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Old 18-06-2013, 07:20
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More from the Judge's sentencing remarks...

....I have come to the following conclusions:
1. Taken individually some of the offences do not cross the custody threshold

2. However several of the offences, in my judgement more than your counsel has submitted, do cross the custody threshold, and those in each of Counts 6, 15 and 16 do so significantly because of their facts and the ages of the children involved.

3. Taken together the cumulative result of your offending is such that a custodial sentence is appropriate as the starting point for all of the offences.
Having come to the conclusion that the offending taken as a whole crosses the custody threshold, as I have, I then have to determine whether the mitigation in your case is sufficient to justify retreating back over the custody threshold and to decide what the appropriate penalty should be.
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Old 18-06-2013, 08:19
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Something I was curious about was why stop in 1986, was it the opportunities to offend no longer existed, his age, or something else. The Judge's report has the following...

To the Probation officer you indicated that in 1986 you took the decision to stop your criminal behaviour towards others and stopped drinking spirits and chose to be celibate.
If he stopped because he knew it was wrong, his outburst in February seems at odds with his decision in 1986.
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Old 18-06-2013, 09:49
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Having considered mitigation such as age and no previous convictions the Judge's starting point was 20 months. The judge took into account Hall's late pleas of guilty.
So in other words it sounds like the judge's ruling was proportionate in this case, given the constraints he was compelled to work with.
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Old 18-06-2013, 10:54
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Esther Ransid is on our TV's again this morning spouting about how we have to do something to stop child abuse .

Incredible , how on earth is she still the head of Childline ??


http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/vide...y-savile-video
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Old 18-06-2013, 11:30
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A prolific paedophile who sexualy abuses children for over a decade, gets a phalltry (see what i did there ) 15 months, and a guy who spray paints a wall gets, wait for it................









here it comes............









Get ready............









Id hold them sides as your gona love this..........









3 1/2 years!!!! LMFAO!!!!!
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Old 18-06-2013, 16:50
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This Morning's Daybreak
https://www.itv.com/itvplayer/daybreak/18-06-2013

Internet Watch Foundation, Claire Perry MP & MWT on blocking abuse materials online from 19m20s. Scale of the problem is shocking. The IWF can get a UK site closed down within an hour, but much more difficult if based abroad.



Also interview with one of Stuart Hall's victims, Susan Harrison, at 1hr8m.
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Old 18-06-2013, 19:46
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Lawyer discusses and explains the Stuart Hall sentence
http://ukcrime.wordpress.com/2013/06...-to-15-months/
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Old 19-06-2013, 01:08
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So in other words it sounds like the judge's ruling was proportionate in this case, given the constraints he was compelled to work with.
I think the judge endeavoured to give sentence that was fair within the restrictions he was working under, I did agree with his remarks while sentencing, that he was giving him credit for pleading guilty but noting that he did not do this at his first opportunity and aggravated the trauma to the victims by ckaiming that the accusations were spurious when he knew fine well that he was guilty as sin. And the mitigating factor that the poor lamb was having trouble sleeping - so he's slept ok for the last 40 years or so knowing he committed the offences, but is plagued with sleeplessness now he's been caught and convicted? Well, good! I hope the survivors are happy with the sentence but I wouldn't blame them if they weren't.
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Old 19-06-2013, 06:58
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I think the judge endeavoured to give sentence that was fair within the restrictions he was working under, I did agree with his remarks while sentencing, that he was giving him credit for pleading guilty but noting that he did not do this at his first opportunity and aggravated the trauma to the victims by ckaiming that the accusations were spurious when he knew fine well that he was guilty as sin. And the mitigating factor that the poor lamb was having trouble sleeping - so he's slept ok for the last 40 years or so knowing he committed the offences, but is plagued with sleeplessness now he's been caught and convicted? Well, good! I hope the survivors are happy with the sentence but I wouldn't blame them if they weren't.
Great post.
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Old 20-06-2013, 05:03
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Government & ISPs meeting "hijacked by ignorant MPs."
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/382507/c...y-ignorant-mps
Ignorant MPs? Surely not!


