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Old 19-07-2013, 15:17
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I think the circumstances surrounding when it happened should be considered as well tho.

From reading things in the press etc, I think you do very much get the impression that he did want to get clean.

Like the article about the 'leading a double live' - clean in LA / back to his partying ways in Canda.

When he is back in Canada, hanging around with the same friends - who possibly don't support his sober / drug free life - has he lost the support that he normally receives when in LA.

Purely speculating but:

He had been in Canada since the 6th July (i'm sure that's the date i read), there have been some pictures where he doesn't look like he is on drugs. I think he also met up with his agent or someone for Tea the day before - and from all accounts seemed happy / healthy and not using.

So I wonder if he had really been trying to avoid slipping back in his old ways.

But then on his last night in Canada he meets up with some friends and decides to go for a drink - which ends up being a heavy night (as its his last night in Canada for a while maybe?!?) - he ends up back in the same crowd where he can get hold of anything he needs to.

When people are drunk it's far easier to loose that self control.

Obviously this is just purely speculating...and possibly a load of rubbish.

I think that calling him a waste of space is wrong. I was watching interviews with him last night - and he always seemed happy and kind to the people he was with.

I don't know why his death has shocked me (and bothered me) more than any other celebrity death...but it has.

So then he should never of gone back to Canada 6 weeks after rehab if that is true, he also did not stay with friends or family and was staying in a hotel. It all seems very strange if was indeed trying to remain clean. MOO

ETA - i knew i had seen this but did not want to post until i found the article

http://www.tmz.com/2013/07/15/cory-m...e-shop-photos/ - he was clearly back drinking in the days leading up to his death, he was a alcoholic so he had clearly relapsed by this stage
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Old 19-07-2013, 15:27
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Did Cory really want to Quit when he went into Rehab in April, if he was addicted to Heroin and back boozing and whatever else he was using then a month in rehab was never enough time to clean up his act and that points to it being half arsed imo.
I don't think anyone can say one way or the other what he was using at the time he went into rehab in April. However, yes if he wanted to get clean, I think 30 days is long enough for him to detox but possibly not enough for him to get into the right mental state.
Sources say he wanted to get clean, he couldn't enter rehab without his consent unless he was sectioned and that didn't happen so I've no reason to believe he didn't do it with a desire to stop his alcohol and drugs problems.

So then he should never of gone back to Canada 6 weeks after rehab if that is true, he also did not stay with friends or family and was staying in a hotel. It all seems very strange if was indeed trying to remain clean. MOO

ETA - i knew i had seen this but did not want to post until i found the article

http://www.tmz.com/2013/07/15/cory-m...e-shop-photos/ - he was clearly back drinking in the days leading up to his death, he was a alcoholic so he had clearly relapsed by this stage
He isn't drinking at all, the photos show someone else holding a can of alcohol. It's no more proof that Cory was drinking than him standing in front of a rack of tinnys in a supermarket.
As for him staying in a hotel, he usually did stay in a hotel when visiting his family in Vancouver, so there's nothing unusual in that either. In addition, his first acting coach and close friend Andrew McIlroy has said the people Cory was seen out with during his last couple of days in Vancouver were not "druggies" but were people that he was at acting class with.
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Old 19-07-2013, 15:37
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I don't think anyone can say one way or the other what he was using at the time he went into rehab in April. However, yes if he wanted to get clean, I think 30 days is long enough for him to detox but possibly not enough for him to get into the right mental state.
Sources say he wanted to get clean, he couldn't enter rehab without his consent unless he was sectioned and that didn't happen so I've no reason to believe he didn't do it with a desire to stop his alcohol and drugs problems.



