Digital Spy

Search Digital Spy
 

DS Forums

 
 

Stuart Hall admits 14 sexual assaults...


Reply
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 02-05-2013, 12:06
Aidan11
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 336
This is frightening. It seems like all those programmes I enjoyed as a youngster back in the 70s were full of nonces and perverts. Hopefully it is just a small minority but you can't help feeling when you see someone on TV now aged around 70+ you wonder if they were at it as well.
Aidan11 is offline   Reply With Quote
Please sign in or register to remove this advertisement.
Old 02-05-2013, 12:07
stargazer61
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Dirty thirty and proud!
Posts: 45,354
Are you saying these sort of abuses where not reported or prosecuted in those days? None at all?
Of couse not! But.. many people dealt with things then considered to be more 'minor' things themselves directly and did not go to the police.
stargazer61 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2013, 12:07
jiroos
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 2,165
perhaps because some of the parents did not believe their children? Or because they spoke to Mr Hall and felt that that was sufficient. Or they felt it was a 'one-off incident, not realising that it had happened to other children, and that they had dealt with it sufficiently. Or they thought it was not serious enough to take to the police? Or they felt that the trauma of their child having to make a police statement woulld have made things worse? or they did report it, and no action was taken as it was not, at the time, considered serious enough to warrant further action?
Maybe the parents listened to the pleas of their children as they begged them not to tell anyone. Doing something (even the wrong thing) in the name of loving your child...is that such a bad thing?
jiroos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2013, 12:08
gulliverfoyle
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 4,121
it was obvious as he was charged almost immediately

so i would say the rozzers found stuff on his computer?

unlike DLT Max Jim davison etc who've been bailed for months on end
gulliverfoyle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2013, 12:09
Eurostar
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Dublin
Posts: 41,582
I would think the "blind panic" would be dependent upon their guilt, don't you?

Unless you're suggesting that an innocent party could (should?) be convicted based on similar evidence?
Of course and we have no idea at the moment which celebs may or may not be guilty of anything.

But any of them who were up to no good have every reason to be fearful.
Eurostar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2013, 12:10
Eurostar
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Dublin
Posts: 41,582
it was obvious as he was charged almost immediately

so i would say the rozzers found stuff on his computer?

unlike DLT Max Jim davison etc who've been bailed for months on end
Don't think so as they would surely charge have charged him with pornography offences.
Eurostar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2013, 12:10
jiroos
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 2,165
it was obvious as he was charged almost immediately
That spells bad news for old Bill Roache then...
jiroos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2013, 12:11
End-Em-All
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 19,622
These people got away with their crimes for so long because many people including parents and assorted acquaintances failed to take the appropriate action. In some cases, it was the police who failed to take action. Think about the victims who reported the abuses at the time who were dismissed and now only getting justice several decades later.
End-Em-All is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2013, 12:12
End-Em-All
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 19,622
Of couse not! But.. many people dealt with things then considered to be more 'minor' things themselves directly and did not go to the police.
And still do to this day!
End-Em-All is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2013, 12:13
stargazer61
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Dirty thirty and proud!
Posts: 45,354
And still do to this day!
Of course.
stargazer61 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2013, 12:13
jjne
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 5,144
Of course and we have no idea at the moment which celebs may or may not be guilty of anything.

But any of them who were up to no good have every reason to be fearful.
Fair enough, and agreed.

That spells bad news for old Bill Roache then...
Being charged as quickly as that suggests that evidence in this case may be readily available, so you may not be far off the mark.
jjne is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2013, 12:15
Hotgossip
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 10,846
Dirty old pervert. He should be stripped of his title immediately.
Hotgossip is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2013, 12:15
alcockell
Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Reading, UK
Posts: 20,260
Well- into the vault or even into the bit-bucket go all the old Jeux Sans Frontieres footage..
alcockell is offline Follow this poster on Twitter   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2013, 12:17
Eurostar
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Dublin
Posts: 41,582
These people got away with their crimes for so long because many people including parents and assorted acquaintances failed to take the appropriate action. In some cases, it was the police who failed to take action. Think about the victims who reported the abuses at the time who were dismissed and now only getting justice several decades later.
In their defence though, there was less understanding about child abuse and how to deal with it. People certainly knew it was very wrong, but when confronted it with, they were perplexed and unsure what to do next, as there was no culture of ringing the police first and reporting it.
Eurostar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2013, 12:19
CarlLewis
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 2,808
Maybe the parents listened to the pleas of their children as they begged them not to tell anyone. Doing something (even the wrong thing) in the name of loving your child...is that such a bad thing?
Indeed.
Even if he had been found guilty at the time, I'm sure the words "she led me on" would have been used.

