I didn't know Shelley had been treated so badly during the making of The Shining. That's put a bit of dark cloud over the film now, which I usually enjoy. Anyway, hope she gets the help she needs.
I didn't know Shelley had been treated so badly during the making of The Shining. That's put a bit of dark cloud over the film now, which I usually enjoy. Anyway, hope she gets the help she needs.
After hearing about this I googled 'Shelly Duvall Stanley Kubrick' and some of the stuff I read was disgusting. She is not the only one he treated this way. There was an older actor in it (I don't know who it is as I have not seen the film) and apparently he made him do a scene over and over again until he was crying and begging to stop.
EDIT: However she was treated by far the worst.
After hearing about this I googled 'Shelly Duvall Stanley Kubrick' and some of the stuff I read was disgusting. She is not the only one he treated this way. There was an older actor in it (I don't know who it is as I have not seen the film) and apparently he made him do a scene over and over again until he was crying and begging to stop.
EDIT: However she was treated by far the worst.
Erm a little known actor known as as jack Nicholson
I didn't know Shelley had been treated so badly during the making of The Shining. That's put a bit of dark cloud over the film now, which I usually enjoy. Anyway, hope she gets the help she needs.
IMO the whole film hinges on her performance. Forget Nicholson, its her reactions that give the film its real terror. (Similar with Veronica Cartwright in Alien, whom Ridley Scott played with - though not quite so extreme as Kubrick).
It's quite common for directors to do that but when they cross the line, it becomes a problem
Tom Cruise ended up with stomach ulcers when him and Stanley did Eyes wide shut. One incident required Tom Cruise to do a scene when he walks through a door to be done 60 times. Some say Stanley's tough treatment to both Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman during that film was one factor in why they eventually split up.
Then there is the infamous story of Alfred Hitchcock and Tippi Hedren during the making The Birds.
And Lars Von Trier put Bjork through hell during Dancer In The Dark. She spent most of the time refusing to come on set, spitting at him and telling him she hated him. She refused to ever do a movie ever again after that.
James Cameron's The Abyss was such a hard shoot that the cast and crew nicknamed it "The Abuse". Most of the people on the movie never worked with him again.
She's the complete opposite. A dedicated Scientologist, she disconnected from her family before her father's death and didn't even acknowledge the fact when her sister passed away.
If you want to know how Vivian would treat someone like Shelley Duvall then look up what happened to Lisa McPherson; Kubrick has also posted on her Twitter condemning psychiatric treatment and medication.
Indeed. I mean Kirstie Alley refused to guest star on Frasier because the character was a psychiatrist.
See I'm a bit torn on this interview. Yes it was exploitative and obviously there was something in it for Dr Phil and the network (i.e. ratings). But then again you didn't see anybody else trying to help her.
I do wonder how much is outrage over the fact she's been exploited and how much is over the fact she's been exposed? I'm thinking maybe a little bit of both. A bit 'Catherine Zeta is a far more palatable face of mental illness thank you very much, we don't need to see THAT!!' There still is that culture where mental illness needs to be shut away and hidden like a dirty little secret. Particularly in a privileged world such as the entertainment business.
And that's the thing, the entertainment industry wasn't all that fussed about her illness while she was hidden away in Texas, a tv show exposes/exploits her and suddenly it's virtue signalling all over twitter.
I mean instead of boycotting Dr Phil, how about asking questions around how someone can get into such a state and feel that appearing on Doctor Phil is the only choice you have for help.
Not Jack Nicholson. The actor was in his 70s at the time of filming this
Was it the black guy Scatman Crothers? Just had a look and he was born in 1910. I don't think the guy who played Grady was that old. Unless it was someone who had a very brief part playing a ghost.
Was it the black guy Scatman Crothers? Just had a look and he was born in 1910. I don't think the guy who played Grady was that old. Unless it was someone who had a very brief part playing a ghost.
It was Scatman Crothers. This is from imdb.com
Crothers had a tough time on "The Shining" with Stanley Kubrick making him do over 100 takes for one scene. Crothers' next film was Bronco Billy (1980), directed by Clint Eastwood who was famous for generally only going with one take. Crothers broke down in tears of gratitude on his first scene in the film when he realized he wouldn't have to do endless take after take again.
Is dying relatively young such a bad thing? On the plus side you don't have to endure old age. I wonder what the younger Shelley Duvall would have thought had she seen herself now? Perhaps she'd feel a bit sad at how aging robbed her of her vitality. Her mind seems to have gone gaga too.
I suppose life is a gift but the wrapping paper can suck after a while.
Her mind is another thing. I got the vibe she is faking her mental illness to get publicity. Maybe get help and reboot her film career.
Sell a book. Do a DVD.
I am very cynical because it looked to me like she was acting in that interview with Dr. Phil.
Oh please! Shelley Duvall has had documented mental health problems for years. A bit long to go on 'acting', don't you think? And anyone who could keep up such an 'act' for years could hardly be right in the head anyway.
This happens to people. Famous and otherwise. And it's hell.
People are saying she looks a mess and she is unrecognisable from The Shining in 1979.
I'll say that year again.
1979.
Who wouldn't look older in 40 years time??? :eek:
The thing is she is older, and isn't wearing make up and her hair and clothes are a mess but all these things can be put right.
Her mind is another thing. I got the vibe she is faking her mental illness to get publicity. Maybe get help and reboot her film career.