He isn't drinking at all, the photos show someone else holding a can of alcohol. It's no more proof that Cory was drinking than him standing in front of a rack of tinnys in a supermarket.
As for him staying in a hotel, he usually did stay in a hotel when visiting his family in Vancouver, so there's nothing unusual in that either. In addition, his first acting coach and close friend Andrew McIlroy has said the people Cory was seen out with during his last couple of days in Vancouver were not "druggies" but were people that he was at acting class with.
Witness state he was seen drinking. I hardly think they would lie, you can clearly see him with friends who are holding beers.

http://zeenews.india.com/entertainme...ath_139150.htm

He had clearly relapsed again before the Saturday he died and this time it sadly killed him.
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Old 19-07-2013, 15:47
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Witness state he was seen drinking. I hardly think they would lie, you can clearly see him with friends who are holding beers.

http://zeenews.india.com/entertainme...ath_139150.htm

He had clearly relapsed again before the Saturday he died and this time it sadly killed him.
There's nothing in that link that proves he was, it doesn't even have any quotes from anyone. If he was drinking in public, why is there no picture? There were clearly photographers there as there is the picture of his friend holding some cans of beer that you already posted.

Clearly? Nothing is clear. We're all just speculating. He may have been clean and sober since rehab until the time he died for all we know.
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Old 19-07-2013, 15:55
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There's nothing in that link that proves he was, it doesn't even have any quotes from anyone. If he was drinking in public, why is there no picture? There were clearly photographers there as there is the picture of his friend holding some cans of beer that you already posted.

Clearly? Nothing is clear. We're all just speculating. He may have been clean and sober since rehab until the time he died for all we know.
Because nobody knew what would happen days later, and it may of been a fan photo who saw him and took a photo . Nothing to indicate it was paps who took the photos .
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Old 19-07-2013, 16:05
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Witness state he was seen drinking. I hardly think they would lie, you can clearly see him with friends who are holding beers.

http://zeenews.india.com/entertainme...ath_139150.htm

He had clearly relapsed again before the Saturday he died and this time it sadly killed him.
I didn't say he hadn't been drinking, I said those photos don't show him drinking. The only quotes I've seen say he was seen to drink "three beers" over the course of an afternoon. Considering he'd frequently been seen with none alcoholic beef there is nothing to say the "beer" he was drinking was alcoholic.
He clearly had been drinking on the night of his death as alcohol was found in his system. As no-one knows what percentage that was, or what percentage of heroin there was in his blood stream, it's impossible to say that he hadn't "intended" to get clean.

However, there also other "sources" quoted in other news reports who say he wasn't drinking.

And although Cory spent his last night alive at Portside bar with friends, the source, who was there, insists he was not drinking. “It is so tragic that he is being portrayed as drinking heavily,” the source says, “as it wasn’t apparent he was intoxicated at all.”
Because nobody knew what would happen days later, and it may of been a fan photo who saw him and took a photo . Nothing to indicate it was paps who took the photos .
It was the paps, those photos first appeared on TMZ which is a news site renowned for its scandalous coverage of celebrities.

He may have been clean and sober since rehab until the time he died for all we know.
Exactly. Until the Coroner's investigation is finished and (if and when) the information comes out about his final couple of days, anything anyone says is nothing more than speculation.
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Old 19-07-2013, 17:03
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Booze and drugs then. Speculation was right. So sad. What a waste. Why do kids even start with either one? No one to blame but yourself. Foolish.
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Old 19-07-2013, 17:37
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Booze and drugs then. Speculation was right. So sad. What a waste. Why do kids even start with either one? No one to blame but yourself. Foolish.
He started when he was 13 and has said he was struggling both at school and at home. Who knows what specific incident it was set him off but there's plenty of people who are "there but for the grace of *insert whatever deity etc here* go I".
He'd also never tried to blame anyone else for his choices or his addictions and had done plenty to make sure kids in a similar situation to him had alternatives to turning to drink or drugs.
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Old 20-07-2013, 06:31
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He started when he was 13 and has said he was struggling both at school and at home. Who knows what specific incident it was set him off but there's plenty of people who are "there but for the grace of *insert whatever deity etc here* go I".
He'd also never tried to blame anyone else for his choices or his addictions and had done plenty to make sure kids in a similar situation to him had alternatives to turning to drink or drugs.
BIB - This what I cannot understand, the sanctimonious types who preach like they've never done anything wrong and their shit don't stink. Most of us are one pay cheque away from homelessness and I believe most of us are one drink away from using alcohol as a crutch when things go bad.