I can see why parents might want to spare their children from that slur.
CarlLewis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2013, 12:22
End-Em-All
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 19,622
In their defence though, there was less understanding about child abuse and how to deal with it. People certainly knew it was very wrong, but when confronted it with, they were perplexed and unsure what to do next, as there was no culture of ringing the police first and reporting it.
I don't agree as the same thing still happens to this day!
End-Em-All is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2013, 12:22
stargazer61
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Dirty thirty and proud!
Posts: 45,354
These people got away with their crimes for so long because many people including parents and assorted acquaintances failed to take the appropriate action. In some cases, it was the police who failed to take action. Think about the victims who reported the abuses at the time who were dismissed and now only getting justice several decades later.
And many people may have felt that they did take appropriate action AT THE TIME. What may be considered to be appropriate action today may have been viewed very differently 50 years ago.Almost everything was viewed differently......if you misbehaved as a child and were given a clip round the ear by the local bobby, you'd get another one from your dad. Try that today, and both the officer and the parent would end up in court!
stargazer61 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2013, 12:26
End-Em-All
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 19,622
Indeed.
Even if he had been found guilty at the time, I'm sure the words "she led me on" would have been used.

I can see why parents might want to spare their children from that slur.
What about the kids who wanted the crime investigated? Janet Street-Porter recently revealed she reported abuse to her mother who just dismissed her. She looked visibly upset as she retold the story. It would appear some parents are more concerned about the effect on themselves of telling than on their abused kids.
End-Em-All is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2013, 12:26
stargazer61
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Dirty thirty and proud!
Posts: 45,354
Maybe the parents listened to the pleas of their children as they begged them not to tell anyone. Doing something (even the wrong thing) in the name of loving your child...is that such a bad thing?
and maybe some of the parents said 'don't be daft, you must have imagined it'
stargazer61 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2013, 12:27
End-Em-All
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 19,622
And many people may have felt that they did take appropriate action AT THE TIME. What may be considered to be appropriate action today may have been viewed very differently 50 years ago.Almost everything was viewed differently......if you misbehaved as a child and were given a clip round the ear by the local bobby, you'd get another one from your dad. Try that today, and both the officer and the parent would end up in court!
Many, perhaps, but not all! Stop making excuses.
End-Em-All is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2013, 12:32
grahamzxy
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: NW England
Posts: 8,702
Honestly. I only went on the site to see if there was any update on the Bill Roache case...only to be confronted with this "breaking news".

What is this world really coming to??
Sadly there have always been sexual predators - nothing has really changed, the 1960's were a terrible time, children were not (and still are not always) believed - many people got away with heinous crimes, it is not a modern phenomenon. Often the parents are culpable also - lack of parental care or understanding and believe of their children.

That being said Stuart Hall was always a bit 'out there' - he was our local BBC NW newsreader for years.
grahamzxy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2013, 12:34
Eurostar
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Dublin
Posts: 41,582
and maybe some of the parents said 'don't be daft, you must have imagined it'
Even worse, the children were sometimes accused of lying. In the Irish Catholic abuse cases, it was so unthinkable to the parents that a priest could be capable of such things that the only conclusion they come come to was that the child was lying and on occasion they were even beaten as a result.

Clearly those parents were profoundly ignorant people but that's the way much of society was back then.
Eurostar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2013, 12:34
stargazer61
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Dirty thirty and proud!
Posts: 45,354
Many, perhaps, but not all! Stop making excuses.
I am NOT making excuses in any way and quite resent that allegation. I grew up in the sixties and the cultural outlook was very, very different then. There are many reasons why people did not report and still do not report what is considered to be a reportable crime nowadays. There is a huge difference between making excuses and offering a range of valid reasons. It is simply impossible to transpose the way people thought in the past and the way things are viewed today...as others have also pointed out.
stargazer61 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2013, 12:36
End-Em-All
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 19,622
I am NOT making excuses in any way and quite resent that allegation. I grew up in the sixties and the cultural outlook was very, very different then. There are many reasons why people did not report and still do not report what is considered to be a reportable crime nowadays. There is a huge difference between making excuses and offering a range of valid reasons. It is simply impossible to transpose the way people thought in the past and the way things are viewed today...as others have also pointed out.
The problem with your argument is that the SAME thing happens to this very day.
End-Em-All is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2013, 12:38
stargazer61
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Dirty thirty and proud!
Posts: 45,354
Even worse, the children were sometimes accused of lying. In the Irish Catholic abuse cases, it was so unthinkable to the parents that a priest could be capable of such things that the only conclusion they come come to was that the child was lying and on occasion they were even beaten as a result.

Clearly those parents were profoundly ignorant people but that's the way much of society was back then.
and that is the salient point 'it was unthinkable'.

and, and before I get accused of making excuses again, children do lie...they always have done, and they always will do...it is part of growing up. I am not suggesting that any of these children did lie, but, coupled with other factors, many were not believed.
stargazer61 is online now   Reply With Quote
 
Reply



Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

 
Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 20:41.