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Old 01-05-2013, 11:02
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I apologise...the first reports did not mention rape at all
I apologise also, I didn't realise that
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Old 01-05-2013, 11:25
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So am I.

Not that there is any reason to think that the allegations are not true, but there does seem that celebs/famous people are fair game as opposed to the 'office gropers' etc, who are not famous enough to merit headlines
That's the point though, we wouldn't necessarily know if those people had been arrested or questioned because it wouldn't be reported. That doesn't necessarily mean it isn't happening.
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Old 01-05-2013, 12:05
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-22366981

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/ma...ll-roache-rape
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Old 01-05-2013, 12:31
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It is all beginning to smack of Mc Carthyism and threatens to undermine some of the much more insidious abuse that has prevailed against vulnerable people.
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Old 01-05-2013, 13:01
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So, Bill Roach gets into trouble for`rape comments` and weeks later is arrested on suspicion of`hisorical`rape? Hmm...
His comments against rape victims were so full of bile & over the top I said at the time perhaps he was feeling the heat himself now one of his long time colleagues was on trial.

It is all beginning to smack of Mc Carthyism and threatens to undermine some of the much more insidious abuse that has prevailed against vulnerable people.
Complete nonsense, it is highly likely there was corruption which allowed celebrities to be protected or simply police acting in a completely unhelpful way to victims. The Savile case has made people realise they don't have to keep quiet about abusive behaviour anymore.
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Old 01-05-2013, 13:08
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Complete nonsense, it is highly likely there was corruption which allowed celebrities to be protected or simply police acting in a completely unhelpful way to victims. The Savile case has made people realise they don't have to keep quiet about abusive behaviour anymore.
Yes but again it's a celebrity. Where are the politicians and other high profile people. It must have happened, the chances of their being that many celebritys who were the only ones who abused their position for me is very unlikely.

people higher up the food chain are being protected and the Celebs are the easiest fodder to throw to the lions. Say a accused celeb names one now. A lot of people would say "making it up to save himself".
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Old 01-05-2013, 13:55
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Yeah, I mean, I'm genuinely all for people being made to account for their past actions, but too many of these claims seem to be very, very old and involve people about whom there hasn't been a whiff of scandal. How do you defend youself against the allegation that you sexually assaulted someone in 1967!?
None of these cases have gone to court yet so we will have to wait to see what evidence there is and what the defence is and, of course, what the juries make of it. Should be interesting to say the least...
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Old 01-05-2013, 15:41
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I apologise...the first reports did not mention rape at all
With a 15-year-old girl it would be statutory rape. This does not necessarily mean "forced intercourse". It could be what any normal person would call consensual sex.

The media love to wave these phrases around as it makes things sound worse.
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Old 01-05-2013, 15:58
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With a 15-year-old girl it would be statutory rape. This does not necessarily mean "forced intercourse". It could be what any normal person would call consensual sex.

The media love to wave these phrases around as it makes things sound worse.
You actually have no idea if it was statutory rape or forced rape at all. That hasn't been made public.
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Old 01-05-2013, 16:02
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You actually have no idea if it was statutory rape or forced rape at all. That hasn't been made public.
Doh - that's the point I'm making. It can be called "rape" and might just be what any normal person would call consensual sex.
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Old 01-05-2013, 16:03
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Doh - that's the point I'm making. It can be called "rape" and might just be what any normal person would call consensual sex.
D'oh. And you're saying that he might be innocent, and I'm saying he might not be. That's what 'normal' people say.
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Old 01-05-2013, 16:05
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With a 15-year-old girl it would be statutory rape. This does not necessarily mean "forced intercourse". It could be what any normal person would call consensual sex.

The media love to wave these phrases around as it makes things sound worse.
The police wouldn't have described the allegation as rape if they meant consensual sex with a 15 year old. "Statutory rape" doesn't exist as a charge in England.
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Old 01-05-2013, 16:13
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The police wouldn't have described the allegation as rape if they meant consensual sex with a 15 year old. "Statutory rape" doesn't exist as a charge in England.
I had no idea on that, to be honest. And now I wish that rep existed on DS.
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Old 01-05-2013, 17:28
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The way things are going...

