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Old 02-07-2013, 14:03
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Old 02-07-2013, 19:33
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I always thought there was a plot hole regarding Angel's return for season three. Hmm. Oh well
One theory is that it was Jasmine who brought Angel back to set in motion her plan to become flesh in our dimension. Of course at the time none of that had been mapped out, but retrospectively it does work.
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Old 02-07-2013, 21:27
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Seth Green is a God-awful actor.
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Old 03-07-2013, 01:53
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Seth Green is a God-awful actor.
lol, that seems a little harsh. I never liked Oz much as a character but find now I'm older he's grown on me a lot.

Just finished rewatching 'Becoming Pt 2':

'The winter here's cold, and bitter, its chilled us to the bone'




What an incredible run of episodes in series 2. The trajectory of the story line over 22 individual episodes, and the sheer inventiveness and originality of the episodes themselves, is stunning.
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Old 03-07-2013, 08:32
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Seth Green is an average actor. But he is at his best in comedy which he has obviously found huge success in doing as he did Family guy and several comedic films after leaving.
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Old 03-07-2013, 12:43
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lol, that seems a little harsh. I never liked Oz much as a character but find now I'm older he's grown on me a lot.

Just finished rewatching 'Becoming Pt 2':

'The winter here's cold, and bitter, its chilled us to the bone'




What an incredible run of episodes in series 2. The trajectory of the story line over 22 individual episodes, and the sheer inventiveness and originality of the episodes themselves, is stunning.
Just that line from a song is enough to make me upset

I loved season 2 even if it has the ability to make me cry multiple times. There were episodes that were just meh but some of the episodes were fantastic. The final two parter was just brilliant (even if I know laugh at the terrible stunt doubles in the sword fight).

I don't think Seth Green was that bad. I kind of liked Oz, he had his moments of being absolutely hilarious: 'we attack the mayor with hummus'. Really disliked his final episode though (not counting Restless)
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Old 03-07-2013, 14:57
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I liked Oz's last episode. Seth Green did leave the writers in a mess though. He departed the show rather abruptly and they had mapped out a whole season storyline involving Willow, Oz and Veruca. So they had to do a complete U-turn and not only write him out, but change the plan they had for willow.
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Old 03-07-2013, 15:40
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lol, that seems a little harsh. I never liked Oz much as a character but find now I'm older he's grown on me a lot.



He's just so... wooden. Like he's constantly reading from a script. In Dooplegangerland when he thinks Willow is dead, he just says to Angel, like he couldn't care less "Get Buffy now!" and just stands around... It's seriously like someone behind the scenes is holding a script up for him to read...
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Old 03-07-2013, 17:33
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He's just so... wooden. Like he's constantly reading from a script. In Dooplegangerland when he thinks Willow is dead, he just says to Angel, like he couldn't care less "Get Buffy now!" and just stands around... It's seriously like someone behind the scenes is holding a script up for him to read...
That's just Oz though. If SG was as bad and as wooden as you're suggesting then he'd be like that in everything he appears in; and of course, he isn't.
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Old 03-07-2013, 17:43
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I don't think oz was wooden,thats just how seth green acts,he's the same in everything he's in.
He had some great 1 liners but besides being there he didn't really do alot,i liked his coolness & calmness at everything but the way he decided to just leave always leaves a bad taste for me.
then again the series worked out pretty well so it was a blessing in disguise in theory.
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Old 03-07-2013, 17:52
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I don't think oz was wooden,thats just how seth green acts,he's the same in everything he's in.
No he isn't.
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Old 03-07-2013, 18:19
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whats he different in then ??

the films i've watched him in he is just oz in a film,doesn't really act any different
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Old 03-07-2013, 18:44
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whats he different in then ??

the films i've watched him in he is just oz in a film,doesn't really act any different
Off the top of my head; Entourage, Without a Paddle, Idle Hands, Sexy Evil Genius...

Not too too mention the many voice acting, or the numerous pre Buffy TV and movie minor roles in which he usually played typical happy, active teens.

He does often play it cool, but that's a world apart from Oz-ing everything he's in.
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Old 03-07-2013, 18:48
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Off the top of my head; Entourage, Without a Paddle, Idle Hands, Sexy Evil Genius...

Not too too mention the many voice acting, or the numerous pre Buffy TV and movie minor roles in which he usually played a typical happy, active teen.

He does tend to play it cool, but that's a world apart from Oz-ing everything he's in.
to be honest i'm not his biggest fan & have only seen him in a handful of movies & bits,i'm sure he does have range it's just i haven't seen it yet
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Old 03-07-2013, 21:21
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Just that line from a song is enough to make me upset

I loved season 2 even if it has the ability to make me cry multiple times. There were episodes that were just meh but some of the episodes were fantastic. The final two parter was just brilliant (even if I know laugh at the terrible stunt doubles in the sword fight).

I don't think Seth Green was that bad. I kind of liked Oz, he had his moments of being absolutely hilarious: 'we attack the mayor with hummus'. Really disliked his final episode though (not counting Restless)
The stunt doubles are often hilariously obvious I'm finding that they've made a bit more effort in series 3 to try and get the actors to do a few more of the fighting scenes themselves!

One thing that is striking me during my rewatch is just how good SMG was in the role of Buffy. She was amazing in both parts of 'Becoming'. Trying to convey Buffy's emotional rollercoaster can't have been easy but I find her really convincing. You'd have to have a heart of winter not to be moved by many of the scenes in series 2.

