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Old 09-05-2013, 00:19
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But - Amanda Berry has a 6yr old daughter. She was held captive 10yrs. If they've only been as far as the back yard in that time, then often chained inside, who's the daddy?

Can only think one of the three brothers has much more to answer.
Umm, yeah.
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Old 09-05-2013, 00:23
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Interesting - Ariel Castro charged with 4 counts kidnapping, 3 counts rape - city prosecutor.
Four counts of kidnapping? Who's the fourth? The daughter who was born into captivity? Can this be counted as a kidnapping?
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Old 09-05-2013, 00:24
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Why only three counts of rape .

If he's / they raped them thousands of times does it only count as one "count " per person ? I'm confused .


Also has anyone seen that old charge sheet on the bloke for repeated beatings of his ex wife , repeated cases of broken ribs , smashed teeth etc . Those poor girls must have suffered dreadfully , I fear .
Well seeing as Michelle has been pregnant 5 times and Castro has punched her repeatedly in the stomach to terminate the pregnancys I can't see just three rape cases being tried.

Yes, I also saw that old charge by his ex wife, I was nattering at the time but the charges seemed to be over a long length of time, she didn't appear at court so they dropped the case. Such a shame because had she found enough courage to take him to court this whole situation might have been avoided.
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Old 09-05-2013, 00:35
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One thing puzzles me - sorry if it's been raised....Amanda Berry has a 6yr old daughter. She was held captive 10yrs. If they've only been as far as the back yard in that time, then often chained inside, who's the daddy?

Can only think one of the three brothers has much more to answer.
Charles Ramsey says that Amanda told him that Ariel is her daughter's father.
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Old 09-05-2013, 00:43
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Four counts of kidnapping? Who's the fourth? The daughter who was born into captivity? Can this be counted as a kidnapping?
Didn't the oldest girl say there'd been another woman who was there when she was first kidnapped, but then was gone one morning when she woke up?
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Old 09-05-2013, 00:44
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I'm surprised that any of them have returned home so quickly. I expected them to be looked after with their families in a secret location to start with, to give them all time to adjust.
I am surprised they are being sent back home so soon they need some time in "decompression" space -I am sure that happened with other girls. To have some quiet time before the furore of publicity and the trivia of everyday life , and to gather themselves together. Maybe their health insurance has expired and the hospital wouldn't keep them
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Old 09-05-2013, 00:50
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Didn't the oldest girl say there'd been another woman who was there when she was first kidnapped, but then was gone one morning when she woke up?
Correct, she said that one day she just disappeared and there was a RIP message written on the cellar wall.
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Old 09-05-2013, 00:56
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Anderson Cooper 360 ‏@AC360 4m
Angel Cordero is also a neighbor turned hero. He and Charles Ramsey helped free Amanda Berry and her daughter. Hear from him at 8pm #AC360

http://www.baqiworld.com/2011/10/watch-cnn-usa-live/
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Old 09-05-2013, 00:59
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I am surprised they are being sent back home so soon they need some time in "decompression" space -I am sure that happened with other girls. To have some quiet time before the furore of publicity and the trivia of everyday life , and to gather themselves together. Maybe their health insurance has expired and the hospital wouldn't keep them
And maybe they just wanted to be with their families after so long apart. They will undoubtedly be receiving long term psychiatric support . As for health insurance expiring etc., for a start they would not have any health insurance at all after all these years, and there is no way that the hospital would throw them out...the furore would be to great..It simply would not happen.

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Old 09-05-2013, 01:03
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So what? You seem to have a bee in your bonnet over him...let him enjoy the moment, surely it's not going to affect your life is it?
I agree with you. Let Charles Ramsey have his moment.
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Old 09-05-2013, 01:56
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So Charleys Ramsey lied about his involvement in the rescue

Angel Cordero told a CNN reporter during an interview that he was the one who heard screaming coming from the house, he was the one who went up to the woman and had kicked the door down. Ramsey later arrived when the women were already out of the house and Amanda was on phone to the police. The woman who lives opposite the house where the women were living called Ramsey a liar, the woman witnessed the whole thing as well as other people have said the same thing

Ramsey didn't do anything at all and he has changed his story twice, it's sad that he's using this kidnapping as way to make himself famous or something and basically lie to the whole world and take credit for something he didn't do

Even Anderson Cooper was shocked after he watched the interview
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Old 09-05-2013, 02:05
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More shocking info coming out on Piers Morgan.
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Old 09-05-2013, 02:11
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More shocking info coming out on Piers Morgan.
Any details you can tell us please?
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Old 09-05-2013, 02:12
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It's breaking news now on Piers Morgan that Angel Cordero was first on the scene and is the real hero

