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Old 24-07-2013, 00:39
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I see no 'for sale sign' on her head, and no one has seen the babies head (that would be ridiculous as that scan is obviously private) to see a 'for sale' sign on that too

Again you have misrepresented my comments in your posts - where have I stated that PAs age has been a major consideration in anything? I have clearly stated a biological fact, and emphasised that this may have been a consideration for Emily - not PA. Of course the word may denotes speculation on my part... it may have nothing to do with his age - it may be that she just loves little baby clothes and wants to have a baby to have a legitimate excuse to buy them

I am not aware that she has any parental rights or responsibilities or exerts any influence over how PAs children by KP are raised - so how can you compare how she will raise her child with those that she has no authority over?

I am not aware that she has ever received monetary gain from her relationship with PA- from the TV show or from any other means. so by your own logic:

As to the "right to judge" have we got the right to judge anyone? I guess the answer is no, but we do. Particularly those who make their living selling every aspect of their lives for public consumption.


It seems that you are perturbed by the fact she is educated but wants to start a family and that is the crux of your posts - and have resorted to dragging tax payers like myself into the argument, and widly speculating about how a baby may be raised

As a tax payer and a feminist I will never object to women choosing to have children when they are ready - firstly because we have an aging population and we need more births to generate the next generation of taxpayer to provide for those who are older - and secondly who should dictate the age of a woman to start a family as long as it is within the laws of the land which states 16 as the age of consent for sex and therefore becoming pregnant!

Lets face it.. what has she really done to deserve anyone's wrath... apart from get a degree and want to start a family!

You presume a lot, and most of it is inaccurate.

If you choose to have children with a man who has form selling his kid, you reap what you sow.
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Old 24-07-2013, 01:21
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Maybe I'm being cynical but there is no doubt in my mind that this couple will make a huge amount of money out of this pregnancy and once it's born this baby.

I imagine the haggling with OK! and Now! and all the other tatty weeklys for first picture and interview exclusives are already well under way. It's just more fodder to keep PAs gravy train rolling.
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Old 24-07-2013, 02:42
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Over 50% of medical students are female... by the time they finish studying their specialty they will be in their late 20's early 30's and will have to start trying for a family fairly quickly... this is going to put a great strain on the NHS... I don't know how this problem can be resolved... I have recently been spending a lot of time in various departments of the local hospital and was amazed at how many of the female Dr's were pregnant... one of them explained the above to me and said she would be taking the minimum maternity as she was hoping to have another baby the year after so she had the two children she wanted under 35... I have the utmost respect for the choices female Dr's have to make and one of the reasons there are fewer females in the high profile positions is that by the time they have specialised in those fields they are pushing the 35 mark and trying to get pregnant/parent while having a very high pressured job... I would imagine although it was not said there is a lot of pressure for Dr's to take the minimum maternity leave... having a baby early might seem a better option but I think 60-80 hour weeks for trainees are fairly common so you would miss so much... difficult choices.

A bit of topic but I thought people might be interested.
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Old 24-07-2013, 06:58
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I see no 'for sale sign' on her head, and no one has seen the babies head (that would be ridiculous as that scan is obviously private) to see a 'for sale' sign on that too

Again you have misrepresented my comments in your posts - where have I stated that PAs age has been a major consideration in anything? I have clearly stated a biological fact, and emphasised that this may have been a consideration for Emily - not PA. Of course the word may denotes speculation on my part... it may have nothing to do with his age - it may be that she just loves little baby clothes and wants to have a baby to have a legitimate excuse to buy them

I am not aware that she has any parental rights or responsibilities or exerts any influence over how PAs children by KP are raised - so how can you compare how she will raise her child with those that she has no authority over?

I am not aware that she has ever received monetary gain from her relationship with PA- from the TV show or from any other means. so by your own logic:

As to the "right to judge" have we got the right to judge anyone? I guess the answer is no, but we do. Particularly those who make their living selling every aspect of their lives for public consumption.


