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Old 14-05-2013, 02:06
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The glacial pace of the books is being too kind, I think half time Martin's doesn't have a clue so describes the color of peoples boots.

I'm glad the cut down of Catelyn's father dying and it goes on and on the book and never seems to end.

Martin's need a editor who is will to reign him and because there is who chapters which could be edited out and it wouldn't make much difference.

I'm almost finished enduring book 4 and will stop reading the series after that.
Its the authors style. An editor for what exactly? I suppose it would be possible for the series to read like a Lee Child Novel, the job of the editor would be ask him if he read any Reacher then give him a stack of them to improve his writing skills.
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Old 14-05-2013, 02:35
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Its the authors style. An editor for what exactly? I suppose it would be possible for the series to read like a Lee Child Novel, the job of the editor would be ask him if he read any Reacher then give him a stack of them to improve his writing skills.
An editor to cut some of the endless waffle that Martin's fills his pages, maybe he needs to improve his writing skills as he seems to idea how to pace a novel.

It's fine if you like Westeros travel guides which is mostly what appear to be.

I wonder if he takes so long to write a book because he is bored with own work.
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Old 14-05-2013, 10:11
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An editor to cut some of the endless waffle that Martin's fills his pages, maybe he needs to improve his writing skills as he seems to idea how to pace a novel.

It's fine if you like Westeros travel guides which is mostly what appear to be.

I wonder if he takes so long to write a book because he is bored with own work.
Trying to make sense of what you just wrote mate, and I think it's you that needs the editor!
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Old 14-05-2013, 11:34
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The reviewer on westeros.org isn't happy with it http://www.westeros.org/GoT/Episodes...lers/#Analysis

Personally, I don't think that it's overdone, even though last night's show did make what was implicit in the books, quite explicit! That said, I hope that we don't see any more. Most viewers get the picture by now- Theon is being held by a sadist. Time for the big reveal of his identity!
I've no problem with the sex and nudity, but the fact that Theon's storyline has somewhat stalled is a bit of a problem.

We don't need to see Davos or Eddard wasting away every day in a dungeon, and we don't need to see Tyrion getting smacked around by Mord over and over again in his sky cell. They could have done away with the entire escape stuff, kept the emasculation scene and it still would have been suitably brutal.

I think they needed to focus more on Sansa instead. She's one of the primary POV characters in the novels, yet she seems to be going backwards as a character. By this stage in the novels, she is maturing, if very slowly. Her quick acceptance of a match with Willas Tyrell, a cripple, says good things about her. In the TV series, she's still swooning over dreamy Loras. Her friendship with Ser Dontos seems to have been completely forgotten, and instead she's acting the ingenue around Margaery and the Queen of Thorns, blurting out things she knows full well that she should keep secret.
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Old 14-05-2013, 16:25
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It is surely impolite to review an episode prior to showing on UK tv.
Spoilers are OK in the context of the book. Not, surely, in the context of an episode of the tv series not yet shown in the UK. If people are happy that spoilers include "US pace", rhen I shall withdraw from this thread, which is a pity for me as I enjoy the interraction between the series and the books.
It's always been run at US pace, the only difference from this and the US Pace specific thread is that this one contains spoilers from ALL the books not just up to TV show pace.
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Old 14-05-2013, 17:20
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So another change from the book with Talisa being pregnant (probably ).



So unless Talisa is lying about everything and is a Lannister Spy (which means she did tell the truth about that ) then I can see two fates for her.
[LIST][*]She's going to die along with R + C at the RW or[*]She's going to be the shows Fake Arya. Rather than dig up a fake Arya the Boltons marry Talisa to Ramsay claiming they will bring up the baby as Lord of the North. Of course their plan would be to kill of Talisa and the child once they were secure in their power.[/LIST]

Good point about the Blackfish going to the Twins as well, maybe he'll manage to escape and get back to Riverrun or possibly join up with the BwB and their upcoming new leader.
I've read a theory that Jeyne Westerling is in fact pregnant in the books, and that she has been kidnapped away by the Blackfish, who is refusing to break to command Rob gave him to protect his Queen.

It's based on the fact that Jaime sees her as a girl with 'slender' hips, whereas Cat describes them as broad, which has made some think it's her younger sister subbing for her. The fact that her mum made her drink moon tea could be explained by her mum actually trying to get her pregnant originally, but then lying about the moon tea to Jaime later.

