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Old 17-05-2013, 23:00
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No it happened many times.
No, it happened twice. It's also worth noting that there were always rumours that Jordy Chanadler's (first boy he paid off) father made Jordy make up the allegations. There were also recordings of the father saying he's going to "f**k Jackson up and make sure he never sells another record". Jordy and his father apparently stopped speaking not long after the big MJ trial. Jordy's father committed suicide not too long ago...not a single person attended his funeral. Make of that what you will, but I think MJ was taken advantage of by so many people, including family members. He had so much money and he was so naive. Even people who worked for him wanted a piece of his wealth. I mean, just look at his doctor!! Everyone around him was dodgy. I think he had a lot of issues, but I think he was just a very naive, misunderstood man who was able to trust absolutely nobody, and who people took advantage of.
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Old 18-05-2013, 08:36
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No, it happened twice. It's also worth noting that there were always rumours that Jordy Chanadler's (first boy he paid off) father made Jordy make up the allegations. There were also recordings of the father saying he's going to "f**k Jackson up and make sure he never sells another record". Jordy and his father apparently stopped speaking not long after the big MJ trial. Jordy's father committed suicide not too long ago...not a single person attended his funeral. Make of that what you will, but I think MJ was taken advantage of by so many people, including family members. He had so much money and he was so naive. Even people who worked for him wanted a piece of his wealth. I mean, just look at his doctor!! Everyone around him was dodgy. I think he had a lot of issues, but I think he was just a very naive, misunderstood man who was able to trust absolutely nobody, and who people took advantage of.
Twice that you know of. If Jordy wasn't talking to his father then when they shared the same apartment for years must have used a lot of post-it notes.

Have you heard the full version of the phone calls as handed to the police by convicted criminal & audio expert Anthony Pellicano, or read the 124 (?) page transcript?

If your child had been molested by an adult, isn't it likely a parent will say.."I'm going to make them pay for it". ?

Apart from one person, do you know anyone who saw the local TV news report in April (?) 1994 that Mary Fischer pulled out of the hat, in her defence of Michael Jackson?

I don't buy the poor likkle naive Michael image, he made manipulative calculated lie after lie.

He was still saying in 1994 he'd prove his innocence in court whilst he'd gone for settlement. He said to settle was a personal decision to protect his image and he didn't want it to drag on.

Then to stop certain details of the settlement being made public he changes his story and files a statement that an unamed insurance company overuled him and settled the 1993 case despite his wishes.

This is a guy who had Anthony Pellicano working for him in 1993, who negotiated Wade Robson's record deal at the same time he dealt with the Chandlers.

In 2004 he had 'pornographer and professional swindler' Marc Schaffel taking care of the accussers, a man who'd been publicly exposed in 2001 as a scam artist.
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Old 18-05-2013, 09:54
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No, it happened twice. It's also worth noting that there were always rumours that Jordy Chanadler's (first boy he paid off) father made Jordy make up the allegations. There were also recordings of the father saying he's going to "f**k Jackson up and make sure he never sells another record". Jordy and his father apparently stopped speaking not long after the big MJ trial. Jordy's father committed suicide not too long ago...not a single person attended his funeral. Make of that what you will, but I think MJ was taken advantage of by so many people, including family members. He had so much money and he was so naive. Even people who worked for him wanted a piece of his wealth. I mean, just look at his doctor!! Everyone around him was dodgy. I think he had a lot of issues, but I think he was just a very naive, misunderstood man who was able to trust absolutely nobody, and who people took advantage of.
making so much money not only for himself but the people around him that they would have done anything including breaking the law to protect their money making machine . Michael Jackson has all the classic signs of a pedophile and the only people who wont believe it are his deluded fans . one of which knows what is about to come out and hasn't posted anything on here for ages . wonder why that is ? possibly because evidence is about to come out that will bring his beloved idol`s legacy crashing down .
and even if he didn't actually abuse anyone which in my opinion he most definitely did , his behavior was entirely inappropriate and disgusting .
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Old 18-05-2013, 10:25
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Michael Jackson has all the classic signs of a pedophile and the only people who wont believe it are his deluded fans .
What are all the classic signs of a pedophile and which did MJ have?

For example, were any laptops or computers found in his possession containing indecent images of children in 2003 when they searched his property unannounced?
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Old 18-05-2013, 10:26
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If your child had been molested by an adult, isn't it likely a parent will say.."I'm going to make them pay for it". ?
I think a 'I'll f*cking kill him' would be more likely to be said. I think wanting to 'make them pay' is a bit of an odd thing to say. The last thing on my mind would be ruining the abuser's career. I'd be seeking justice not caring about whether I'll be damaging their reputation. Also I wouldn't care about money or a settlement if I was truly wanting to 'make them pay'.