It seems that you are perturbed by the fact she is educated but wants to start a family and that is the crux of your posts - and have resorted to dragging tax payers like myself into the argument, and widly speculating about how a baby may be raised

As a tax payer and a feminist I will never object to women choosing to have children when they are ready - firstly because we have an aging population and we need more births to generate the next generation of taxpayer to provide for those who are older - and secondly who should dictate the age of a woman to start a family as long as it is within the laws of the land which states 16 as the age of consent for sex and therefore becoming pregnant!

Lets face it.. what has she really done to deserve anyone's wrath... apart from get a degree and want to start a family!



& yet in an earlier post you said this:

as women should be trying to complete their families before the age of 35.

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Old 24-07-2013, 08:34
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& yet in an earlier post you said this:

as women should be trying to complete their families before the age of 35.

The reason for women to try to complete their families before 35 is a biological one - women can have children after 35 but there are greater risks

Did you not know that the complications and risks associated with pregnancy greatly increase after the age of 35?
Women can choose to have children whenever they like, but genetically after 35 there are increased risks and difficulties in getting pregnant at all

[I]If you're a mum-to-be over 35 you are also more likely to experience complications with your pregnancy. These can include:
病n ectopic pregnancy
頻lacenta praevia


Your premature baby
病 premature birth
病 low-birth-weight baby

Age 35 is also the point when Down's syndrome and other conditions become more of a concern. At 30 to 34 years of age, your chances of having a baby with Down's is about one in 1,200. When you're aged between 35 and 39, your chances rise to about one in 700.
[/i]

http://www.babycentre.co.uk/a1013994...#ixzz2Zwg5apvj

Its a woman's choice as to when she starts a family, but there are clear biological arguments for having them earlier rather than later.

I just can't believe how are attacking someone for been pregnant - well I say congratulations to them! They are clearly happy and luckily no matter how much debate there is on here it won't affect their decision - motherhood is the best job in the world - the queen was quoted as saying yesterday... and I would agree!
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Old 24-07-2013, 08:50
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Couldnt give a stuff as to when she starts a family, its her right and business, she will hardly be scraping around for childcare so that she can continue studying/working just to make ends meet.
What I do care about is the way shes allowing herself and her pregnancy to be used as a marketing tool to support the fading career of her b/friend, that Im afraid shows quite clearly, in her, a general lack of value towards such things in life, not the characteristics people want to see in any one associated with the medical profession.
Due to the fact of who the father is she is well aware of what light any publicity surrounding her and her child is going to be shown/used in, and yet despite this, she seems quite happy to smile and play along with any publicity stunt he decides to use her in, just hope the conception of this child was a happy accident and didnt coincide with his obvious competitive annoyance at KP pregnancy
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Old 24-07-2013, 08:52
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The reason for women to try to complete their families before 35 is a biological one - women can have children after 35 but there are greater risks

Did you not know that the complications and risks associated with pregnancy greatly increase after the age of 35?
Women can choose to have children whenever they like, but genetically after 35 there are increased risks and difficulties in getting pregnant at all

[I]If you're a mum-to-be over 35 you are also more likely to experience complications with your pregnancy. These can include:
病n ectopic pregnancy
頻lacenta praevia


Your premature baby
病 premature birth
病 low-birth-weight baby

Age 35 is also the point when Down's syndrome and other conditions become more of a concern. At 30 to 34 years of age, your chances of having a baby with Down's is about one in 1,200. When you're aged between 35 and 39, your chances rise to about one in 700.
[/i]

http://www.babycentre.co.uk/a1013994...#ixzz2Zwg5apvj

Its a woman's choice as to when she starts a family, but there are clear biological arguments for having them earlier rather than later.

I just can't believe how are attacking someone for been pregnant - well I say congratulations to them! They are clearly happy and luckily no matter how much debate there is on here it won't affect their decision - motherhood is the best job in the world - the queen was quoted as saying yesterday... and I would agree!

THIS. Her lst child as well. It's not as if she is having kids with every Tom. Dick or Harry, and the tax payer will not be paying for them . Wonder how many of the folk attacking her have children themselves. As l have said before on one of these threads, its Unbelievable.

