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Old 06-06-2013, 11:50
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It's being reported Howard Weitzman, attorney for the estate is asking a judge to throw Wade's case out as it is too late.

Weitzman has asked, how could it be Wade had no idea there was a deadline of 4 months after the Estate proceedings began the file a creditor's claim?

Howard forgets at the time Wade was under the impression no wrong had been committed, Michael Jackson had convinced him not to tell the truth.

Meanwhile a person has suggested if perjury is found to have been committed in 2005 then the molestation trial could be declared a mistrial. Wade would not be found guilty of perjury due to the nature of the crime and him being a victim.

A retrial would be put forward by the prosecutor and despite Michael Jackson not being able to defend himself it would not be a problem as he didn't take the stand in the original trial.
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Old 06-06-2013, 12:28
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It's being reported Howard Weitzman, attorney for the estate is asking a judge to throw Wade's case out as it is too late.

Weitzman has asked, how could it be Wade had no idea there was a deadline of 4 months after the Estate proceedings began the file a creditor's claim?

Howard forgets at the time Wade was under the impression no wrong had been committed, Michael Jackson had convinced him not to tell the truth.

Meanwhile a person has suggested if perjury is found to have been committed in 2005 then the molestation trial could be declared a mistrial. Wade would not be found guilty of perjury due to the nature of the crime and him being a victim.

A retrial would be put forward by the prosecutor and despite Michael Jackson not being able to defend himself it would not be a problem as he didn't take the stand in the original trial.
What would be the point of a trial after someone is dead? He cant harm anyone now so why cause more distress to his family?
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Old 06-06-2013, 13:08
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What would be the point of a trial after someone is dead? He cant harm anyone now so why cause more distress to his family?
Closure and confirmation the complainant, the former employees and the other children weren't lying?
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Old 06-06-2013, 15:01
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Closure and confirmation the complainant, the former employees and the other children weren't lying?
I think it was well established that the complainant and his family were lying,unfortunately. ( In the particular case in court) I think in cases like this it would be a choice between compensating the adult victims or protecting his children from hurt.
Without meaning to minimise the distress of the victims, I would always choose to shield the children. Child abuse destroys enough lives as it is. A trial would cause harm when surely the aim is to protect all children?
It would be different if the accused was still alive and a danger obviously.
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Old 07-06-2013, 09:51
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The process for Wade's Robson's claim against the Estate went before a Judge yesterday.

Despite attorneys for both sides wanting the filings to remain sealed, looks like the Judge feels some material should be made public.

A judge said Thursday he was inclined to unseal portions of a choreographer's court filings alleging he was abused by Michael Jackson.

However, personal details and psychiatrist reports would likely not be released.
Judge Beckloff gave attorneys a redacted copy of Robson's sworn declaration for their approval by June 25. The Judge has said he does not intend to make public the specific allegations made by Robson against Jackson.

Attorney Henry Gradstein said a breakdown last year prompted Robson to address the abuse.

Judge Beckloff will also deal with the other Robson lawsuit against Jackson and two others that includes allegations of abuse by Jackson. That is also sealed.
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Old 08-06-2013, 10:19
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I think it was well established that the complainant and his family were lying,unfortunately. ( In the particular case in court) I think in cases like t3his it would be a choice between compensating the adult victims or protecting his children from hurt.
Without meaning to minimise the distress of the victims, I would always choose to shield the children. Child abuse destroys enough lives as it is. A trial would cause harm when surely the aim is to protect all children?
It would be different if the accused was still alive and a danger obviously.
Why do people continually defend Michael Jackson saying there is nothing to be gained by investigation and how can it be proved ?
Yet I dont hear the same being said about celebs called up under operation yewtree
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Old 08-06-2013, 11:30
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Why do people continually defend Michael Jackson saying there is nothing to be gained by investigation and how can it be proved ?
Yet I dont hear the same being said about celebs called up under operation yewtree
Why is it defending Michael Jackson?
I think sometimes people forget that innocent children will be hurt.
How can it be a good thing that a fifteen year old is so anguished by the claims and subsequent bullying that she takes a meat cleaver to herself? Is it worth an "I told you so" ?
Michael Jackson (if the claims are true) can never be punished for the crime. He can never "compensate" the victims. Compensation will be paid by his children.

