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Old 25-04-2013, 13:40
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I agree about the term she used being wrong .. Goes back to our very heated discussion about "dribblers" it's not a term I've heard before and when it was explained what it means I did say she was out of order saying it... Doesn't give others the right to abuse her son though does it
OT ...To ensure I have the term "mollie " correct could someone PM it's meaning to me


http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/ap...entity.fashion

What is a molly?


"Molly has many meanings in the UK. In the north-east it is used to insult those who were once called "square". In south London I have heard it join a litany of other words used to abuse and intimidate gay men."

"However, Jordan was right when she claimed that her use of the word was specific to Brighton"

"The girls who called other girls mollies were the cool kids. The mollies always wore tweedy old knickers and your great-granny's stuff." The root of the word is, apparently, "mollycoddled".



But, my favourite quote I think is:-

" We should be thankful to Jordan (who I have interviewed twice) for keeping ancient east Sussex dialect alive. Her other favourite word is "doughnut", which, in the context she uses it, refers to anyone more stupid than her. Thus, when she is not accompanied by Peter Andre, it is almost never employed."
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Old 25-04-2013, 13:43
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Thank you..I thought it was something extremely abusive about disabled people ..

So a person who is a "mollie" is someone who dresses old fashioned?
Or where I come from "antwacky"
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Old 25-04-2013, 14:07
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So you believe she shouldn't be allowed a voice because of who she is?
I do believe that she should stop dragging everything into the media. It's doing that which makes idiots like this troll think it's OK to slag her kids off. Given that trolls will slag off even the most inoffensive celebs, KP is bound to be a prime target, given her constant witterings to the media and the nasty comments she sometimes makes about others.
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Old 25-04-2013, 14:12
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One look at the tosser who insulted her son tells you all you need to know

Braindead bellend.
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Old 25-04-2013, 14:13
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I do believe that she should stop dragging everything into the media. It's doing that which makes idiots like this troll think it's OK to slag her kids off. Given that trolls will slag off even the most inoffensive celebs, KP is bound to be a prime target, given her constant witterings to the media and the nasty comments she sometimes makes about others.
Slag her off by twitter if that's what floats their boat..but her children... Never..
As you say she is a target but that does not and will never justify abusing her children in any way shape or form..anyone who thinks they are fair game is sick
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Old 25-04-2013, 14:16
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Whether people like Jordan or not, her kids should be off-limits

And she's completely justified in responding to such callousness. For anyone to suggest she is seeking publicity by defending her child is the height of idiocy.
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Old 25-04-2013, 14:21
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Slag her off by twitter if that's what floats their boat..but her children... Never..
As you say she is a target but that does not and will never justify abusing her children in any way shape or form..anyone who thinks they are fair game is sick
Unfortunately, trolls aren't exactly the most intelligent, articulate or sensible people, as their actions and comments prove time and time again. They're nasty people who will use any excuse to verbally abuse someone. They see KP as a target because of who she is and how she behaves. Unfortunately, this has ended up with her son being unfairly targeted by these morons.
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Old 25-04-2013, 14:24
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Whether people like Jordan or not, her kids should be off-limits

And she's completely justified in responding to such callousness. For anyone to suggest she is seeking publicity by defending her child is the height of idiocy.
QFT.
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Old 25-04-2013, 14:29
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I agree with your post.. It saddens me that people feel they can justify the abuse aimed at Harvey because his mum has said things that have upset others... he shouldn't be made to pay for his mothers actions.. As my children shouldn't be for mine
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Old 25-04-2013, 14:29
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I do believe that she should stop dragging everything into the media. It's doing that which makes idiots like this troll think it's OK to slag her kids off. Given that trolls will slag off even the most inoffensive celebs, KP is bound to be a prime target, given her constant witterings to the media and the nasty comments she sometimes makes about others.
QFT.