Ugh, the series 2 was just so good. Anyway, I'm onto series 3 now and Faith has just turned up!
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Old 04-07-2013, 22:22
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Buffy voted 8th in Entertainment Weekly's All-Time Greatest TV Show. Would've had it a bit higher myself, but a few of the shows above it i havent seen, so cant really comment. But list overall very accurate!!!!
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Old 04-07-2013, 22:30
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Buffy voted 8th in Entertainment Weekly's All-Time Greatest TV Show. Would've had it a bit higher myself, but a few of the shows above it i havent seen, so cant really comment. But list overall very accurate!!!!
YEAHHHH!!! Of course it deserves higher....but it just showcases that in time tis still one of the toppest toppest shows ever

and in comments for Sarahs performances...yeah she truly is a mesmerising actress...and sustained herself across 7 years so very well...she made Buffy her own and became her so very well and by adding so much of her personality into it really made it all the more special...and that is lacking in some shows these days in the maisntream...few manage to capture that brilliance of such a character

WHich is why she always deserves so much more...but Buffy is so damn iconic...and the show...well its my favourite

and looking at you guys on rewatches posting episode by episode overviews and stuff...really would love to have a marathon again soon
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Old 04-07-2013, 22:32
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Buffy voted 8th in Entertainment Weekly's All-Time Greatest TV Show. Would've had it a bit higher myself, but a few of the shows above it i havent seen, so cant really comment. But list overall very accurate!!!!
8th is good Anything in the top ten I'm happy with, tbh. When it was being shown I didn't really know anyone else who watched it and I think, with time, its reputation will only increase. Look at us, still talking about it and watching it long after it's finished.

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Old 04-07-2013, 22:39
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YEAHHHH!!! Of course it deserves higher....but it just showcases that in time tis still one of the toppest toppest shows ever

and in comments for Sarahs performances...yeah she truly is a mesmerising actress...and sustained herself across 7 years so very well...she made Buffy her own and became her so very well and by adding so much of her personality into it really made it all the more special...and that is lacking in some shows these days in the maisntream...few manage to capture that brilliance of such a character

WHich is why she always deserves so much more...but Buffy is so damn iconic...and the show...well its my favourite

and looking at you guys on rewatches posting episode by episode overviews and stuff...really would love to have a marathon again soon
I wish she could've won an Emmy, at least once, for her work on Buffy. She totally deserved to. Without her central performance to anchor the show I don't think it would've lasted as long as it did or been so successful.
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Old 04-07-2013, 22:51
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I wish she could've won an Emmy, at least once, for her work on Buffy. She totally deserved to. Without her central performance to anchor the show I don't think it would've lasted as long as it did or been so successful.
Certainly not... i mean i know Kirsty was given the "Valley girl" pitch to live up to....but when you compare Swanson from the (albeit fun) movie in 1992 to Sarahs tour de force eprformances 1997 - 2003....its no real comparison....its amazing

ANd i wholeheartedly agree...in fact if episodes were nominated...which ones do you think per-year she should have been nominated for?

1997 - Prophecy girl ("i dont wanna die" confrontation)
1998 - Becoming II ("I am the slayer" coming out to Joyce)
1999 - Earshot (basically the episode....tour-de-force)
2000 - Whos That girl ("dont do that...because its wrong" mirror scene)
2001 - The Body (the entire finding Joyce on couch opening quarter)
2002 - Life Serial (Magic Box scene)
2003 - Chosen (final fight)

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Old 04-07-2013, 22:52
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Also speaking of the show lasting a long duration...that chemistry of powerful righting, creative control, a sublime crew and top notch cast really married together made the show function so well...and the lead actress to really delve into the role and forefront it for 7 years back to back...thats dedication to the craft it really is
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Old 04-07-2013, 23:00
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8th is good Anything in the top ten I'm happy with, tbh. When it was being shown I didn't really know anyone else who watched it and I think, with time, its reputation will only increase. Look at us, still talking about it and watching it long after it's finished.

You tell the truth there .....the power in a shows quality is in its longevity thereafter
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Old 04-07-2013, 23:11
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I think SMG is good in the role, but Alison Hannigan and Anthony Head totally steal the show for me. I get the feeling quite a few actresses could have played Buffy as well as SMG without any detriment to the show - however Willow and Giles are perfectly cast.

Ever seen the original pilot with a different actress playing Willow /shudder!
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Old 05-07-2013, 03:09
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Or if it was drug and alcohol related, then perhaps they allowed it because they believed it was for the best? Anyway, I guess we'll never know!

I'm now resuming S3 of Buffy! Up to the episode where Buffy's mum goes to watch her slaying and they find the dead kids *forgot name!*
That was my theory. David is the star of the show. Without him there is no 'Angel'. If he wanted his friend in the show, I think he could pull some strings.

Seth Green is a God-awful actor.
I disagree. Oz is suppose to be very expressionless and monotone. It's mentioned in the show how laid back he is. He was acting how he was suppose to.
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Old 05-07-2013, 06:16
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Buffy voted 8th in Entertainment Weekly's All-Time Greatest TV Show. Would've had it a bit higher myself, but a few of the shows above it i havent seen, so cant really comment. But list overall very accurate!!!!
It's a bit of an odd list as the number 10 entry Your Show Of Shows was broadcast from 1950-1954, and the vast majority of it no longer exists, so I guess whoever put together the list has a really good memory.

Putting Ally McBeal at 77 hurts the list, in my 'umble opinion anyway, given how bad the final season of that was.

And Doctor Who is slumming it at 65. I demand a recount!
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