What MWT thinks needs to be done
http://williams-thomas.co.uk/?q=Onli...ch+is+required.
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Old 20-06-2013, 11:20
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Government & ISPs meeting "hijacked by ignorant MPs."
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/382507/c...y-ignorant-mps
Ignorant MPs? Surely not!


What MWT thinks needs to be done
http://williams-thomas.co.uk/?q=Onli...ch+is+required.
He's really not very bright is he. The culture secretary isn't responsible for policing, she is doing work in the area she is tasked with. Berating her for carrying out her work is like berating a plumber because he didn't also tile the roof.
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Old 22-06-2013, 16:20
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Kenneth Clarke wrongly accused of indecently assaulting boy
http://www.exaronews.com/articles/47...assaulting-boy

How I helped police clear Clarke of sex assault smear
http://www.exaronews.com/articles/47...-assault-smear
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Old 22-06-2013, 17:36
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Is this the Ben Follows claims?

Not everyone has or wants to register with that website.

People were eager to 'join up the dots' previously, how about letting us know why the dots should be removed like zits?

I notice another celeb has been 'cleared' of child abuse by another website that is often linked to in this thread, how kind of them to let us know 3 months after they realised they'd got it wrong.
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Old 22-06-2013, 21:34
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A possible explanation of the Fellows case
http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2...s-allegations/
Good old-fashioned mistaken identity.
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Old 23-06-2013, 00:29
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From that website, Fellows isn't a liar it's just what he said isn't true?

The first thing I’d like to make clear is that in regards to the Cook Report I do not believe that Ben Fellows is a liar. That, however, does not mean that his allegations are correct because a number of important details are certainly not true.
I’ve had this standing by for a while and now that David Hencke at Exaro has gone public I think it’s OK to post. I should point out that David Hencke is in a position to know. He was the senior journalist working for The Guardian on this investigation with the Cook Report and saw every piece of film
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How kind of that website and David Hencke to think of the victim...finally.
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Old 23-06-2013, 08:19
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This is what Fellows wrote in October 2012...

When I was fifteen years old, I was introduced to politicians via working from 1990-1994 on the investigative TV show, “The Cook Report”, which became a nightmare. .... When I joined the team, I was a confident child actor. I had a powerful agent and I was working on a regular basis across the entertainment industry. The Cook Report needed a child,specifically one who was mixed race to place in front of prominent politicians to lure them into a sting operation – a dangerous honey trap if there ever was one.

Firstly, it was illegal for The Cook Report to exploit me in this way. I was a child for God’s sake! Yet, if I was eighteen but looked fifteen and I fully understood what I was getting into – then fair enough. But I was only fifteen at the time, so not being able to say no to a job – I joined the team and began my role in the sting.
This joint investigation by The Cook Report and Guardian is said to have taken place in 1994. the Guardian carried a report based on the investigation on 20 Oct 1994.

Was Ben Fellows 15 or 19 ? How come his powerful agent, who was already getting him work on a regular basis across the entertainment industry unable to say no?
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Old 23-06-2013, 09:00
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Here is Ben Fellows account of working on the "Cash for Questions" investigation for the Cook Report.

During the show’s ‘Cash for Questions’ investigation, the first politician who I met was then DTI Chairman, Sir Michael Grylls, who invited me to tea in the House of Commons “tea room” and spent the meeting attempting make untoward body contact with me under the table. After that, I was sent to a political lobbyist named Ian Greer who tried to rub his genitalia against me while he hugged me. On one separate occasion, I was summoned Ian Greer’s offices **********(Name redacted) ******. Greer gave me a two glasses of whiskey and was acting a little, lets say, “over-familiar”. *******(Name redacted) *** Ian Greer were well aware of my age – because I told them I was 15. Now, I’m not suggesting that either Sir Michael Grylls, Ian Greer *********(Name redacted) are pedophiles, however, it’s not over-the-top to describe what transpired as very questionable behaviour towards a minor – by anyone’s standards – let alone the standards expected from our public officials and government inner circle members.
Except Sir Michael Grylis wasn't chairman of the DTI, A simple search shows he chaired the Tory MPs' trade and industry committee.

