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Old 07-05-2013, 23:34
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Another entertaining evening's read.
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Old 08-05-2013, 00:36
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Has this been posted yet ... are you confused yet ... anybody got their stories straight yet?

http://twitpic.com/cozzc5
She is a proper enigma!! Low sex drive, her and John at it like rabbits, randy mare, can't get enough of Luke. I wish I knew what the truth really is! But, then, I doubt even she knows now.
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Old 08-05-2013, 02:36
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I suspect that Josie will only admit the truth once she has nothing else left to sell. I am hoping her final headline will read something like. "My life was built on a Loy buy Josie Gibson" Please please please.
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Old 08-05-2013, 02:37
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Excellent stuff! The sub-zeleb soap opera writers are 'avin' a laugh.

1. Happy and reunited
2. Unhappy and reunited
3. Happy and estranged
4. Unhappy and estranged

What will we go for? Ah sod it, we'll do them all at once, they don't notice anyway.
It's like a fire sale
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Old 08-05-2013, 07:26
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See I keep going back to the flower show, and I noticed nyannie saying yesterday they didnt seem much of a couple and would love some more details (come on nyannie)

This was a cruddy thing to do really - to stand there taking their money and presents and accolades

also - Lubex (luke and bex) managed to carry off plenty of joint interviews pretending to be together before they finally came clean and admitted they were fakeasfark

Its not rocket science and why would a couple mad for each other move random folk into their little lovenest and why book long holidays away from each other and why would they travel to and from appearances separately

Its almost as if they were together only when they really had to be for appearances innit
Yup! Money will make people do strange things
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Old 08-05-2013, 07:30
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Good point, but I'd agree with the reason whilst coming to the opposite conclusion. They are bad actors, that is why it was never very convincing.

In my view, Taser Jo has been lying about anything and everything since the first nanosecond she appeared on the screen. And I think JJ was in severe trauma from his father's death and thus was in an extremely emotionally dependent state of mind. Ripe pickings for vultures like Josie with a malevolent, manipulative streak and no hint of shame or boundaries. She homed in on him for two reasons: she could smell money and she could smell blood.
I agree with you. Don't forget John had no support here - all his friends - who were very loyal and who he trusted - were back in Australia. I also remember that John said in an interview that Josie got all or most of the money from the photoshoots. I also understand that he paid for the flat and most of the household expenses.
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Old 08-05-2013, 07:31
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I suspect that Josie will only admit the truth once she has nothing else left to sell. I am hoping her final headline will read something like. "My life was built on a Loy buy Josie Gibson" Please please please.
Think you could be right. I await this story with interest.
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Old 08-05-2013, 08:11
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I wonder if any of you on here heard the phrase beer googles.Its a phrase when you have had too much booze and wake up the next day thinking wtf was I thinking going with that chap/girl.I think in Johns case he had media googles on he wanted the admiration and the limelight and went along with pretence,I think they had a snog but anymore than that no on your farking Nelly.
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Old 08-05-2013, 09:45
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I agree with you. Don't forget John had no support here - all his friends - who were very loyal and who he trusted - were back in Australia. I also remember that John said in an interview that Josie got all or most of the money from the photoshoots. I also understand that he paid for the flat and most of the household expenses.
Agreed.

I think my "harsher" posts about him yesterday related to their time in the house - I do agree that he wanted "fame", but also with our Happy Tree that he was emotionally all over the place due to his recent bereavement - and I think he was "young" for his age too, I dont think he had the streetwise alleycat kudos that Josie did certainly!

That all said - I actually think this whole experience, while making him quite ill and gaunt, maybe ended up a good thing for him - it certainly learned him that fame comes with a price -and that living with an emotional vampire is a VERY high price to pay for it.

Maybe his lifestyle in Aus with his mates and laid back lifestyle now seems a lot more valuable than prostituting your life for a z list category of recognition...............

Josie on the other hand just makes an eejit of herself at every turn, and is now starting to look like something from the House of Wax - I know whose lifestyle I would rather choose between the two of them!
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Old 08-05-2013, 09:53
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Agreed.

I think my "harsher" posts about him yesterday related to their time in the house - I do agree that he wanted "fame", but also with our Happy Tree that he was emotionally all over the place due to his recent bereavement - and I think he was "young" for his age too, I dont think he had the streetwise alleycat kudos that Josie did certainly!

That all said - I actually think this whole experience, while making him quite ill and gaunt, maybe ended up a good thing for him - it certainly learned him that fame comes with a price -and that living with an emotional vampire is a VERY high price to pay for it.

Maybe his lifestyle in Aus with his mates and laid back lifestyle now seems a lot more valuable than prostituting your life for a z list category of recognition...............