Ramsey's story is a lot different than what's being reported on Piers Morgan

The main part of this whole story is who heard the screaming from Amanda, who went up to her and who got the women out by kicking the door down. Angel Cordero said he did everything and witnesses back up his story
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Old 09-05-2013, 06:06
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Never mind which member of the public helped Amanda get that door panel open.
I am sick of all the law enforcement people patting each other on the backs for "rescuing" the women. The fact is they didn't.
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Old 09-05-2013, 06:09
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Four counts of kidnapping? Who's the fourth? The daughter who was born into captivity? Can this be counted as a kidnapping?
I wondered if it will come out that he also kidnapped Ashley who disappeared from the same area. Please god they find her alive and well too.
But I think the fourth kidnapping charge refers to six year old Jocelyn.
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Old 09-05-2013, 09:24
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I read in the paper this morning that Michelle Knight still hasn't seen any members of her family. I know that she didn't have the best relationship with her family, but this makes me feel really sad. Hopefully she has some kind of support network.
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Old 09-05-2013, 09:29
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Its amazing she found time whilst locked up in the basement to make all those cakes.
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Old 09-05-2013, 09:32
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So Charleys Ramsey lied about his involvement in the rescue

Angel Cordero told a CNN reporter during an interview that he was the one who heard screaming coming from the house, he was the one who went up to the woman and had kicked the door down. Ramsey later arrived when the women were already out of the house and Amanda was on phone to the police. The woman who lives opposite the house where the women were living called Ramsey a liar, the woman witnessed the whole thing as well as other people have said the same thing

Ramsey didn't do anything at all and he has changed his story twice, it's sad that he's using this kidnapping as way to make himself famous or something and basically lie to the whole world and take credit for something he didn't do

Even Anderson Cooper was shocked after he watched the interview
Hey, you're spoiling his moment!

You must have a bee in your bonnet!

It's also sad that FMs on this thread childishly preferred to gush over an entertaining account rather than acknowledge the deficiencies that then became apparent in it
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Old 09-05-2013, 10:19
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I agree with you. Let Charles Ramsey have his moment.
He has already become a Youtube sensation with his new song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZcRU0Op5P4
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Old 09-05-2013, 11:22
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I haven't commented on this so far as I didn't really want to get involved in the usual DS speculate-a-palooza, but reading today that Castro has apparently waived his right to silence and is cooperating fully just keeps making me wonder if he'd reached a point where he just wanted it all to end, and that's why he left the house and that's why he's now cooperating?

obviously I'm not trying to apologise for or excuse anything whatsoever

It just makes me wonder why it ended the way it did I suppose. he was in a situation where he could have probably held them indefinitely so why suddenly make such a mistake now that leads to their escape and his capture unless he wanted it to happen?

Probably a rhetorical question at the end of the day, but felt like posting it anyway..
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Old 09-05-2013, 11:42
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I haven't commented on this so far as I didn't really want to get involved in the usual DS speculate-a-palooza, but reading today that Castro has apparently waived his right to silence and is cooperating fully just keeps making me wonder if he'd reached a point where he just wanted it all to end, and that's why he left the house and that's why he's now cooperating?

obviously I'm not trying to apologise for or excuse anything whatsoever

It just makes me wonder why it ended the way it did I suppose. he was in a situation where he could have probably held them indefinitely so why suddenly make such a mistake now that leads to their escape and his capture unless he wanted it to happen?

Probably a rhetorical question at the end of the day, but felt like posting it anyway..
It probably only ended because someone didnt lock up or tie up hard enough or efficiently enough. It probably ended because someone didnt just walk by on the other side of the street and investigated when they heard screams for help.

I doubt very much whether he wanted it to end. If this was the case he could have just unlocked the door and let them go.
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Old 09-05-2013, 11:46
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It's breaking news now on Piers Morgan that Angel Cordero was first on the scene and is the real hero

Ramsey's story is a lot different than what's being reported on Piers Morgan

The main part of this whole story is who heard the screaming from Amanda, who went up to her and who got the women out by kicking the door down. Angel Cordero said he did everything and witnesses back up his story
More on this:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...lamboyant.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-door-out.html

One thing I didn't quite understand is I could have sworn Ramsey said he could see into Castro's garden from his house, yet he never saw the women ever when they were let out into the garden?
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Old 09-05-2013, 11:49
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More on this:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...lamboyant.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-door-out.html

One thing I didn't quite understand is I could have sworn Ramsey said he could see into Castro's garden from his house, yet he never saw the women ever when they were let out into the garden?
According to the News, they were let out into the garden very infrequently. So unless Ramsey was constantly watching the garden, it's quite likely that he never saw anything.
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Old 09-05-2013, 11:58
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It probably only ended because someone didnt lock up or tie up hard enough or efficiently enough
After ten years ?

While it's clearly not impossible, I just find it hard to believe that after abducting three women and holding them 'successfully' for a decade that he would make such an error.

I doubt very much whether he wanted it to end. If this was the case he could have just unlocked the door and let them go.
Maybe it was his own twisted way of getting redemption or forgiveness for what he has done though?. Simply letting them go means they escape and that's that - maybe in his mind, he needed to be caught?

I don't know. I don't want to go too far down his road though, knowing some of the FM's we have here..
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