A for yewtree, If Mark Williams Thomas's claims that the police know the address and identity of a thousand paedophiles who have downloaded pornography is true, and that they can not act on the information because they do not have the funds, then dead people should not be the priority in my opinion.
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Old 08-06-2013, 11:54
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Why is it defending Michael Jackson?
I think sometimes people forget that innocent children will be hurt.
How can it be a good thing that a fifteen year old is so anguished by the claims and subsequent bullying that she takes a meat cleaver to herself? Is it worth an "I told you so" ?
Michael Jackson (if the claims are true) can never be punished for the crime. He can never "compensate" the victims. Compensation will be paid by his children.
Wade's case is a civil matter not a criminal investigation.

One is against the estate and the other against Michael Jackson and two others who I assume are still alive.
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Old 08-06-2013, 11:57
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Why do people continually defend Michael Jackson saying there is nothing to be gained by investigation and how can it be proved ?
Yet I dont hear the same being said about celebs called up under operation yewtree
it is because the fans are some of the most hardcore around and would never want their (god) tarnished with that .
defending him is all they have left and they come up with all manner of excuses to prevent his reputation .
like oh Michael Jackson is dead - lets just go after the pedophiles that are alive . leave the ones that are already dead alone .
its bordering on the comical if it wasn't such a serious issue .
basically blame anyone at all aslong as it isn't Michael Jackson .
makes me physically sick .
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Old 08-06-2013, 13:24
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it is because the fans are some of the most hardcore around and would never want their (god) tarnished with that .
defending him is all they have left and they come up with all manner of excuses to prevent his reputation .
No. This is nothing like anything that I have written.
You appear to keep saying that anyone with a different point of view to yours is a hardcore fan and Michael Jackson is their idol.
Your mind reading skills are rubbish. I am not a fan, and I have no reason to defend or attack him. (i do both at times)
People can have differing views without anyone being "wrong" and we dont have to "take sides"

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like oh Michael Jackson is dead - lets just go after the pedophiles that are alive . leave the ones that are already dead alone .
its bordering on the comical if it wasn't such a serious issue ..
I see nothing comical about it.
Who would want to leave a child to be attacked by a known paedophile while the money was diverted to pursuing somebody dead and no longer a danger?
Surely child safety is the whole point?
basically blame anyone at all aslong as it isn't Michael Jackson .
Who has blamed anybody else? What do you mean?


makes me physically sick .
We are all sickened when children are harmed. We just have different approaches to trying to prevent it and implementing justice.
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Old 08-06-2013, 16:25
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It's being reported Howard Weitzman, attorney for the estate is asking a judge to throw Wade's case out as it is too late.

Weitzman has asked, how could it be Wade had no idea there was a deadline of 4 months after the Estate proceedings began the file a creditor's claim?

Howard forgets at the time Wade was under the impression no wrong had been committed, Michael Jackson had convinced him not to tell the truth.

Meanwhile a person has suggested if perjury is found to have been committed in 2005 then the molestation trial could be declared a mistrial. Wade would not be found guilty of perjury due to the nature of the crime and him being a victim.