Some people can use alcohol/drugs recreationally and never have a problem, other people (with addictive personality disorder) too much is never enough.

It's not always the case that an addict has to feel 'bad' or they are depressed before getting drunk/high, often it's the opposite, they feel great and in a good mood, they feel taking drink/drugs will increase their enjoyment.

A lot of addiction is based on association, what someone associates the addiction with. To most of us, heroin would be something to avoid, but for someone who has tried it and liked it, it's something they are comfortable with, it's familiar.

At times of enjoyment and at times of stress we all go back to what makes us comfortable, what we are familiar with.
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Old 20-07-2013, 09:49
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Am I the only person who thinks its terrible that Cory's dad has revealed things like how Cory would steal money from his mum for drugs? His son hasn't been dead a week and he's selling stories. Terrible
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Old 20-07-2013, 09:58
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Am I the only person who thinks its terrible that Cory's dad has revealed things like how Cory would steal money from his mum for drugs? His son hasn't been dead a week and he's selling stories. Terrible
I've just seen that story and I too thought it was a bit soon for those type of stories. I can now see why there's some conflict within the family.
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Old 20-07-2013, 10:08
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Did Cory actually have a drinking problem or was it only the drugs he was addicted to? Did he go to rehab for both or only for drugs.
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Old 20-07-2013, 10:57
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BIB - This what I cannot understand, the sanctimonious types who preach like they've never done anything wrong and their shit don't stink. Most of us are one pay cheque away from homelessness and I believe most of us are one drink away from using alcohol as a crutch when things go bad.

Some people can use alcohol/drugs recreationally and never have a problem, other people (with addictive personality disorder) too much is never enough.

It's not always the case that an addict has to feel 'bad' or they are depressed before getting drunk/high, often it's the opposite, they feel great and in a good mood, they feel taking drink/drugs will increase their enjoyment.

A lot of addiction is based on association, what someone associates the addiction with. To most of us, heroin would be something to avoid, but for someone who has tried it and liked it, it's something they are comfortable with, it's familiar.

At times of enjoyment and at times of stress we all go back to what makes us comfortable, what we are familiar with.
Exactly, it's too easy to sit in judgement from the outside when people have no idea of inset into what situation the person was in at the time they first turned to drink or drugs. And, as you say, often it has nothing to do with them being depressed but being in a "happy place" and wanting the buzz that comes from alcohol or drugs.

Am I the only person who thinks its terrible that Cory's dad has revealed things like how Cory would steal money from his mum for drugs? His son hasn't been dead a week and he's selling stories. Terrible
Well Cory's spoken about it himself in the past so I guess the knowledge is already out there. I suspect a lot of it might be a way to seem "involved" in Cory's life and death because for a lot of years he hadn't had anything to do with his son. I guess he could also be feeling overlooked or aggrieved that he wasn't able to see Cory's body (if the cremation story is true) so I can see, if not agree with, the reasons for what he's doing.

Did Cory actually have a drinking problem or was it only the drugs he was addicted to? Did he go to rehab for both or only for drugs.
He went to rehab for substance abuse, it hasn't been specified what but he has spoken in the past about problems with both alcohol and drugs.
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Old 20-07-2013, 11:07
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Don't think that calling it an illness absolves the addict of responsibility but clearly classifies it as a medical problem rather than a criminal one. A diabetic has an illness and also takes responsibility for getting the right treatment, eating the right food etc.
That's an insulting comparison. People don't choose to take diabetic pills just to see what it's like and then tragically become addicted to being diabetic. Diabetes is an illness that the majority of people, especially young people, cannot help.

I think you are missing the point. Cory wasn't an adult when he became addicted to drugs. He was 13. Did you make adult decisions at 13?! He was a child and for whatever reason he was driven to drugs. He fought that addiction until the age of 31.