Must congratulate you on your last few posts lion5. Excellent.
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Old 24-07-2013, 09:05
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Couldnt give a stuff as to when she starts a family, its her right and business, she will hardly be scraping around for childcare so that she can continue studying/working just to make ends meet.
What I do care about is the way shes allowing herself and her pregnancy to be used as a marketing tool to support the fading career of her b/friend, that Im afraid shows quite clearly, in her, a general lack of value towards such things in life, not the characteristics people want to see in any one associated with the medical profession.
Due to the fact of who the father is she is well aware of what light any publicity surrounding her and her child is going to be shown/used in, and yet despite this, she seems quite happy to smile and play along with any publicity stunt he decides to use her in, just hope the conception of this child was a happy accident and didnt coincide with his obvious competitive annoyance at KP pregnancy
This, really. Trying to make a feminist argument out of a wannabe zeleb getting knocked up by a full-on media whore is giving the situation way more gravitas than it deserves.
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Old 24-07-2013, 09:11
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The reason for women to try to complete their families before 35 is a biological one - women can have children after 35 but there are greater risks

Did you not know that the complications and risks associated with pregnancy greatly increase after the age of 35?
Women can choose to have children whenever they like, but genetically after 35 there are increased risks and difficulties in getting pregnant at all
[I]If you're a mum-to-be over 35 you are also more likely to experience complications with your pregnancy. These can include:
病n ectopic pregnancy
頻lacenta praevia


Your premature baby
病 premature birth
病 low-birth-weight baby

Age 35 is also the point when Down's syndrome and other conditions become more of a concern. At 30 to 34 years of age, your chances of having a baby with Down's is about one in 1,200. When you're aged between 35 and 39, your chances rise to about one in 700.
[/i]

http://www.babycentre.co.uk/a1013994...#ixzz2Zwg5apvj

Its a woman's choice as to when she starts a family, but there are clear biological arguments for having them earlier rather than later.

I just can't believe how are attacking someone for been pregnant - well I say congratulations to them! They are clearly happy and luckily no matter how much debate there is on here it won't affect their decision - motherhood is the best job in the world - the queen was quoted as saying yesterday... and I would agree!




I am aware of all this, I don't need a lesson in biology.

The fact is you said that women should not be dictated to regarding the age they try for a baby and then say that they SHOULD try by 35. That's a complete contradiction. Life isn't black and white and these days, having babies in your 40's is common and I have many friends who have carried full term healthy babies at 40+. It's not always possible for MANY reasons for women to have baies by the age of 35 and they should not be lectured if they fail to do so.
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Old 24-07-2013, 09:16
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Couldnt give a stuff as to when she starts a family, its her right and business, she will hardly be scraping around for childcare so that she can continue studying/working just to make ends meet.
What I do care about is the way shes allowing herself and her pregnancy to be used as a marketing tool to support the fading career of her b/friend, that Im afraid shows quite clearly, in her, a general lack of value towards such things in life, not the characteristics people want to see in any one associated with the medical profession.
Due to the fact of who the father is she is well aware of what light any publicity surrounding her and her child is going to be shown/used in, and yet despite this, she seems quite happy to smile and play along with any publicity stunt he decides to use her in, just hope the conception of this child was a happy accident and didnt coincide with his obvious competitive annoyance at KP pregnancy
THIS! I don't know why fans of PA not see it clearly?
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Old 24-07-2013, 09:19
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This, really. Trying to make a feminist argument out of a wannabe zeleb getting knocked up by a full-on media whore is giving the situation way more gravitas than it deserves.
Yep. My personal view comes from my brother going through medical training and seeing the toll it takes. It's exhausting for a fit, healthy single person in their 20's, let alone with a child thrown into the mix. The thing with medicine as well is the degree is actually a very small part of the actual career path, it's the years after the degree that really puts you on the path and I just think it will be harder to pick up where you left off in medicine than in most other professions if you haven't even started the training.

Though my fit, healthy, intelligent doctor brother was actually born when my mum was 42 - and she was a midwife at the time!
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Old 24-07-2013, 10:39
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I think the clear dislike for PA by some is clouding their views on why a young woman would want a baby for the right reasons and is happy about it.

Why would a few who wouldn't like anything they did or didn't do, make her take any notice at all when she is doing exactly what she wants.

