I wonder if there's anything stopping the BBC from creating another show similar to Bakeoff with Mary, Mel and Sue. Something like Cake Boss Next Great Baker, Ultimate Cake Off or Ace Of Cakes.
Ace of Cakes was brilliant. What a fab crew they were. Made me laugh and they created some amazing designs!
The American versions of these types of shows are very competitive and take themselves far too seriously. I hope they never go down that route.
Ace of Cakes wasn't a competition show, though. ,It was based around Charm City Cakes (Duff Goldman) and was about the business (which then expanded as Duff found a property on the West Coast (I think) and left his experienced crew to run his Baltimore studio and set up the other one with other bakers/decorators.
On a par with the original 'Cake Boss' (although that's a family business - they do similar sorts of 'Big cakes' though).
I enjoy both. Neither of them are competitions mind you! Cake Boss - Next Great baker is a competition and I have seen those.
Regarding GBBO. I knew Mary would not leave the Beeb. It seems that C4 have been handed a tent and Paul Hollywood. Hmmm ... it's a lot of money to pay for that!
Regarding GBBO. I knew Mary would not leave the Beeb. It seems that C4 have been handed a tent and Paul Hollywood. Hmmm ... it's a lot of money to pay for that!
Hard to imagine that would've enticed them if it'd been all that was on offer right from the outset. Love have sold them a pup. A lardy scouse pup.....
Those champagne corks popping over at ITV Towers are so loud I can hear them from where I am!!
I don't buy all this guff from Mary about 'loyalty' to the BBC. If she was that bloody loyal, she'd never have entered into discussions with C4 in the first place and would have done what Mel n' Sue did and ruled herself out almost immediately. What she means is, C4 didn't make it worth my while to continue on the show with them. Nothing wrong with that, of course, but choosing to stay with the BBC because she believes she'll be better off there isn't loyalty, it's just good old-fashoned business.
Paul, OTOH, obviously was made an offer worth his while to stick with the show. There's nothing wrong with that either and he shouldn't be demonised for it.
Jay Hunt, Chief Creative Officer of Channel 4 said: “Paul really is the star baker – an exceptional talent with a twinkle in his eye. His wit, warmth and wisdom are vital ingredients in Bake Off’s success. I’m so delighted he’s coming to Channel 4."
Jay Hunt, Chief Creative Officer of Channel 4 said: “Paul really is the star baker – an exceptional talent with a twinkle in his eye. His wit, warmth and wisdom are vital ingredients in Bake Off’s success. I’m so delighted he might just save my job."
A baking tour isn't such a bad idea, but you would have to set the kitchens up which would be a huge extra expense.
I think there must be a large community hall somewhere in the UK that was used by the Women's Institute in the second World War, or something like that....If I was the BBC I'd replace the tent with that, and start bake off again.
But a new unknown baker would be required to replace Paul Hollywood.....and then Mel and Sue could gently take the mickey out of him, as the new boy.
But as a PSB and given the popularity of the original show...I think the BBC has to be thinking about creating a replacement show.
One good thing about 3 out of 4 presenters/judges leaving...is that the internationally disgraced businessman, Rupert Murdoch is not a happy bunny....What's the point of buying these indy production companies, if the spanner you deliberately throw into the works, just flies back and hits you on your Gollum shaped head?
I think a WI feel would be great and fit in with the current need for comforting TV with a gentle britishness about it and this is what Mary Berry above all brings to the show. Personally now PH has gone I would love James Martin as the other expert - isn't he a dessert specialist?
I certainly wouldn't want an all female cast and not sure why Nadiya is always the previous bake off winner mentioned, lovely though she is, over any of the others - is she considered the best bake off winner ever?
The BBC would be foolish not to try something very similar, it would probably trounce the C4 show..
I know people are disappointed at Paul not sticking with the others but, and maybe I am stereotyping men (although not negatively), I'm guessing he didn't base his decision from an emotional stance. He's a baker, the job is judging baking, the offer was probably very lucrative and he, just like the other 3, is looking out for himself, nothing really wrong with that. I wish it could stay as it is at the BBC but people will still watch it, I know I will certainly at least give it a chance.
I like Mary - God knows I've spent enough on her cookery books - and I respect her decision to remain with the BBC; just as I respect Paul's decision to move to channel 4 with the show.
Why all the angst?
It's a television programme - nothing more, nothing less. They are presenters - nothing more, nothing less.