I believe that she may well have been stolen away by the Blackfish, but I'm not so sure about her being pregnant.
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Old 14-05-2013, 17:33
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It's always been run at US pace, the only difference from this and the US Pace specific thread is that this one contains spoilers from ALL the books not just up to TV show pace.
OK. It was not obvious that the few who are watching this by whatever means early on a Monday morning are holding sway over the majority watching on a Monday night. As the Monday posts are spoiling it for me watching at UK pace, I shall bow to you and opt out of this otherwise-interesting thread.
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Old 14-05-2013, 17:40
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OK. It was not obvious that the few who are watching this by whatever means early on a Monday morning are holding sway over the majority watching on a Monday night. As the Monday posts are spoiling it for me watching at UK pace, I shall bow to you and opt out of this otherwise-interesting thread.
Or you could just stay away till tuesday....
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Old 14-05-2013, 19:00
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It's always been run at US pace, the only difference from this and the US Pace specific thread is that this one contains spoilers from ALL the books not just up to TV show pace.
Doesn't actually say that in the thread title though, I thought that's why a US pace thread was made. Quite easy for someone to wander into this thread on a Monday and not know.
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Old 14-05-2013, 19:57
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Why can't Sky viewers just avoid the thread until after they've watched it on Monday night?

Surely it would be a safe and obvious assumption for those watching on Sky that it wouldn't be a good idea to come into this thread during the day on a Monday... If this thread has been bumped before 10pm on a Monday, it's going to have US pace posts...
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Old 14-05-2013, 20:06
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Spoilers are OK in the context of the book. Not, surely, in the context of an episode of the tv series not yet shown in the UK. If people are happy that spoilers include "US pace", rhen I shall withdraw from this thread, which is a pity for me as I enjoy the interraction between the series and the books.
It's crazy having two threads for tv without having two threads for the books too. There is 19 hours between airings. I stay out of this thread on Monday, then come in on Tuesday. I don't see that you need to withdraw from the thread because there are 19 hours a week that you should avoid.
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Old 14-05-2013, 21:06
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I've no problem with the sex and nudity, but the fact that Theon's storyline has somewhat stalled is a bit of a problem.

We don't need to see Davos or Eddard wasting away every day in a dungeon, and we don't need to see Tyrion getting smacked around by Mord over and over again in his sky cell. They could have done away with the entire escape stuff, kept the emasculation scene and it still would have been suitably brutal.
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But the transformation of Theon to Reek can't just be one scene of him being whipped. It has to be prolonged physical AND mental torture that breaks him as a person.
Seeing the cocky Prince o fhe Iron Islands suddenly be Reek with only one quick scene would just not work.
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Old 14-05-2013, 21:32
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But the transformation of Theon to Reek can't just be one scene of him being whipped. It has to be prolonged physical AND mental torture that breaks him as a person.
Seeing the cocky Prince o fhe Iron Islands suddenly be Reek with only one quick scene would just not work.
But unless they mess around with the chronology Reek's actual story line (ie getting out of the dungeon) probably won't kick off till Season 5 at the earliest.


Are we going to get another 7 or 8 Theon torture scenes next season to add to all the ones this season?


I agree Theon's transformation to Reek needs more than a single scene but a couple this season plus 3 or so next season would surely have been enough.
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Old 14-05-2013, 21:38
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OK. It was not obvious that the few who are watching this by whatever means early on a Monday morning are holding sway over the majority watching on a Monday night. As the Monday posts are spoiling it for me watching at UK pace, I shall bow to you and opt out of this otherwise-interesting thread.
Doesn't actually say that in the thread title though, I thought that's why a US pace thread was made. Quite easy for someone to wander into this thread on a Monday and not know.
The US Pace thread was made for those who are watching US pace but who may not have read the books. This thread is for people who have read all the books and therefore are aware of plot lines and story arcs which may not have yet been shown on screen.
If someone's watching at UK Pace but has read all the books then it's unlikely they're going to be finding any spoilers in this thread.
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Old 14-05-2013, 22:28
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This week's episode seemed to be toying with the non readers a little more than the rest. There were two scenes pointing to Dany's invasion of Westeros.
Joffery's great scene with Tywin mentioning Dany and her Dragons.
And Dany talking about her plans to take the Iron Throne.

Poor non readers...
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Old 14-05-2013, 22:51
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This week's episode seemed to be toying with the non readers a little more than the rest. There were two scenes pointing to Dany's invasion of Westeros.
Joffery's great scene with Tywin mentioning Dany and her Dragons.
And Dany talking about her plans to take the Iron Throne.

Poor non readers...
Aye, you really have to feel for them when they get all excited about Dany's Unsullied and her impending return to Westeros.
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Old 14-05-2013, 23:59
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Aye, you really have to feel for them when they get all excited about Dany's Unsullied and her impending return to Westeros.
I increasingly suspect we should feel for all concerned cos it looks to me as if Martin lost the plot (literally) round about now - if not slightly earlier.

Then again this may be a lack of faith on my part and the story may manage to find its way back to the mixture of wit, irony, blood and sex that was so successful when it started out.

But from all the hints and rumours it sounds as if the gothic elements are just going to become more and more overwhelming. Doubtless there is a market for that - and good luck to those who enjoy it but it's getting a bit one-dimensional for my taste.