Why not give them your blessings on a lovely new baby to be, which will bring them both joy and happiness, it is better for the soul to be generous, why not give it a try.
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Old 24-07-2013, 10:56
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Couldnt give a stuff as to when she starts a family, its her right and business, she will hardly be scraping around for childcare so that she can continue studying/working just to make ends meet.
What I do care about is the way shes allowing herself and her pregnancy to be used as a marketing tool to support the fading career of her b/friend, that Im afraid shows quite clearly, in her, a general lack of value towards such things in life, not the characteristics people want to see in any one associated with the medical profession.
Due to the fact of who the father is she is well aware of what light any publicity surrounding her and her child is going to be shown/used in, and yet despite this, she seems quite happy to smile and play along with any publicity stunt he decides to use her in, just hope the conception of this child was a happy accident and didnt coincide with his obvious competitive annoyance at KP pregnancy
Yup.
I genuinely can't understand why people can't see the REAL issue.
I had my kids when I was fairly young aswell, so for me her age isn't a problem.
As far as I'm concerned what bothers me is WHEN she is having her baby and WHO she is having it with.
By choosing PA as the father of her child, like it or not (and personally I think she flipping loves it) she has opened herself up for public scrutiny.
You cannot demand privacy when you have aligned yourself with a man who has willingly sold every single aspect of his AND HIS CURRENT CHILDREN'S lives.
As he has been so unashamed in promoting himself as a doting father by using his children at every opportunity, it is hardly unexpected when many of us do not believe for a second that he will not do exactly the same thing before and after this baby arrives.
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Old 24-07-2013, 11:01
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I think the clear dislike for PA by some is clouding their views on why a young woman would want a baby for the right reasons and is happy about it.

Why would a few who wouldn't like anything they did or didn't do, make her take any notice at all when she is doing exactly what she wants.

Why not give them your blessings on a lovely new baby to be, which will bring them both joy and happiness, it is better for the soul to be generous, why not give it a try.
It works both ways. I'm absolutely certain that a lot of Peter Andre fans are forcing themselves to be joyous and positive about this news when deep down in side they are horrified. It seems just five minutes ago the general consensus was that PA and Emily were proper and noble and sensible and not rushing into things...now they are having to reverse ferret. Fans are rarely openly critical of their heros.
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Old 24-07-2013, 11:10
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Couldnt give a stuff as to when she starts a family, its her right and business, she will hardly be scraping around for childcare so that she can continue studying/working just to make ends meet.
What I do care about is the way shes allowing herself and her pregnancy to be used as a marketing tool to support the fading career of her b/friend, that Im afraid shows quite clearly, in her, a general lack of value towards such things in life, not the characteristics people want to see in any one associated with the medical profession.
Due to the fact of who the father is she is well aware of what light any publicity surrounding her and her child is going to be shown/used in, and yet despite this, she seems quite happy to smile and play along with any publicity stunt he decides to use her in, just hope the conception of this child was a happy accident and didnt coincide with his obvious competitive annoyance at KP pregnancy
BIB - Exactly. But typical on PA threads, the 'supporters' prefer to ignore the real issue which is of course the self-serving, soul-selling father.
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Old 24-07-2013, 11:13
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It works both ways. I'm absolutely certain that a lot of Peter Andre fans are forcing themselves to be joyous and positive about this news when deep down in side they are horrified. It seems just five minutes ago the general consensus was that PA and Emily were proper and noble and sensible and not rushing into things...now they are having to reverse ferret. Fans are rarely openly critical of their heros.
Oh completely.
It kind of puts paid to all of the "he's doing it differently and properly this time" comments.
They've been dating for less than a year and they don't even live together yet.
Doesn't sound all that "different and proper" to me.
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Old 24-07-2013, 11:21
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I think the clear dislike for PA by some is clouding their views on why a young woman would want a baby for the right reasons and is happy about it.

Why would a few who wouldn't like anything they did or didn't do, make her take any notice at all when she is doing exactly what she wants.