Josie on the other hand just makes an eejit of herself at every turn, and is now starting to look like something from the House of Wax - I know whose lifestyle I would rather choose between the two of them!
Good post, I'd say those are my thoughts too Perhaps, as you say, he's learned from the experience, which is a good thing lol
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Old 08-05-2013, 10:07
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Im still fascinated by the difference in opinion that is still being expressed about this fairly unpleasant couple. I say that as a former rabid fan.......

.I have come almost full circle in my view of them as individuals. When i first saw them in the house, i didnt like John at all, couldnt understand why they had chosen an Australian surfer dude (my initial opinion) to take part and just took comfort in my assumption that he would soon be evicted! Josie, i thought pretty and fun but crude and vulgar. It was purely the unlikely pairing and Johns obvious distress when denied her friendship that reeled me in! Unlike a lot of their followers, i didnt fancy John, he was too irritating and spoilt and whiney for that though i admit he was a good looking boy (bit like his idol Beckham, ok till he opens his mouth....)

However, no matter how short the relationship actually lasted outside the house, i still think it was genuine and i have looked at videos again very recently and i still see that. I see a different Josie in the house and my views of why they got together have changed. Its interesting that other people see something entirely different though and that is the point of this rather long winded post! Why do people see such different things and how then can witnesses be relied on in court? If we all put our own perspective on what we see, how can it ever be deemed as accurate and correct?

I know, in some situations people see what they want to see or even what they are being manipulated to see but its interesting how many different opinions there are. Some are very certain in their assessment and analysis of the relationship, others less so. How often does this happen in other situations?


Im currently in the throes of an old obsession with Richard 111 and opinion over him makes the JJJ discussion childs play! With big guns like Shakespeare and Thomas More vilifying him , most people are sure he was guilty of just about every crime they could level at him. However hopefully , the tide is turning and a BBC drama this summer may result in a kinder evaluation of his reputation.

Did i really just compare JJJ to Richard lll??? well, i did say iwas a bit obsessed and anything to get him mentioned anywhere! Lol!
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Old 08-05-2013, 10:22
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OOps i nearly posted in the wrong thread.
I will leave now because i cant with all honesty say that i am a paragon of virtue
that you all seem to be. (or at least think you are.
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Old 08-05-2013, 10:27
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Firstly, apologies for the mahoosive multi-post - just catching up.

This is a court thread and I therefore tried to give some evidence on why I think Johns tweet wasn't exactly true. I'm not saying I'm 100% correct but there is evidence that their relationship was pysical post-August 2010 . You're correct, it is hard to judge someones character when I've not personally met him but from what I seen in the house and from outside the house, I personally believe he has strong morals (especially loyalty), and believe he wouldn't do anything he didn't believe in. If you believe they 'acted' and 'faked' their romance you only have to watch the start of the 'Dont Stop Believing' video where him and Corin were on the bench to realise he's not good at acting. And maybe their relationship did end at Christmas, but thats not the point Im arguing, I'm simply giving my opinion on his tweet.
That's the point though - I thought the acting was always risible. I never bought it for a second. Most people on the main board on here didn't either. His being a poor actor with Corin didn't surprise me at all because he was also a very poor attempt at a besotted boyfriend - given that he seemed physically frightened of rather than attracted to Josie.

Ahhhhh Patsy you always put it so much better than I

I also don't believe he went back to OZ for moralistic reasons either....no he wanted the fame and adulation from his fans as badly as anyone who's been on BB....just not the fans he ended up with and I mean no disrespect to those who like him but I think he was after a slice of the One Direction market but he ended up with the Alan Titmarsh/Loose Women brigade and being the upstanding gent that he is he ran for the hills. Of course he has previous form in this regard having tried to scarper from the BB house on several occasions
Good point, but I'd agree with the reason whilst coming to the opposite conclusion. They are bad actors, that is why it was never very convincing.

In my view, Taser Jo has been lying about anything and everything since the first nanosecond she appeared on the screen. And I think JJ was in severe trauma from his father's death and thus was in an extremely emotionally dependent state of mind. Ripe pickings for vultures like Josie with a malevolent, manipulative streak and no hint of shame or boundaries. She homed in on him for two reasons: she could smell money and she could smell blood.
I dont think john is a bad person, I'm pointing out that he had no problems immediately doing something he was very nasty to someone else about - it wasnt just snapping in temper or making a mistake because it was weeks later when racheal came back in and a person with morals wouldnt have been so damn nasty to her - or boasted about it . Jj2 looked shocked.

I think he thought wheres the harm but once out of the house he went WTF and it was too late

I'm saying its not a criminal offence to fake a relationship but when it was obvious how much emotion and how.........errr......full on it all was he started getting stressed about it well that and sharing your space with a taser weilding sociopath.......