By the time he became an adult he had been addicted to drugs for several years, he obviously did try to beat his addiction and was very open about it and it is incredibly sad that he didn't beat his addiction.
Thirteen is MORE than old enough to take responsibility for not taking drugs. Thirteen year olds know the dangers of drugs very well.
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Old 20-07-2013, 11:33
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Thirteen is MORE than old enough to take responsibility for not taking drugs. Thirteen year olds know the dangers of drugs very well.
Simply not true. Some 13-year-olds will know the dangers of drugs, others will be completely clueless, they're not a homogeneous unit all endowed with the same knowledge.
And, whether they were aware of the dangers or not, that still does not account for individual circumstances which may lead to alcohol or drugs.

It's incredibly easy to sit on top of that high horse and make a statement about responsibilities and claims of what you (generic you) would or wouldn't have done surrounding drink and drugs but no-one can say with 100% certainty that it would "never happen to me". Everyone has a breaking point and, fortunately, most people will never be in a position to reach it.

Demi Lovato has written an interesting article about her early struggles with addition and it gives a lot of insight not only to the pressures facing youngsters in Hollywood but also the temptations they are subjected to by unscrupulous people.

Cory Monteith resisted those pressures and those temptations for 10 years. We don't know what caused the relapse but I'd put money on it being at someone else's instigation and ultimately it cost him his life.
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Old 20-07-2013, 11:34
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That's an insulting comparison. People don't choose to take diabetic pills just to see what it's like and then tragically become addicted to being diabetic. Diabetes is an illness that the majority of people, especially young people, cannot help.


Thirteen is MORE than old enough to take responsibility for not taking drugs. Thirteen year olds know the dangers of drugs very well.
The point was about diseases/illness requiring the suffer to take daily responsibility for their condition and treating it, avoiding some foods etc.

There are also an increasing number, maybe not a majority, of people who are developing diabetes because of poor diet and obesity or what some might call an addiction to food. How is that really that different?
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Old 20-07-2013, 11:46
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Simply not true. Some 13-year-olds will know the dangers of drugs, others will be completely clueless, they're not a homogeneous unit all endowed with the same knowledge.
And, whether they were aware of the dangers or not, that still does not account for individual circumstances which may lead to alcohol or drugs.

It's incredibly easy to sit on top of that high horse and make a statement about responsibilities and claims of what you (generic you) would or wouldn't have done surrounding drink and drugs but no-one can say with 100% certainty that it would "never happen to me". Everyone has a breaking point and, fortunately, most people will never be in a position to reach it.

Demi Lovato has written an interesting article about her early struggles with addition and it gives a lot of insight not only to the pressures facing youngsters in Hollywood but also the temptations they are subjected to by unscrupulous people.

Cory Monteith resisted those pressures and those temptations for 10 years. We don't know what caused the relapse but I'd put money on it being at someone else's instigation and ultimately it cost him his life.
Of course 13 year olds are tempted to indulge in illegal substances and often do, but education in schools regarding drugs is very rigourous indeed and I would bet most kids are more clued up than I and many parents are.
Taking drugs, either for the first or last time is ultimately the users choice and no one elses. I am totally sympathetic to drug addicts and the huge battle they have with their addiction, but it is their addiction and no one elses unless they administered it to him illegally.
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Old 20-07-2013, 12:59
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Of course 13 year olds are tempted to indulge in illegal substances and often do, but education in schools regarding drugs is very rigourous indeed and I would bet most kids are more clued up than I and many parents are.
Taking drugs, either for the first or last time is ultimately the users choice and no one elses. I am totally sympathetic to drug addicts and the huge battle they have with their addiction, but it is their addiction and no one elses unless they administered it to him illegally.
Yes children are educated in schools regarding drugs but part of Cory Monteith's problems as a child involved schools. He was in and out of around 12 different ones, including those for kids "with issues" before he left aged 16 without any qualifications.

