasonable...but he said...

"the life is wrong" this is wrong"


interviewer "do you have any knowledge that Tamerlan was espousing his views towards Dzhokhar?"

Ruslan: "Indeed, yes, I assumed that..because mother also at the same time, the mother change her attire, only attire, not her behaviour, she just ...hijab on herself...she had not done it before....some time in 2008...I was shocked to see that..as I knew nothing had changed in her morals..she hasn't become a better person...

"Dzhokhar was just a kid..I hoped since he was in school, he would not be exposed to that..nonsense...I thought it was not serious..they jumped from one to the other..what is the fashion today"

"Dzhokhar has been used by his older brother. He used him as...it's not even as an accomplice..as some kind of instrument"

"I say even if I were among the spectators, he would not stop going there. So the person that brought so much suffering, 200 people, 4 dead, Martin, Krystle, Lingzi Lu, student, young officer who just started his career..all grief he brought"


"he used his younger brother, he wasted his life...he messed up his own..that's why he decided to take lives of innocent people, hurt innocent people.. I believe he is full of evil, he turned to be evil, confused, entirely confused...but there is no any..there were no political views, based on what I know about him"

interviewer: "what would be your message to Dzhokhar now?"

Ruslan: "I would say Dzhokhar, say everything, everything you know, even say what you feel, be honest, lay it out, lay it out all. In time, he will realize what he has done...He has no clue what he was doing"

"we have losses in our family ...but ...I am just questioning myself whether I personally have right to mourn them at this moment"

he ends the interview in tears

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video...uncle-long.cnn
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Old 21-04-2013, 20:19
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I think the term goes something along the lines of "once in a hole, stop digging". You've been proven wrong, but seem unable to admit it.
Proven wrong? This isn't a contest. I really don't mind being proven wrong. I really couldn't care. I put across my opinion and questions and thats it. Some of you take this all too seriously.
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Old 21-04-2013, 20:22
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They had gunpowder
IIRC the only "reliable" comment...I.E. not press speculation only...on gunpowder was from Mike McCaul, a Texas Rep. in Congress and Chair of the House Committee on Homeland Security...but the FBI hadn't yet reported officially on the explosives used in the pressure cooker bombs when he did so...
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Old 21-04-2013, 20:22
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It was mostly the younger brother, and he may not have estimated how good the security cameras were.
seriously, in this day and age.... there are cameras everywhere........ as a young lad, he would know that!
I would understand that if this were the bombing campaign by the IRA back in the 70/80 and 90's........ as the technology was utter rubbish, but with phones nowadays having cameras (decent ones at that) and even the smallest of store cameras will pick up events and people, etc......... and the fact that there was a large number of press photographers as well....... he should have atleast made a concerted effort to hide his face somewhat......

WHY did the Police marksmen shoot him in the throat? surely this would defeat the purpose of gaining valuable information from the suspect.....


Terrorists come in all shapes and sizes, they are not just muslim... Unless you wish to label the IRA as Muslim as well.....
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Old 21-04-2013, 20:34
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[quote=Early Bird;65499519]seriously, in this day and age.... there are cameras everywhere........ as a young lad, he would know that!
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I don't think they are as common in The U.S. as they are here. We are the most spied upon nation in the world.
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Old 21-04-2013, 20:36
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WHY did the Police marksmen shoot him in the throat? surely this would defeat the purpose of gaining valuable information from the suspect.....
I doubt they were deliberately aiming at his throat. Remember he was a moving target with a weapon, they were probably aiming at his head.
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Old 21-04-2013, 20:42
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And even then, I don't think losing the ability to talk can stop him giving information, he can still write and type, surely? If Stephen Hawking can still communicate, he'll be able to as long as he's not brain damaged or stuck in a coma.
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Old 21-04-2013, 20:43
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seriously, in this day and age.... there are cameras everywhere........ as a young lad, he would know that!
I would understand that if this were the bombing campaign by the IRA back in the 70/80 and 90's........ as the technology was utter rubbish, but with phones nowadays having cameras (decent ones at that) and even the smallest of store cameras will pick up events and people, etc......... and the fact that there was a large number of press photographers as well....... he should have atleast made a concerted effort to hide his face somewhat......