New show for TV, presented by Ant and Dec

I'm an innocent celebrity, get me out of jail
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Old 01-05-2013, 18:22
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The way things are going...

New show for TV, presented by Ant and Dec

I'm an innocent celebrity, get me out of jail
That's so unfunny that it's painful. A teen got raped by a famous 30-something? How funny is that!
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Old 01-05-2013, 18:41
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That's so unfunny that it's painful. A teen got raped by a famous 30-something? How funny is that!
Allegedly, whilst victims should not be dismissed the accused are innocent until proven guilty.
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Old 01-05-2013, 18:41
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That's the point though, we wouldn't necessarily know if those people had been arrested or questioned because it wouldn't be reported. That doesn't necessarily mean it isn't happening.
Then the number of arrests for the particular operation would go up but I don't believe that's the case. Unless non-celebs are being rounded up under a different titled operation.
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Old 01-05-2013, 18:58
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The police wouldn't have described the allegation as rape if they meant consensual sex with a 15 year old. "Statutory rape" doesn't exist as a charge in England.
They've been watching to many USA programs
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Old 01-05-2013, 19:53
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But the allegations aren't of groping - they're of rape of a fifteen year old girl. When he himself would've been 35. One might almost think that this sheds some light on his ridiculous comments of forgiving paedophiles, and victims bringing it upon themselves.
Very much agreed. This is one arrest that makes me think they might actually be barking up the right tree for once. I say that as someone who is usually really distrusting of Operation Yewtree and anything to do with it.
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Old 01-05-2013, 20:16
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His comments against rape victims were so full of bile & over the top I said at the time perhaps he was feeling the heat himself now one of his long time colleagues was on trial.


Complete nonsense, it is highly likely there was corruption which allowed celebrities to be protected or simply police acting in a completely unhelpful way to victims. The Savile case has made people realise they don't have to keep quiet about abusive behaviour anymore.
No it is not complete nonsense, the poster you quoted raises a valid concern. We can't comment on the specifics of individual cases but I can understand why alarm bells are clanging in many quarters over allegations about incidents that are said to have happened 40 years ago. What level of evidence is needed in order for these people to be arrested? Arrest isn't the same as conviction but the consequences of arrest, for the suspect and their families, are severe nonetheless. What controls are in place, what safeguards? Possibly it might not be Macarthyism at all, but I can understand why some are starting to draw those kind of parallels.
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Old 01-05-2013, 20:20
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Just saw this tweet

Corrie Actor Bill Roache Charged With Rape http://news.sky.com/story/1085727/co...rged-with-rape
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/statuses/329676019076304896

seems he's been charged with 2 counts of raping a 15 year old (presumably the same person?).
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Old 01-05-2013, 20:30
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Bill Roache has been charged with 2 counts of raping a 15 year old.

Source:- http://news.sky.com/story/1085727/co...rged-with-rape

I take it thats news in that he's been charged? though I'd heard about him being arrested this morning...
Blimey that was quick they're not hanging about now are they!
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Old 01-05-2013, 20:32
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Arrested this morning, questioned all day and now charged.
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Old 01-05-2013, 20:32
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Blimey that was quick they're not hanging about now are they!
Apparently its been in the pipeline for a couple of months. I just saw this too:-

Bill Roache will appear in court on May 14. CPS say been advising Lancs Polce on this since March 1. CPS say he has right to fair trail.
https://twitter.com/lucymanning/stat...78850709667840

Can't help but question the chance of a fair trial. I noticed today that again the police don't seem to name the person being arrested but the media do.
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Old 01-05-2013, 20:51
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The media being allowed to name people before any convictions does need to stop. I have never supported it and never will.
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