A retrial would be put forward by the prosecutor and despite Michael Jackson not being able to defend himself it would not be a problem as he didn't take the stand in the original trial.
I don't know about the USA, but here in Scotland, once those 4 months are up, that's it. There are no circumstances under which a claim can be made on an estate as a creditor.
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Old 08-06-2013, 16:26
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It's terribly sad that MJ's children are caught up in this, but it would be even sadder if victims of abuse were prevented from having their accusations heard, simply because it would be distressing for MJ's children.
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Old 08-06-2013, 17:25
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It's terribly sad that MJ's children are caught up in this, but it would be even sadder if victims of abuse were prevented from having their accusations heard, simply because it would be distressing for MJ's children.
I can see that every time a victim speaks out it might deter another abuser, so it is a very difficult situation.
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Old 09-06-2013, 15:25
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It's terribly sad that MJ's children are caught up in this, but it would be even sadder if victims of abuse were prevented from having their accusations heard, simply because it would be distressing for MJ's children.
Agreed. I don't think it makes any difference if the accused is alive or dead as to whether the case should be pursued.

Given that the celebs implicated under operation Yewtree all seem to have an average age of around 80 it's doubtful that they are still much of a threat to society.
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Old 10-06-2013, 10:18
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Can I ask why in the cases of Michael Jackson have all the accusers had there names made public, where as the names of victims in other cases are not given, surely anonymity might help people in this case to come forward!
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Old 10-06-2013, 13:53
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At the end of the day he was a lanky black man with a white face,whom was bald, wore a wig and slept with the children.,

Every decent parent would never let their children near that disgusting freak.
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Old 10-06-2013, 14:50
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At the end of the day he was a lanky black man with a white face,whom was bald, wore a wig and slept with the children.,

Every decent parent would never let their children near that disgusting freak.
His race nor appearance come into it. However, an adult man sleeping with many different boys who were not his own is abnormal at the very least even if nothing else happened. I never understood the parents who let their children go to stay with him.
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Old 11-06-2013, 01:58
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He probably wanted MJ's private parts anyway .
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Old 17-06-2013, 10:15
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He probably wanted MJ's private parts anyway .

what a disgusting thing to even think much less write on a public forum .
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Old 18-06-2013, 15:04
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Here's a video from 1993 where Wade Robson, his Chantal and mum Joy defend Michael Jackson.

This was at a time 34 year old Jackson had been accused of child molestation and was addicted to Demerol.

Listen how the mother makes out she was there and knew what happened, they played and fell asleep exhausted, she had no concerns a man who seemed to see himself as a child and was an addict slept with young children.

I suppose being dependent on Jackson for financial support had no impact on what she said.
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Old 26-06-2013, 05:33
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A very long serving Jackson attorney argued yesterday that unsealing Wade's allegations of molestation could harm Paris Jackson...

.... Howard Weitzman, an attorney for the estate, raised the issue of potential harm to the singer's daughter that might come with unsealing "salacious details" of a choreographer's recent molestation allegations against the pop superstar.

Beckloff told attorneys he will consider which portions of Wade Robson's complaint to unseal and inform attorneys of his decision. Robson claims the acts occurred when he was a child.
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Old 26-06-2013, 07:55
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He probably wanted MJ's private parts anyway .

Well it doesn't matter if they are black or white.
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Old 26-06-2013, 09:12
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I can believe it.

That bloke was one weird, creepy fecker when he was alive.
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Old 02-07-2013, 17:22
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Wade Robson has amended his complaint to include details of Jackson's 'alarm' system...

Robson just filed an amended complaint, claiming the alarm would go off whenever someone came within 30 feet of Jackson's room. Robson claims Jackson also hung a "Do Not Disturb" sign on his bedroom door.
The details of the abuse are redacted in the complaint, but the allegations are pretty clear -- Robson claims he and MJ frequently shared a bed, Jackson often showed him porn, he told Robson they loved each other but no one would understand and he needed to keep his mouth shut.
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Old 23-07-2013, 09:14
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Did Michael Jackson keep Wade's mum sweet by putting her on the payroll?

She worked for Jackson from 1991 to 1998 “with responsibility for recruiting Australian talent,”....But according to Robson, a blinded Jackson was “not concerned with her efforts to recruit Australian talent and focused more” on himself — even though he paid her.
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