WHY did the Police marksmen shoot him in the throat? surely this would defeat the purpose of gaining valuable information from the suspect.....


Terrorists come in all shapes and sizes, they are not just muslim... Unless you wish to label the IRA as Muslim as well.....
He might have assumed there was no camera that would catch all his movements. Some people just are not thinking clearly. Recall that his mother made the same judgment error when allegedly shoplifting. She would know there was security. He might have thought he had more time til they spotted him.

Are you sure the marksman hit him in the throat? Rumor that he tried to off himself, also.

Hospitals have boards with letters on them. If he comes out of sedation he can use it. Even yes no questions would help.
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Old 21-04-2013, 20:46
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And even then, I don't think losing the ability to talk can stop him giving information, he can still write and type, surely? If Stephen Hawking can still communicate, he'll be able to as long as he's not brain damaged or stuck in a coma
Well, that's the thing, isn't it???

Shot in the neck...and found "covered in blood"...I wonder if the blood supply to the brain was halted/impaired and for how long...
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Old 21-04-2013, 20:47
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Ex-CIA deputy director: Boston bombing ‘more like Columbine than al Qaeda’
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/2...than-al-qaeda/
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Old 21-04-2013, 20:48
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And even then, I don't think losing the ability to talk can stop him giving information, he can still write and type, surely? If Stephen Hawking can still communicate, he'll be able to as long as he's not brain damaged or stuck in a coma.
It may well be that the loss of blood over 24 hours (in addition to the neck wound) could contribute to impaired brain function
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Old 21-04-2013, 20:50
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I thought he shot himself in a failed suicide attempt? Not a police strike?
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Old 21-04-2013, 20:52
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WHY did the Police marksmen shoot him in the throat?.
Given the number of rounds fired into the boat (and the car in the earlier incident) I doubt if they were aiming anywhere in particular.
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Old 21-04-2013, 20:53
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I thought he shot himself in a failed suicide attempt? Not a police strike?
Media speculation
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Old 21-04-2013, 20:55
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Ex-CIA deputy director: Boston bombing ‘more like Columbine than al Qaeda’
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/2...than-al-qaeda/
Al Qaeda were discounted from a very early stage. Although the older brother had links with radical Islamist groups in the Caucasus, the general consensus seems to be that they had planned this Jihadist inspired operation off their own backs, with possible outside assistance.
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Old 21-04-2013, 20:59
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Al Qaeda were discounted from a very early stage. Although the older brother had links with radical Islamist groups in the Caucasus, the general consensus seems to be that they had planned this Jihadist inspired operation off their own backs, with possible outside assistance.
If it's more Columbine then it wouldn't be Jihadist. And as far as can be determined the "outside assistance" was an internet connection.
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Old 21-04-2013, 21:02
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If it's more Columbine then it wouldn't be Jihadist. And as far as can be determined the "outside assistance" was an internet connection.
He was talking from a legal perspective. Nobody seriously doubts that this wasn't a Jihadist inspired attack, apart from perhaps yourself. He says "Two kids who radicalized between themselves in a closed circle go out and commit murder. I would charge these guys as murders". That is why he was referring to Columbine.
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Old 21-04-2013, 21:03
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If it's more Columbine then it wouldn't be Jihadist. And as far as can be determined the "outside assistance" was an internet connection.
The point of the article was they might have latched on to ' the ideology.'

That would be using the religion to rationalize their acts.
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Old 21-04-2013, 21:05
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Bombing suspect disrupted Cambridge mosque
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/201...campaign=sm_tw

Sadly the Boston Globe is reverting to subscription-only tomorrow.
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Old 21-04-2013, 21:08
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Mayor's press conference live
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Old 21-04-2013, 21:17
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Showing your ignorance there. Timothy McVeigh didn't 'work alone' One of his accomplices was convicted, and there is plenty of evidence to suggest that there were others.
The fate of Terry Nichols is interesting, since people seem to suggest that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev will "definately" be sentenced to death in a federal trial.

After a federal trial in 1997, Nichols was convicted of conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction and eight counts of involuntary manslaughter for killing federal law enforcement personnel. He was sentenced to life imprisonment without the possibility of parole because the jury deadlocked on the death penalty.
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