To be honest, I don't care about the semantics, dialect meanings or whatever of the 'molly' remark, it was still hurtful and unecessary. This twit shouldn't have said what he did and he's quite rightly apologised.

Where has KP apologised for anything hurtful she's done or said, ever?
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Old 25-04-2013, 14:37
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QFT.

To be honest, I don't care about the semantics, dialect meanings or whatever of the 'molly' remark, it was hurtful and unecessary. This twit shouldn't have said what he did and he's quite rightly apologised.

Where has KP apologised for anything hurtful she's done or said, ever?
Saying someone dressed old fashioned is not in the same league as calling a disabled child a vegetable

Example :Katie apologised to Kelly Brooke for her remarks ..
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Old 25-04-2013, 14:42
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It was still hurtful, and more or less suggesting that she can afford better stuff for Harvey than most people. i.e - flaunting her wealth.
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Old 25-04-2013, 14:50
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It was still hurtful, and more or less suggesting that she can afford better stuff for Harvey than most people. i.e - flaunting her wealth.
It wasn't about better stuff or wealth. You can dress a child fashionably on a budget. But some people dress their children like pensioners.
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Old 25-04-2013, 14:53
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It wasn't about better stuff or wealth. You can dress a child fashionably on a budget. But some people dress their children like pensioners.
Yes, I know, you can get gorgeous baby and kids clothes for under a tenner from Asda and Tesco, but that's not the point.

She was having a dig - just my opinion of course.
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Old 25-04-2013, 14:56
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Yes, I know, you can get gorgeous baby and kids clothes for under a tenner from Asda and Tesco, but that's not the point.

She was having a dig - just my opinion of course.
In my opinion she wasn't having a dig. She was pointing out just because a child is different doesn't mean you have to highlight it further by dressing them in a fashion that would single them out.
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Old 25-04-2013, 15:04
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In my opinion she wasn't having a dig. She was pointing out just because a child is different doesn't mean you have to highlight it further by dressing them in a fashion that would single them out.
How many people do you know who dress their children - disabled or not - in a way that singles them out?

Personally, I don't know any and as for dressing them like pensioners - and I think a parent would have to be a bit odd or eccentric to do so. My sister bought my grandson a tiny flat cap, but that's a bit of a family joke as my late father used to wear one. Is that wrong?

When I went to school back in the 60's there were many children who were poor and dressed scruffily, but that was then - we've moved on now, and very few kids go around poorly dressed, so there was really no call for her remark at all.
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Old 25-04-2013, 15:12
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How many people do you know who dress their children - disabled or not - in a way that singles them out?

Personally, I don't know any and as for dressing them like pensioners - and I think a parent would have to be a bit odd or eccentric to do so. My sister bought my grandson a tiny flat cap, but that's a bit of a family joke as my late father used to wear one. Is that wrong?

When I went to school back in the 60's there were many children who were poor and dressed scruffily, but that was then - we've moved on now, and very few kids go around poorly dressed, so there was really no call for her remark at all.
I have seen children with disabilities whose parents dress them so out of their age range its ridiculous. Years ago you could spot a downs syndrome child a mile away. They all had the same haircut boys and girls and they all wore clothes that wouldn't be worn by any child the same age no matter if it was rich or poor.
Even now disabled or not you will find some families who just dress their children old fashioned which makes them stick out like a sore thumb. And that in my opinion is what Katie was trying to say in her cack-handed way
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Old 25-04-2013, 15:17
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I have seen children with disabilities whose parents dress them so out of their age range its ridiculous. Years ago you could spot a downs syndrome child a mile away. They all had the same haircut boys and girls and they all wore clothes that wouldn't be worn by any child the same age no matter if it was rich or poor.
Even now disabled or not you will find some families who just dress their children old fashioned which makes them stick out like a sore thumb. And that in my opinion is what Katie was trying to say in her cack-handed way
All I can say is, you must know some odd people!
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Old 25-04-2013, 16:04
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Aw for God's sake! And you people go on about taking things to extremes on the PA thread!