And while education today may be far more clued up to the dangers of drugs and alcohol, it certainly wasn't when I was at school in the 1980s. The first big drugs related story and subsequent warning about the dangers of drugs that I remember as a teenager came when Grange Hill ran a story surrounding Zammo's problems. That was in 1986 when I was 16 and resulted in the "Just Say No" campaign.
Before that there'd been pretty much no education regarding the dangers of drugs, or alcohol for that matter, that I can remember at all. We had basic sex education and the consequences of that but I don't remember anything at all in a formal setting about drink or drugs until Grange Hill tackled the issue and created a media debate.

I also don't think anyone is absolving addicts, or Cory Monteith specifically, of taking that first step by using drugs and alcohol. However, as I said previously, no-one knows what the circumstances were surrounding that, other than what Cory himself has said about him not knowing where his place was, having confidence issues and other problems regarding his home life and school, and it's incredibly easy to state from a position of "comfort" that it was his choice to do so.
Of course it was, but it's one that most people don't ever find themselves in thankfully and no-one can say with 100% certainty that they would never do it because no-one knows what they would do if faced with a similar breaking point situation.
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Old 20-07-2013, 13:28
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Of course 13 year olds are tempted to indulge in illegal substances and often do, but education in schools regarding drugs is very rigourous indeed and I would bet most kids are more clued up than I and many parents are.
Taking drugs, either for the first or last time is ultimately the users choice and no one elses. I am totally sympathetic to drug addicts and the huge battle they have with their addiction, but it is their addiction and no one elses unless they administered it to him illegally.
Yes, schools have have eduction in place now to teach kids the dangers of drink and drugs, but remember Cory was 13 in 1995 - nearly 20 years ago. No sure if there was as much eduction back then.
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Old 20-07-2013, 13:39
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It would depend on the school. I remember some from when I was in high school, I'm a few years older than Cory, but it was later than 13 more like 15 or 16.
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Old 20-07-2013, 17:36
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Yes, schools have have eduction in place now to teach kids the dangers of drink and drugs, but remember Cory was 13 in 1995 - nearly 20 years ago. No sure if there was as much eduction back then.
It would depend on the school. I remember some from when I was in high school, I'm a few years older than Cory, but it was later than 13 more like 15 or 16.
Also it may be that the education system in Canada is different to that of the UK when it comes to drugs, alcohol etc. I have no idea what they teach kids in Canada about additions and other temptations they may face while growing up.
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Old 21-07-2013, 23:49
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Yet there are many people who find fame young and don't feel the urge to shove needles in their arm or drink themselves stupid.
^^^^^ just this really.
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Old 21-07-2013, 23:53
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There you go making assumptions because it suits what you wish to believe.

Yes, I was aware that Mr Monteith gave to charity. Perhaps if he'd given a bit more, he wouldn't have had so much to spend on drink and drugs.

The truth, which you seem so fond of, is that Mr Monteith died because he took drugs and drank, despite knowing full well what would happen if he continued that lifestyle. Conclusion: he liked drink and drugs more than he liked being alive. That is sad, but it also makes him a waste of space.
^^^^ this, again.
i started a thread this morning (which seems to have been removed) saying the same thing and asking if it is appropriate that the 3rd episode of the new series is going to be a tribute to him. i asked then and i will ask again...is this not just validating drug use and the skanky nature of users?
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Old 22-07-2013, 00:31
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^^^^ this, again.
i started a thread this morning (which seems to have been removed) saying the same thing and asking if it is appropriate that the 3rd episode of the new series is going to be a tribute to him. i asked then and i will ask again...is this not just validating drug use and the skanky nature of users?
BIB - there is the clue. Vile rants aren't welcome on Digital Spy.
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Old 22-07-2013, 00:38
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Some of these latest comments are pretty shocking to me. So Glee should just erase his existence in the show and offer no tribute at all

He struggled with addiction and yes he gave a bit of money and support to charity but obviously not enough or he wouldn't be dead now

Part of me wonders if he would still be here now had he not got involved with Glee
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