My point is that to embark on it at the beginning he was just like a lot of folk.....not someone of particularly low morals......lbut lets not kid ourselves that his morals were "too high" because his actions tell a different story
Just want to say that I entirely agree with and love all three of the above posts. It's not as simple as his being a poor example of morality - he's a little bit more complicated than that. He gets an out of jail card because he was messed up and vulnerable and ripe for the picking by TaserJo.

I don't think 'normal' would be a word I would use to describe his non-stop rants at some of the women - never at the men! - he was as disingenuous as the rest of them looking for his 15 minutes but couldn't handle it imo. A weak man who bullied women. Not a good morally upstanding person at all but because he looked cute (to a lot of older women) he was deemed a good guy.
I found/find the whole JJ adoration thing baffling...a strange phenomenon.
Wasn't it just baffling? His hypocrisy was breathtaking at times.

I thought the second Racheal incident was interesting.

On the face of it, at that time it was fairly apparent the way the wind was blowing - everyone coming in the house was singing from the 'romance' hymn sheet and bigging up the pair of them. He could strop and refuse to do tasks and leg it through the fire escape and still get an away day to the races with his best mate.

I think he'd been humoured so much he thought he could do and say what he liked without come back - and then he was brought back to earth with a Nathan shaped bump. I'm not sure he ever really recovered from that.
Also completely agree with this - that series of BB was all about the showmance and the producers were completely complicit.

I suspect that Josie will only admit the truth once she has nothing else left to sell. I am hoping her final headline will read something like. "My life was built on a Loy buy Josie Gibson" Please please please.
I wonder if any of you on here heard the phrase beer googles.Its a phrase when you have had too much booze and wake up the next day thinking wtf was I thinking going with that chap/girl.I think in Johns case he had media googles on he wanted the admiration and the limelight and went along with pretence,I think they had a snog but anymore than that no on your farking Nelly.
Nothing to add to these two other than .
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Old 08-05-2013, 10:27
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OOps i nearly posted in the wrong thread.
I will leave now because i cant with all honesty say that i am a paragon of virtue
that you all seem to be. (or at least think you are.
okay then

cheerio for now

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Old 08-05-2013, 10:28
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OOps i nearly posted in the wrong thread.
I will leave now because i cant with all honesty say that i am a paragon of virtue
that you all seem to be. (or at least think you are.
Y'all come back now, ye hear?
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Old 08-05-2013, 10:35
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OOps i nearly posted in the wrong thread.
I will leave now because i cant with all honesty say that i am a paragon of virtue
that you all seem to be. (or at least think you are.

How weird, this thread is in a different section and totally different name to one you normally post in

anyway, Josie really has proven some of us wrong, after all we've said she's always lying, yet by giving us totally opposite stories constantly, she must be telling the truth some of the time
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Old 08-05-2013, 10:35
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OOps i nearly posted in the wrong thread.
I will leave now because i cant with all honesty say that i am a paragon of virtue
that you all seem to be. (or at least think you are.
Well done on 6000 posts!

Shem, when I thought JJJ were the most wonderful things since sliced bread and posted on the AT believing everything that was said and done by them, I thought I was right and everybody else who didn't believe was an absolute idiot, but I never in my life thought I was a paragon of virtue even then lol, and certainly not now.

Even you have tweeted Josie in disappointment recently and about her nasty treatment of Jacky, who has been nothing but supportive of Josie.

Everybody questions things, I guess we just do it a lot
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Old 08-05-2013, 10:51
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How weird, this thread is in a different section and totally different name to one you normally post in

anyway, Josie really has proven some of us wrong, after all we've said she's always lying, yet by giving us totally opposite stories constantly, she must be telling the truth some of the time
Well even a stopped clock is right twice a day

All these folk who cant stand us but are obviously standing with their noses pressed against our windows ......................very flattering



Oh and yes I am a paragon of virtue..........................compared to the horror that is TaserJo
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Old 08-05-2013, 11:16
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Im still fascinated by the difference in opinion that is still being expressed about this fairly unpleasant couple. I say that as a former rabid fan.......

.I have come almost full circle in my view of them as individuals. When i first saw them in the house, i didnt like John at all, couldnt understand why they had chosen an Australian surfer dude (my initial opinion) to take part and just took comfort in my assumption that he would soon be evicted! Josie, i thought pretty and fun but crude and vulgar. It was purely the unlikely pairing and Johns obvious distress when denied her friendship that reeled me in! Unlike a lot of their followers, i didnt fancy John, he was too irritating and spoilt and whiney for that though i admit he was a good looking boy (bit like his idol Beckham, ok till he opens his mouth....)

However, no matter how short the relationship actually lasted outside the house, i still think it was genuine and i have looked at videos again very recently and i still see that. I see a different Josie in the house and my views of why they got together have changed. Its interesting that other people see something entirely different though and that is the point of this rather long winded post! Why do people see such different things and how then can witnesses be relied on in court? If we all put our own perspective on what we see, how can it ever be deemed as accurate and correct?