In this instance, and imo any other instance when some pondlife moron makes a derogatory remark about a person with a disability, then they deserve to be publicly and thoroughly blasted. As Azura's Star said, KP in this instance is more than entitled to her rage and hurt on Harvey's behalf.

A little objectivity always helps. Not everything is KP cashing in. She does plenty of that and can be roundly criticised for it, but not something like this. Her child, her right to stand up for him and rant against direct attacks made at his expense.
Excuse but who are "you people"?

On the Pa thread it is very simple, there is stuff but said on there as gospel that has never left PAs lips. Here we know KP made the mollie comment and have evidence. Quite a difference. This isn't about extreme, this is about KP taking a horrible comment and seeing the opportunity in publicity.

Edit to add: yes as his mother she will want to defend him but this is why I think Harvey should be kept out the media- he's fair game to eejits like this Mps son. And Harvey should never be fair game. He's not asking to be in the public eye and correct me if I'm wrong he's not in a position to defend himself or say he wishes for privacy. But Harvey has always been his mothers meal ticket. And before anyone calls me and says that's nasty- what does it say about the boys own mother when she sells every aspect of his condition and personal life to the highest bidder? To me you reap what you sow. Harvey does not deserve this horrible criticism. He is a young boy but he should never be paraded like a animal at the cirus. He should have been protected from the word go.
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Old 25-04-2013, 16:05
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I have seen children with disabilities whose parents dress them so out of their age range its ridiculous. Years ago you could spot a downs syndrome child a mile away. They all had the same haircut boys and girls and they all wore clothes that wouldn't be worn by any child the same age no matter if it was rich or poor.
Even now disabled or not you will find some families who just dress their children old fashioned which makes them stick out like a sore thumb. And that in my opinion is what Katie was trying to say in her cack-handed way
I wonder how much experience KP actually has of seeing kids with special needs in 'old fashioned' clothes? Remember, this is a rich woman who probably thinks that clothes which are two years old are 'old fashioned'. She's also wealthy enough to regularly replenish her kids' wardrobe with the latest designer gear. Many parents don't have much extra money to spare, especially when you factor in the other more essential things that a child with special needs would need to have and which cost money. It's easy for KP to forget that, because she never has to worry about the cost of anything.
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Old 25-04-2013, 16:20
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Katie maybe rich as you state ..but not all the parents at the school Harvey attends are or the Vision group they attend
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Old 25-04-2013, 16:22
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A real question ..how do you suggest. Harvey is kept out of the media
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Old 25-04-2013, 16:29
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A real question ..how do you suggest. Harvey is kept out of the media
She stops selling stories on him, particularly private details such as him wearing nappies and hitting his siblings. She doesn't film him or photograph him if he doesn't like it, (and I know he never used to like being photographed) and if she is going to put a ban on her youngest two children in the media to protect them then Harvey should not be exempt. If anything he needs the protection more.

It's really not that difficult to let your son have dignity and some kind of normal childhood without you spilling the details if his private life to the scum/ok/heat *name of mag offering enough cash here*
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Old 25-04-2013, 16:47
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How is calling someone a mollie in any way comparable with calling Harvey Price a vegetable?

One is a thoughtless comment from a shallow. vain boastful woman who probably thinks anything without a designer label is old fashioned.

The other is a discriminatory 'joke' from a nasty little man who sees nothing wrong with abusing a young boy,

KP can rant from any rooftop/redtop she likes in order to condemn such vileness.

Keeping Harvey out of the media would not prevent attacks like this... they happen everyday from social media to supermarkets... the parents in those cases sadly don't have a media voice... if KP's anger at these comments makes one person see the person and not the punch line behind 'jokes' like this then fair play to her.
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Old 25-04-2013, 16:53
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I agree with your post 100%
I do not agree with hiding Harvey away..
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