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The Jimmy Saville Situation: How Could Effect The BBC?.
Lee Morris
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Hi! All
Now the thing is that yes sometimes we all complain about the BBC and the way they dumb down some of their programmes and also I get annoyed about the way they just seem to sack or get rid of some of their presenters, where as it does not matter what others do they appear to be as good as the bosses favourites.
Also what with the cost of Sky and Virgin etc, there is an on going debate about the licence fee and what should happen and the future of the fee.
But speaking for myself I would rather have the BBC any day than have to put up with just Sky, now Sky has had the phone hacking situation etc. Despite that it appears that it has come out unscathed.
So seeing as we all know how corrupt Murdoch can be/has been, now that sadly the situation has come about regarding Jimmy Saville sadly giving Murdoch ammunition to really do damage to and attack the BBC.
What damage do you think it will do to the BBC and seeing as the Tories obviously support Murdoch do you think the BBC will have its licence taken away?.
I would say to all of you to support the BBC.
Now the thing is that yes sometimes we all complain about the BBC and the way they dumb down some of their programmes and also I get annoyed about the way they just seem to sack or get rid of some of their presenters, where as it does not matter what others do they appear to be as good as the bosses favourites.
Also what with the cost of Sky and Virgin etc, there is an on going debate about the licence fee and what should happen and the future of the fee.
But speaking for myself I would rather have the BBC any day than have to put up with just Sky, now Sky has had the phone hacking situation etc. Despite that it appears that it has come out unscathed.
So seeing as we all know how corrupt Murdoch can be/has been, now that sadly the situation has come about regarding Jimmy Saville sadly giving Murdoch ammunition to really do damage to and attack the BBC.
What damage do you think it will do to the BBC and seeing as the Tories obviously support Murdoch do you think the BBC will have its licence taken away?.
I would say to all of you to support the BBC.
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Do please try to keep a sense of proportion.
Over 4 decades, 120 lines of enquiry, at least 25 victims, & a national problem - yes I have a sense of proportion, the proportion of how much the BBC looked the other way when all this was happening.
It does not, however, have any bearing on the survival of the BBC in the way that has been suggested.
I've been pretty convinced over the last few days that the 'Sir Jimmy' allegations have been set up to distract from a bigger story.
Is this it - "Phone Hacking at BSkyB"?
I wonder what Tom Watson will say now about the mafia
or not?
No, but it does suggest that after decades where there was quite a wide knowledge of this, where the victims were effectively bullied and coerced into silence; the opportunity now exists for then to sue the ass off Saville's estate and the BBC.
If the cases of alleged rape can be proven beyond reasonable doubt, then the plaintiffs would be entitled to, and deserve a decent pay-out with exemplary damages. If the case went further and showed that events had taken place within BBC premises, with the knowledge or negligence of managers, then the Beeb would be well advised to seek to make a generous out-of-court settlement.
Jim'll Fix It 1975–1994
and
Top of the Pops effectively 1964 - 1982.
I make that three decades.
What phone hacking at BSkyB??
Do you have a link to the story??
Agreed. And let's mention here that, for a long time, rumours without hard evidence were all anyone had to go on.
Even the police couldn't find any evidence.
That's going to change now, but the evidence, when Saville was at the BBC didn't exist like it's beginning to now.
The current stream of allegations wasn't around back then, in fact it appears that many victims didn't come foreward until recently.
This does not point to a cover up.
Is Savile's religion getting a mention in the Murdoch press's reporting, or is that a little too uncomfortable to handle?
I am querying allegations against BBC 'corpoate behaviour', not Sir Jimmy.
I'm as intrigued as you!
Either way I wouldn't be surprised if it had happened
Mr Murdoch didnt force Jimmy Saville to molest kids.
Presumably your comments about Sky are mainly influenced by your arguements with your neighbour, the Sky installer, as per usual?
If we're to believe what is being said, lots of people in the press had their suspicions and when Savile was confronted with allegations and a threat that they might be published, he suggested that the charities he funded would lose out if anything got into the public domain. So I'd suggest the press - quite possibly including titles owned by Murdoch - might have questions to answer as well.
Its all a vast ring wing conspiracy to attack the BBC. I can disclose Murdoch, Jeremy Hunt, Paul Dacre, Archie Norman all had a conference 50 years ago to brainwash Jimmy Saville to molest kids knowing that in 50 years time this would wound the BBC as it supressed its own news programmes from digging up things embarrasing to its own management.
Damned if the do for attacking the BBC; damned if they dont for allowing the BBC to continue to allow a dodgy character access to kids. The primary responsibility (after the offenders) is those who permitted his access to kids.
Yes sorry I did mention Sky but I will actually put the record straight and say it was Murdoch's press that play a big part in phone hacking[News Corporation], but anyway that aside and yes his papers did go along in not bringing the story out years ago as someone else has suggested.
But anyway do you think the BBC will be closed down by the Tories, as I have said I hope not but with Murdoch's attacks then you never know sadly.
To be honest, I'd imagine the Press would have turned up as soon as they found out regardless of if he informed them, given they at times seem more than happy to report on some "celeb" having a new hair do, or different colour of nail varnish* on slow new days.
I wouldn't put that down as any real manipulation of the press, given they've covered "celebs" broken ankles etc in the past, sometimes without being informed by the celeb or anyone who would have known about it in a way that would have been legal for them to have been told (I've little doubt that the press have paid, quite happily, for information that should have been confidential from people working in hospitals).
*That might be a slight exaggeration, but given some of the **** the Sun, Mail and Express have published as "news" I wouldn't be surprised if at some point it has been a "story".
Trouble is, at the time, all that was actually known is Jimmy was a "peculiar" character. That's common in the media. What we now know about Saville we didn't no back then.