Why not give them your blessings on a lovely new baby to be, which will bring them both joy and happiness, it is better for the soul to be generous, why not give it a try.
Think whats really clouding the issue of such joyous news is the way that both of them degraded it to the level of using it as a promotional publicity stunt!
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Old 24-07-2013, 11:25
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Think whats really clouding the issue of such joyous news is the way that both of them degraded it to the level of using it as a promotional publicity stunt!
And selling that news (Emily is pregnant) for financial gain to a magazine.why not just release a statement
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Old 24-07-2013, 11:27
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I would never slate Emily for having a baby at 23 when I was 22 when I had my son....
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Old 24-07-2013, 12:41
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I would never slate Emily for having a baby at 23 when I was 22 when I had my son....
I wouldn't slate anyone for having a baby because of their age - I was 33 when little lion was born, if I have another cub it will be when I am 38 at the earliest (because of my career) but this is assuming that I can get pregnant then, and deliver a healthy baby - the fears of my eggs not been as fresh as they once were is making me consider if little lion is enough... and if by starting my family so late on that I will have an only child!

My sister has had her children much younger and I can see that advantages of this - and in some ways I am jealous that she has access to flexible working that I have out manoeuvred myself for by putting my happiness on hold for a career.

I have colleagues who have managed to have children in their 40, but IVF is expensive both financially and emotionally and seen them struggle with the results of nuchal and amniocentesis testing, and more sadly not get pregnant at all -which is heart breaking when someone has a strong maternal instinct and would make an excellent mum...

Like it or not mother nature sets limits of childbirth - not me...

As I said earlier on there is never a perfect time to start a family- but Emily and PA seem happy and good luck to them.. its their choice (especially Emily's) they haven't done anything wrong.. so I can't see why people are been so mean about it all.

Even if the child is seen on TV or in magazines it will inevitably be loved, happy and have every opportunity ahead of it - I just think that some peoples dislike for PA is driving this attack on Emily rather than any sensible reason for it.

If people are outraged about this pregnancy may I suggest that you should never watch Jeremy Kyle - your head may actually explode: ...actually do watch an episode and you might realise that this theme on this thread is just shocking and mean
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Old 24-07-2013, 12:44
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I think the clear dislike for PA by some is clouding their views on why a young woman would want a baby for the right reasons and is happy about it.

Why would a few who wouldn't like anything they did or didn't do, make her take any notice at all when she is doing exactly what she wants.

Why not give them your blessings on a lovely new baby to be, which will bring them both joy and happiness, it is better for the soul to be generous, why not give it a try.
Didn't know how to multiquote - but this has a lovely sentiment - and one I agree wholeheartedly with!
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Old 24-07-2013, 13:27
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I had my daughter at a late age and got pregnant within weeks of deciding to try ... I flew through pregnancy.. Had no health issues and my daughter was 9lb 1oz ... I think a lot of the time it's down to the woman's health how a pregnancy progresses... Oh and I worked up until a week before she was born
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Old 24-07-2013, 13:59
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Think whats really clouding the issue of such joyous news is the way that both of them degraded it to the level of using it as a promotional publicity stunt!
Only in the eyes of those who would slate them both whatever they do or don't do.

A baby is lovely news for whoever it is, if it is wanted and loved, as no doubt this baby will be by both parents.

It gets really sad when a baby is now being brought into this by his detractors, it is their baby, their life and their choices. It is lovely news, why be so bitter about the whole situation.
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Old 24-07-2013, 14:39
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I had my daughter at a late age and got pregnant within weeks of deciding to try ... I flew through pregnancy.. Had no health issues and my daughter was 9lb 1oz ... I think a lot of the time it's down to the woman's health how a pregnancy progresses... Oh and I worked up until a week before she was born
I was 36 when I fell pregnant, 2nd month of trying. Mum fell pregnant at 41 after thinking 'if it happens, it happens' when she met my step dad at 40. Friend at work fell pregnant at 44 after thinking the same thing.

Possibly because of the industry I work in but most of my friends are reasonably career minded (but not in a Katie Hopkins way ) but the first of my friends to have a baby was 33. At age 30 no one had kids, at age 40, we all did and not an IVF amongst us
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Old 24-07-2013, 15:37
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Well, at least his next series might have a slightly different theme than him "suffering"
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