Oops - wrong thread! Sorry. Nevertheless I hold to the comments although for obvious reasons as a non-reader I won't be back to hear how wrong I am.
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Old 15-05-2013, 00:04
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I increasingly suspect we should feel for all concerned cos it looks to me as if Martin lost the plot (literally) round about now - if not slightly earlier.

Then again this may be a lack of faith on my part and the story may manage to find its way back to the mixture of wit, irony, blood and sex that was so successful when it started out.

But from all the hints and rumours it sounds as if the gothic elements are just going to become more and more overwhelming. Doubtless there is a market for that - and good luck to those who enjoy it but it's getting a bit one-dimensional for my taste.
It's a series of books based on GRRM's love of the internecine warfare of the Medieval War of the Roses and the 100 Year War in Europe etc, of course it's gothic

I do understand what you mean though, the problem is that this is a TV adaptation and things which are given far more depth in the books simply can't have that level of attention to detail on screen. Theon's torture is visual and brutal because there isn't the time to go into the depth his story gets in the novels.

Oops - wrong thread! Sorry. Nevertheless I hold to the comments although for obvious reasons as a non-reader I won't be back to hear how wrong I am.
Don't worry there's nothing revealed in my reply to you and it's not so much that you're wrong as that this is a TV adaptation of an incredibly complex series of books.
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Old 15-05-2013, 00:17
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anyone wishing for a daenerys and joffrey final scene in the iron throne room?

and if so ..... WHICH WAY???

fight to the death?
rumpy pumpy??
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Old 15-05-2013, 00:40
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anyone wishing for a daenerys and joffrey final scene in the iron throne room?

and if so ..... WHICH WAY???

fight to the death?
rumpy pumpy??
Wrong thread?
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Old 15-05-2013, 01:26
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People complainig about TV show spoilers being put in here (when in actual fact it wasn't even a spoiler at all) is stupid. You've read the books, you know whats coming. We only have one thread for book readers so, if you're that bothered by knowing what may/may not be in the next episode, it makes sense to stay out until you've watched the episode your self. It's what most people seem to be able to do!

It annoys me slightly that we have a US and UK pace thread in the first place. If you can't stop yourself from clicking on a thread for less than 24 hours (most of which you're asleep or at work anyway) then you have a bit of a problem!

Anyway back to the episodes:

Anybody else a bit disappointed with the bear pit? I loved that part of the book as Jamie gallantly rode in to protect Brienne. I understand why it had to be changed (budgetary and CGI reasons as well as the fact that as Locke is actually aligned to Bolton and not just a mercenary like the books you can't kill him without consequences). It just seemed a bit...anti-climactic. He climbs in, somebody shoots the bear and then he climbs out. Oh well!

Plus I thought that it was confirmed that Jeyne Westerling is pregnant in the books? I'm sure I read a line about 'the Wolf cub' which I took to mean Robb's unborn child?
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Old 15-05-2013, 01:57
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People complainig about TV show spoilers being put in here (when in actual fact it wasn't even a spoiler at all) is stupid.
It worries me that these people are depleting the worlds oxygen supply.They may even have procreated, passing on their genetic material.
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Old 15-05-2013, 02:18
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Plus I thought that it was confirmed that Jeyne Westerling is pregnant in the books? I'm sure I read a line about 'the Wolf cub' which I took to mean Robb's unborn child?
No, nothing confirmed. It's just a theory based on Cat and Jaime describing Jeyne slightly differently in their PoVs.


Why would Robb talk about making Jon his Heir if Jeyne was pregnant?
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Old 15-05-2013, 11:51
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Dances with dragons is much better, so persevere! I actually think that with the next few books George will be more focussed. For a start he will be drawing all the threads together and also he will have the show breathing down his neck creating a deadline; something he hasn't had in the past!
I wouldn't share this opinion, I thought ADWD was excruciatingly slow and uneventful. AFFC may not have had half of the main cast but at least things happened, when ADWD ends nobody has really progressed and some have actually gone backwards.
Due to the fact GRRM's last good book was released in the year 2000 I have absolutely no confidence in his ability to successfully complete ASOIAF.

As for the TV show, this was the worst episode of the season so far for me. Not a lot happening, no varys, no Queen of thorns, no Davos. I'm guessing this is just the calm before the Storm though.
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Old 15-05-2013, 13:32
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If someone's watching at UK Pace but has read all the books then it's unlikely they're going to be finding any spoilers in this thread.
You'd think so but you do given the divergence of some of the plot lines in the TV series. This last episode for example I read about Robb finding out about his impending fatherhood and a remark about the Orell/Jon/Ygritte triangle. Neither are in the book and whilst not huge "spoilers" as things go stumbling across them did make me tut and .

As long as no-one who catches it online before Monday evening berates any "latecomers" on a Tuesday for making a point already made the day previously (we don't all have time to read every post made on every thread since a previous visit especially during periods of high thread activity) then I don't have an issue with avoiding this thread from Sunday evening until Tuesday.
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