Not that I'm saying the allegation was necessarily made up just commenting on that.
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Old 18-05-2013, 10:38
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That's what makes me doubt the new claim. If the person had come forward and said "Here is the truth" and wanted $0 payment for the story and $0 compensation, and just wanted to get the truth out there... I'd have an easier time believing it. As soon as demands for lots of money enter into things it makes me doubt the claims and I question the motives involved.

I wonder if he would take a lie detector test?
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Old 18-05-2013, 11:11
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That's what makes me doubt the new claim. If the person had come forward and said "Here is the truth" and wanted $0 payment for the story and $0 compensation, and just wanted to get the truth out there... I'd have an easier time believing it. As soon as demands for lots of money enter into things it makes me doubt the claims and I question the motives involved.

I wonder if he would take a lie detector test?
According to reports Wade Robson has not specified any sum of money in his claim against the estate.

Quick get Jeremy Kyle.
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Old 18-05-2013, 11:31
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I think a 'I'll f*cking kill him' would be more likely to be said. I think wanting to 'make them pay' is a bit of an odd thing to say. The last thing on my mind would be ruining the abuser's career. I'd be seeking justice not caring about whether I'll be damaging their reputation. Also I wouldn't care about money or a settlement if I was truly wanting to 'make them pay'.

Not that I'm saying the allegation was necessarily made up just commenting on that.
Making someone pay for it, does need to mean money it could be a whole host of things...haven't you ever heard siblings threaten to 'murder' each other, it often just means 'I'm annoyed'.

In the case of Michael Jackson in 1993 and now with Wade Robson it's being said Michael exploited his fame...look how mums flocked to leave their kids with him overnight.

Wasn't an award especially created of "King of Pop" to satisfy his ego...didn't he have pictures of himself crowned on a throne, didn't he adopt a royal style, didn't he name one of his children Prince.

Look at the abuse hurled at Wade Robson by peace loving MJ fans....even threats of physical violence. As a parent would you have dragged your 13 year old into court knowing how vindictive MJ fans can be and deal with the lies with long serving criminal Anthony Pellicano would spread?

Jackson had plenty of time to make a statement re any molestation, he remained silent. If nothing happened he had nothing to worry about.
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Old 18-05-2013, 11:54
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No, it happened twice. It's also worth noting that there were always rumours that Jordy Chanadler's (first boy he paid off) father made Jordy make up the allegations. There were also recordings of the father saying he's going to "f**k Jackson up and make sure he never sells another record". Jordy and his father apparently stopped speaking not long after the big MJ trial. Jordy's father committed suicide not too long ago...not a single person attended his funeral. Make of that what you will, but I think MJ was taken advantage of by so many people.
Wrong:

"I have pointed out quite a few times on here that a pastor, Jason Francia, stated he was in fact abused by Jackson & felt he now had to tell the truth given his profession. He states he initially denied in court having been abused by Jackson for fears of being labelled gay, but later conceded Jackson had "touched his genitals for a number of minutes in Jackson's 'safe room'"

http://news.scotsman.com/michaeljack...hen.2616240.jp

Francia (or his parents) were also paid $2 million in 1994.

The parents of another boy, Jimmy Safechuck (here with Jackson in 1988) were also reportedly paid $1million and given gifts of a Rolls Royce and two Mercedes."
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Old 18-05-2013, 12:17
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I really don't know.
Truly, if you had been through this and were offered the chance in a court of law to get justice, as he did in 2005 - wouldn't you take that opportunity? Why wouldn't you take the opportunity to get justice?
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Old 18-05-2013, 12:58
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I really don't know.
Truly, if you had been through this and were offered the chance in a court of law to get justice, as he did in 2005 - wouldn't you take that opportunity? Why wouldn't you take the opportunity to get justice?
Because of misplaced loyalty, perhaps? Also, Robson became a father himself two years ago and mentioned that having a son of his own was one of the things that made him reassess what happened and decide to come forward.
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Old 18-05-2013, 13:26
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According to reports Wade Robson has not specified any sum of money in his claim against the estate.

Quick get Jeremy Kyle.
Why is he claiming from the estate at all? Don't you agree that if he wanted no financial settlement it might make his story a little more believable?

Don't you agree a lie detector test would help his claims too? After all if he took one and it suggested he wasn't lying you'd be the first to post about it here.
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Old 19-05-2013, 12:38
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Look at the abuse hurled at Wade Robson by peace loving MJ fans....even threats of physical violence. As a parent would you have dragged your 13 year old into court knowing how vindictive MJ fans can be
Lame point - with Twitter and Facebook fans of every artists have a voice. I once received death threats via Twitter from Bieber fans because I said he was rubbish. There was no Facebook/Twitter 20 years ago in 93.
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Old 19-05-2013, 14:34
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Why is he claiming from the estate at all? Don't you agree that if he wanted no financial settlement it might make his story a little more believable?