I know, in some situations people see what they want to see or even what they are being manipulated to see but its interesting how many different opinions there are. Some are very certain in their assessment and analysis of the relationship, others less so. How often does this happen in other situations?


Im currently in the throes of an old obsession with Richard 111 and opinion over him makes the JJJ discussion childs play! With big guns like Shakespeare and Thomas More vilifying him , most people are sure he was guilty of just about every crime they could level at him. However hopefully , the tide is turning and a BBC drama this summer may result in a kinder evaluation of his reputation.

Did i really just compare JJJ to Richard lll??? well, i did say iwas a bit obsessed and anything to get him mentioned anywhere! Lol!
Interesting post!

Well the thing is that even something thats not subjective - folk will see different things - just look at police statements for example - ten people saw the same thing yet will have a different take on it.

In my work I carry out disciplinary hearings and you should SEE the difference in staff's statements on something that happened in a work situation, for example, and they were all involved in the same issue.............sometimes completely opposite views and opinions on who was right or wrong - talk about hard to make a decision on the outcome!

I still stand by my gut feeling - he went into it because of friendship, wanting a bit of fame and the lols, but when he saw what it involved he realised he had made a Faustian deal................too late - he had to act the boyfriend as best he could................contrary to what VeryGullible saw - when I was watching them together on the webcam I saw LOADS of leakage - John saying "you suck Josie" and various things - just didnt give me a boyfriend vibe, but as you say its fascinating that we see different things watching the same show!

Some of Josies muckers used to come on and insult us here by saying the reason we didnt see it was because we were bitter never had love in our lives yadayadayada - but the strange thing was when folk posted their personal circumstances it appeared that a lot were very sensitive and kind hearted ...........................so that opinion was totally wrong!
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Old 08-05-2013, 11:53
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Some of Josies muckers used to come on and insult us here by saying the reason we didnt see it was because we were bitter never had love in our lives yadayadayada - but the strange thing was when folk posted their personal circumstances it appeared that a lot were very sensitive and kind hearted ...........................so that opinion was totally wrong!
Now, apparently, we didn't even watch BB!!!
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Old 08-05-2013, 11:55
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Well done on 6000 posts!

Shem, when I thought JJJ were the most wonderful things since sliced bread and posted on the AT believing everything that was said and done by them, I thought I was right and everybody else who didn't believe was an absolute idiot, but I never in my life thought I was a paragon of virtue even then lol, and certainly not now.

Even you have tweeted Josie in disappointment recently and about her nasty treatment of Jacky, who has been nothing but supportive of Josie.

Everybody questions things, I guess we just do it a lot
Some are better people than those they support
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Old 08-05-2013, 12:01
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Now, apparently, we didn't even watch BB!!!
I think maybe they didnt?
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Old 08-05-2013, 12:02
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I think maybe they didnt?
Or watched through rose tinted specs? LOL
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Old 08-05-2013, 12:18
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Interesting post!

Well the thing is that even something thats not subjective - folk will see different things - just look at police statements for example - ten people saw the same thing yet will have a different take on it.

In my work I carry out disciplinary hearings and you should SEE the difference in staff's statements on something that happened in a work situation, for example, and they were all involved in the same issue.............sometimes completely opposite views and opinions on who was right or wrong - talk about hard to make a decision on the outcome!

I still stand by my gut feeling - he went into it because of friendship, wanting a bit of fame and the lols, but when he saw what it involved he realised he had made a Faustian deal................too late - he had to act the boyfriend as best he could................contrary to what VeryGullible saw - when I was watching them together on the webcam I saw LOADS of leakage - John saying "you suck Josie" and various things - just didnt give me a boyfriend vibe, but as you say its fascinating that we see different things watching the same show!

Some of Josies muckers used to come on and insult us here by saying the reason we didnt see it was because we were bitter never had love in our lives yadayadayada - but the strange thing was when folk posted their personal circumstances it appeared that a lot were very sensitive and kind hearted ...........................so that opinion was totally wrong!
Thanks, Frilly!

It is interesting that you can have the same scenario witnessed by ten people and they will all see a slightly different version. What is especially weird is that people will often quote back but in a completely different meaning.

I do agree that their relationship out of the house didnt seem as natural or comfortable. I also agree that, for John, it was based on emotional need and friendship but i think he convinced himself he that if he felt that deeply, it must be love and in the house, i guess, with no escape (not even through a fire door!!) he felt it was all or nothing and he couldnt survive in there with nothing from her....
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Old 08-05-2013, 12:57
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OOps i nearly posted in the wrong thread.
I will leave now because i cant with all honesty say that i am a paragon of virtue
that you all seem to be. (or at least think you are.
I am a paragon of virtue compared with Josie Gibson and, quite frankly, I'd be worried if I wasn't. She is an absolute horror.
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