It's not Armageddon or the start of WW3. Nobody died and much as I admired the GBBO team no one is irreplaceable.
Why is Mary a national treasure? Is it because of her age, her baking skills, her gentility when teamed up with rough diamond Paul? Who can tell.
I do think that GBBO did a lot more for Mary than vice versa. I wish all ex members of the team well; just as I hope the transition to channel 4 works well.
A lot of the annoyance is around the lack of integrity involved in a situation where a broadcasting company that has invested a lot of time and money in developing a concept and making it a huge success, are then held to ransom and, because they won't pay up lose the product to a higher bidder.
Channel 4 are totally up sh~t creek now, (sorry for language Mary). Who are they going to get to front the shows with just Paul Hollywood ? Kirstie and Phil, the resident estate agents and maybe one of the Sunday Brunch irritants ?
Can see this being Channel 4's ITV Digital debacle, this could seal their privatisation.
Channel 4 are totally up sh~t creek now, (sorry for language Mary). Who are they going to get to front the shows with just Paul Hollywood ? Kirstie and Phil, the resident estate agents and maybe one of the Sunday Brunch irritants ?
Can see this being Channel 4's ITV Digital debacle, this could seal their privatisation.
I like Simon Rimmer, the chef from Sunday Brunch actually. Seems to be a nice guy and much more personable than Paul Hollywood.
They should get Delia to be Paul's co-host! She seems to have fallen off the radar and her culinary expertise cannot be faulted.
I wonder what the atmosphere is like at Channel 4 at the moment. They said that they won't change the show too much but three out of four of its stars have walked. Doesn't really bode well, does it?
Jay Hunt, Chief Creative Officer of Channel 4 said: “Paul really is the star baker – an exceptional talent with a twinkle in his eye. His wit, warmth and wisdom are vital ingredients in Bake Off’s success. I’m so delighted he’s coming to Channel 4."
I don't buy all this guff from Mary about 'loyalty' to the BBC. If she was that bloody loyal, she'd never have entered into discussions with C4 in the first place and would have done what Mel n' Sue did and ruled herself out almost immediately. What she means is, C4 didn't make it worth my while to continue on the show with them. Nothing wrong with that, of course, but choosing to stay with the BBC because she believes she'll be better off there isn't loyalty, it's just good old-fashoned business.
Paul, OTOH, obviously was made an offer worth his while to stick with the show. There's nothing wrong with that either and he shouldn't be demonised for it.
You demonise Mary, but say that PH shouldn't be demonised? Why would you even say that? It's not like you know them, or are ever going to meet them, or be their friends. They are just people on the telly.
Paul was almost certainly seduced by the paycheck, and Mary didn't care about the money, why would she? She's 81 and financially secure.
But Paul and Mary are friends, so they would have talked about this after mel and sue left.
I think Paul wanted Mary to stay and convinced her to hear out what CH4/LP had to say before declining. I think Mary agreed because of their friendship. That would also have been my advice, at least hear what they have to say, before declining.
Their announcements have occurred on the same day, so they would have orchestrated that, out of respect for each other.
Paul hasn't gone over because of the show...because there is no show anymore. It's now reverted back to a generic daytime TV show. Albeit the worlds most expensive daytime TV show.
The show will now have to be re developed, and what it ends up as is anyones guess. That is a challenge in itself
There's no shame in going for the money, and there's no need to demonise Mary. but I tend to have more respect for people who follow their heart rather than their head.
Although he's the designated 'villan' of the show, he's not as bad as people might think, and certainly nowhere near as rude or insulting as, say, Simon Cowell, Craig Revel Horwood or other so-called 'nasty' judges. At worst, he's just more blunt than Mary Berry. Mary's every bit as critical as Paul, but whereas she'll use all sorts of flowery language to avoid telling someone their jam tarts are awful - "Not quite baked enough"; "I'm not sure the flavours go together" etc - he'll just say 'That's awful, that is. What you did wrong is...". He's not as touchy-feely when it comes to group hugs as the other three (thank God), but he's a funny guy and very helpful and encouraging throughout the bakes. It's only in the juding the gloves come off, you could say.
You demonise Mary, but say that PH shouldn't be demonised? Why would you even say that? It's not like you know them, or are ever going to meet them, or be their friends. They are just people on the telly.