Don't you agree a lie detector test would help his claims too? After all if he took one and it suggested he wasn't lying you'd be the first to post about it here.
I must admit, I find it weird these claimants don't go straight to the police but ask for money instead... however, for some reason, I think this Robson claim is true. Not sure about the previous ones (perhaps because they had too much to gain), but he's got a lot to lose.
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Old 19-05-2013, 14:47
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Different situation. The Savile allegations come with supporting statements from different alleged victims over decades all with similar stories to tell, indicating a specific pattern of behaviour, and even his contemporaries suspected that he was doing something he shouldn't have been doing. The allegations against Michael Jackson have come with no supporting evidence to indicate any wrongdoing
The pattern of behaviour in MJ could be said to be inviting young boys over to his house, spending the night, sleeping in one bed, drinking 'Jesus juice' and molesting them.

His former employees are now saying they him having showers and naked pool parties with the boys.

How is that different to the Saville case?
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Old 19-05-2013, 14:51
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The pattern of behaviour in MJ could be said to be inviting young boys over to his house, spending the night, sleeping in one bed, drinking 'Jesus juice' and molesting them.

His former employees are now saying they him having showers and naked pool parties with the boys.

How is that different to the Saville case?
Imho its not different.
Throwing money at facts doesn't change them into fiction.
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Old 19-05-2013, 14:53
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Imho its not different.
Throwing money at facts doesn't change them into fiction.
Exactly. Both Wade and the housekeeper have said that they were threatened with murder if they would talk.
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Old 19-05-2013, 14:54
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The pattern of behaviour in MJ could be said to be inviting young boys over to his house, spending the night, sleeping in one bed, drinking 'Jesus juice' and molesting them.

His former employees are now saying they him having showers and naked pool parties with the boys.

How is that different to the Saville case?
Because Michael Jackson has already been to court over such allegations, and has never been found guilty of anything and was defended previously by Wade Robson. With Savile, the sheer number of alleged victims across a wide period of time, circumstances and locations indicate that there may be something in it, and supporting statements from other people who had concerns about his behaviour.
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Old 19-05-2013, 14:56
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Lame point - with Twitter and Facebook fans of every artists have a voice. I once received death threats via Twitter from Bieber fans because I said he was rubbish. There was no Facebook/Twitter 20 years ago in 93.
Weren't there bulletin boards or something?

Anyone threats can be in a physical form letters, parcels even people turning up at the door....because it wasn't publicised doesn't mean some nasty things didn't happen.

It was publicised a reporter who broke the 1993 case was immediately harassed by MJ fans.
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Old 19-05-2013, 14:57
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Because Michael Jackson has already been to court over such allegations, and has never been found guilty of anything. With Savile, the sheer number of alleged victims across a wide period of time, circumstances and locations indicate that there may be something in it, and supporting statements from other people who had concerns about his behaviour.
No BBB.
I do not buy that line at all.
Throw enough money at it and it will go away imho.
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Old 19-05-2013, 14:59
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No BBB.
I do not buy that line at all.
Throw enough money at it and it will go away imho.
Whether or not you question the American legal system is not the issue, nor is the silly implication that a settlement equates to guilt.
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Old 19-05-2013, 15:17
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Whether or not you question the American legal system is not the issue, nor is the silly implication that a settlement equates to guilt.
Really?

Why then?

Are you saying that throwing money at a problem is the conventional way of proving innocence?

I'd better declare an interest in that I belong to the 'no smoke without fire' camp.

Hes' dead now and no amount of litigation will ever prove anything.

I think he's guilty as charged though.
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Old 19-05-2013, 15:37
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Really?

Why then?

Are you saying that throwing money at a problem is the conventional way of proving innocence?

I'd better declare an interest in that I belong to the 'no smoke without fire' camp.

Hes' dead now and no amount of litigation will ever prove anything.

I think he's guilty as charged though.
It doesn't matter what you personally think. A settlement is not an admission of guilt. He actually wasn't guilty as charged despite your personal wishes or feelings.
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Old 19-05-2013, 15:42
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It doesn't matter what you personally think. A settlement is not an admission of guilt. He actually wasn't guilty as charged despite your personal wishes or feelings.
I know that.
I really am not stupid.

I'm merely expressing an opinion.
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Old 19-05-2013, 15:57
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Whether or not you question the American legal system is not the issue, nor is the silly implication that a settlement equates to guilt.
Unfortunately, whenever Michael Jackson's guilt or innocence is discussed, there is an automatic implication that anyone who came/comes forward with accusations is lying/'just doing it for the money'. Unfortunately, as the case of Jimmy Savile has proved, wealthy men can and do abuse people. I guess that's why I'd rather wait and see what transpires in court and what evidence is produced rather than simply dismiss Wade Robson's claims outright.
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