Sell a book. Do a DVD.
I am very cynical because it looked to me like she was acting in that interview with Dr. Phil.
I thought she was acting too but I'm not qualified to say. Mind you, neither is Dr Phil. I just have a feeling that there's a move to link anyone who has serious questions about government dealings/corporation cover ups to end up being associated with people who believe in shape shifters, alien abductions, the royal family being lizards, the earth having a roof and other bonkers stuff. It will make people think twice about questioning certain things out loud in case they are associated with all the bizarre stuff and thought to be in need of psychiatric help.
There just seems to be too much of it lately - people coming out with stuff that a lot of people are questioning i.e. the power and bias of main stream media (as stated by Donald Trump), the boycotting of musicians that don't play the game (as stated by Kanye West) and then throwing in bizarro stuff like Obama's birth cert, building a wall (Donald Trump) and JZ having hit men out to get him (Kanye). All very strange.
The lady was ill while filming the Shining, She is seen lying on the floor while Kubrick goes on shooting the film with Nicholson banging on a metal kitchen door, quite uncaring of Shelleys condition, whether Kubrick pushed her to her limits Im not sure but she didnt like working with him one bit
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Damn, did I just show my age?
After hearing about this I googled 'Shelly Duvall Stanley Kubrick' and some of the stuff I read was disgusting. She is not the only one he treated this way. There was an older actor in it (I don't know who it is as I have not seen the film) and apparently he made him do a scene over and over again until he was crying and begging to stop.
EDIT: However she was treated by far the worst.
Erm a little known actor known as as jack Nicholson
IMO the whole film hinges on her performance. Forget Nicholson, its her reactions that give the film its real terror. (Similar with Veronica Cartwright in Alien, whom Ridley Scott played with - though not quite so extreme as Kubrick).
Lets hope that someone stands alongside her.
Tom Cruise ended up with stomach ulcers when him and Stanley did Eyes wide shut. One incident required Tom Cruise to do a scene when he walks through a door to be done 60 times. Some say Stanley's tough treatment to both Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman during that film was one factor in why they eventually split up.
Then there is the infamous story of Alfred Hitchcock and Tippi Hedren during the making The Birds.
And Lars Von Trier put Bjork through hell during Dancer In The Dark. She spent most of the time refusing to come on set, spitting at him and telling him she hated him. She refused to ever do a movie ever again after that.
Indeed. I mean Kirstie Alley refused to guest star on Frasier because the character was a psychiatrist.
Scientology is bonkers.
I do wonder how much is outrage over the fact she's been exploited and how much is over the fact she's been exposed? I'm thinking maybe a little bit of both. A bit 'Catherine Zeta is a far more palatable face of mental illness thank you very much, we don't need to see THAT!!' There still is that culture where mental illness needs to be shut away and hidden like a dirty little secret. Particularly in a privileged world such as the entertainment business.
And that's the thing, the entertainment industry wasn't all that fussed about her illness while she was hidden away in Texas, a tv show exposes/exploits her and suddenly it's virtue signalling all over twitter.
I mean instead of boycotting Dr Phil, how about asking questions around how someone can get into such a state and feel that appearing on Doctor Phil is the only choice you have for help.
Not Jack Nicholson. The actor was in his 70s at the time of filming this
Was it the black guy Scatman Crothers? Just had a look and he was born in 1910. I don't think the guy who played Grady was that old. Unless it was someone who had a very brief part playing a ghost.
It was Scatman Crothers. This is from imdb.com
I'll say that year again.
1979.
Who wouldn't look older in 40 years time??? :eek:
The thing is she is older, and isn't wearing make up and her hair and clothes are a mess but all these things can be put right.
Her mind is another thing. I got the vibe she is faking her mental illness to get publicity. Maybe get help and reboot her film career.
Sell a book. Do a DVD.
I am very cynical because it looked to me like she was acting in that interview with Dr. Phil.
I suppose life is a gift but the wrapping paper can suck after a while.
This^
The scene in question is the 5 minute Kitchen scene with him and Danny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rKbtlodzCU
He also had to do 60+ takes on the scene where he's lying in bed watching tv.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgZDfFtoObE
Here's footage of Kubrick and Shelley arguing on set.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5M_qt1gi2s
Great director but probably wouldn't have gotten away with giving Nicholson the same treatment.
http://deadline.com/2016/11/shelley-duvall-dr-phil-actors-fund-help-1201858440/
Oh please! Shelley Duvall has had documented mental health problems for years. A bit long to go on 'acting', don't you think? And anyone who could keep up such an 'act' for years could hardly be right in the head anyway.
This happens to people. Famous and otherwise. And it's hell.
I thought she was acting too but I'm not qualified to say. Mind you, neither is Dr Phil. I just have a feeling that there's a move to link anyone who has serious questions about government dealings/corporation cover ups to end up being associated with people who believe in shape shifters, alien abductions, the royal family being lizards, the earth having a roof and other bonkers stuff. It will make people think twice about questioning certain things out loud in case they are associated with all the bizarre stuff and thought to be in need of psychiatric help.
There just seems to be too much of it lately - people coming out with stuff that a lot of people are questioning i.e. the power and bias of main stream media (as stated by Donald Trump), the boycotting of musicians that don't play the game (as stated by Kanye West) and then throwing in bizarro stuff like Obama's birth cert, building a wall (Donald Trump) and JZ having hit men out to get him (Kanye). All very strange.