Here's an account of the 'Cash for Questions' investigation from the Guardian's obituary in 2001 of Sir Michael Grylls.

A Central Television team attempted a documentary in 1994 in which they pretended to be Russo-American entrepreneurs, ready to spend $40m on buying decanted government agencies, particularly the insolvency agency. A fancy office with concealed cameras was set up in Park Lane, with a black American actor pretending to be gay, to attract Greer. Grylls was approached and he referred them to Greer. Greer boasted about what he could do for these potential clients. He also boasted about his close connections with the then prime minister, John Major. The documentary was never broadcast, but verbatim extracts appeared in the Guardian.

Ben Fellows made a movie called "I was Jonathan Pitt" which played in a Birmingham cinema in 2006.

When Ben Fellows split with his fiancée in 2003 it caused an emotional crisis and got him thinking about the woman who had given him up for adoption..... Thirty years later with his adoptive family's blessing he set out on a journey that was to change his life forever.
So how old was Ben Follows in 1994? 15 as he says or 18-20 as indicated by the above.

Ben Fellows is said to be alive and well although he says he is in hiding and on the run, he popped up in Watford recently and is still maintaining his claims about Kenneth Clarke and has written to him.
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Old 23-06-2013, 13:30
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Part of Ben Fellows letter to Kenneth Clarke...

Oh I just remembered this is funny. Remember when you were talking about G4S in Ian Greers office back in the day. You said that, why when you were asked why the company was called G4S, after the fiasco with Group 4 Securicor, you said that “It’s called G4S as the 4 was the dollar sign on the keyboard”…Oh so it is!
Would that be 1994? When Ben Fellows was 19 rather than 15?

According to GS4's website they were known as Group 4 in 1994, in 2004 Group 4 Falck became Group 4 Securicor. It was not till 2006 G4S was rolled out as a brand.
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Old 23-06-2013, 17:48
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Did I read that Savile threatened to have someone killed when they wanted to expose him in the seventies? He strikes me as a very dangerous man, not just for his abuse of women and kids.
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Old 23-06-2013, 19:11
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Did I read that Savile threatened to have someone killed when they wanted to expose him in the seventies? He strikes me as a very dangerous man, not just for his abuse of women and kids.
Yes, there are rumours of his gangsterism as well as his sex abuse.
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Old 23-06-2013, 22:40
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Did I read that Savile threatened to have someone killed when they wanted to expose him in the seventies? He strikes me as a very dangerous man, not just for his abuse of women and kids.

Any evidence that Savile was behind the assignation of J.F Kennedy has quietly disappeared, but Kennedy was on the brink of calling an investigation on the Catholic Church something Savile could not allow to happen due to his strong links.

Apparently Reggie Kray once took a phone call from Savile and was left shaking and dropped the phone.
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Old 23-06-2013, 23:52
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Did I read that Savile threatened to have someone killed when they wanted to expose him in the seventies? He strikes me as a very dangerous man, not just for his abuse of women and kids.
I can very easily believe that.
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Old 24-06-2013, 22:35
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Yes, there are rumours of his gangsterism as well as his sex abuse.
I do remember a story about him boasting of his links to contract killers and gangsters. Also when he ran a dance hall in Leeds in the fifties, he was well known for behaving brutally to people who messed about. Even without the more recent allegations, he doesn't strike me as being pleasant.
Also I was looking at the BBC News website and some reporter called Clifford Luton from the sixties and seventies has been arrested for downloading indecent images and historic abuse. I sort of vaguely recall the name, but was he one of the top reporters going back to the sixties as he is 87 now?
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Old 25-06-2013, 22:00
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Update on Jersey
http://ricosorda.blogspot.co.uk/2013...fficer-of.html
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Old 25-06-2013, 22:37
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ex-BBC reporter on child sex charges

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-21937312

He's now 87 years old

Point i want to make is, Saville took it all the way to his grave

It seems many now being charged are in their 80's
Better than Saville, because at least they get punished

Already one foot in the grave

I still find it disgraceful that they have lived full lives as free men

It won't bother them too much, as their lives are pretty much done anyway
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