I'm just pointing out that Mary made the best business decision for her, just as Paul did for him. If that's demonising her in your eyes, so be it. I just don't get all the love for Mary for going one way and all the hate for Paul for going the other. Whilst it would have shown 'solidarity' for Paul to take some sort of moral high-road and turn down the offer, who are we to judge him on what's best for him?
Your suspicion that Paul has signed because of money difficulties.
How is that a 'conspiracy theory'. Do you know what the expression means?
I suggested it as a possible reason for him signing in order to illustrate the fact that he could have reasons relating to things going on in his life that we aren 't aware of.
They should get Delia to be Paul's co-host! She seems to have fallen off the radar and her culinary expertise cannot be faulted.
I wonder what the atmosphere is like at Channel 4 at the moment. They said that they won't change the show too much but three out of four of its stars have walked. Doesn't really bode well, does it?
I agree about Delia....shes top notch for experience and ability....and like Mary, also loves a bevvy !!!
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Ace of Cakes was brilliant. What a fab crew they were. Made me laugh and they created some amazing designs!
The American versions of these types of shows are very competitive and take themselves far too seriously. I hope they never go down that route.
Ace of Cakes wasn't a competition show, though.
On a par with the original 'Cake Boss' (although that's a family business - they do similar sorts of 'Big cakes' though).
I enjoy both. Neither of them are competitions mind you! Cake Boss - Next Great baker is a competition and I have seen those.
Regarding GBBO. I knew Mary would not leave the Beeb. It seems that C4 have been handed a tent and Paul Hollywood. Hmmm ... it's a lot of money to pay for that!
Hard to imagine that would've enticed them if it'd been all that was on offer right from the outset. Love have sold them a pup. A lardy scouse pup.....
Those champagne corks popping over at ITV Towers are so loud I can hear them from where I am!!
Paul, OTOH, obviously was made an offer worth his while to stick with the show. There's nothing wrong with that either and he shouldn't be demonised for it.
Someone pass me the sick bucket. 🤑
What a Hunt she is.
I think a WI feel would be great and fit in with the current need for comforting TV with a gentle britishness about it and this is what Mary Berry above all brings to the show. Personally now PH has gone I would love James Martin as the other expert - isn't he a dessert specialist?
I certainly wouldn't want an all female cast and not sure why Nadiya is always the previous bake off winner mentioned, lovely though she is, over any of the others - is she considered the best bake off winner ever?
The BBC would be foolish not to try something very similar, it would probably trounce the C4 show..
A lot of the annoyance is around the lack of integrity involved in a situation where a broadcasting company that has invested a lot of time and money in developing a concept and making it a huge success, are then held to ransom and, because they won't pay up lose the product to a higher bidder.
Can see this being Channel 4's ITV Digital debacle, this could seal their privatisation.
I don't understand. What are you saying is a 'conspiracy theory'?
And the remnants of shop bought pies. 😊
I like Simon Rimmer, the chef from Sunday Brunch actually. Seems to be a nice guy and much more personable than Paul Hollywood.
I wonder what the atmosphere is like at Channel 4 at the moment. They said that they won't change the show too much but three out of four of its stars have walked. Doesn't really bode well, does it?
Wit and warmth?! Since when??
You demonise Mary, but say that PH shouldn't be demonised? Why would you even say that? It's not like you know them, or are ever going to meet them, or be their friends. They are just people on the telly.
Paul was almost certainly seduced by the paycheck, and Mary didn't care about the money, why would she? She's 81 and financially secure.
But Paul and Mary are friends, so they would have talked about this after mel and sue left.
I think Paul wanted Mary to stay and convinced her to hear out what CH4/LP had to say before declining. I think Mary agreed because of their friendship. That would also have been my advice, at least hear what they have to say, before declining.
Their announcements have occurred on the same day, so they would have orchestrated that, out of respect for each other.
Paul hasn't gone over because of the show...because there is no show anymore. It's now reverted back to a generic daytime TV show. Albeit the worlds most expensive daytime TV show.
The show will now have to be re developed, and what it ends up as is anyones guess. That is a challenge in itself
There's no shame in going for the money, and there's no need to demonise Mary. but I tend to have more respect for people who follow their heart rather than their head.
How is that a 'conspiracy theory'. Do you know what the expression means?
I suggested it as a possible reason for him signing in order to illustrate the fact that he could have reasons relating to things going on in his life that we aren 't aware of.
I agree about Delia....shes top notch for experience and ability....and like Mary, also loves a bevvy !!!
The title of the thread made it very clear what it was about. If you're not interested, why open it?