I know it was an odd comparison, but I loved that scene with Shirley and Johnny
And i really enjoyed that scene with Mick and Johnny, I wish I had a dad like Mick when I came out, and that nancy joke at the end was brilliant it was a nice touch of humour
It did but from how I interpreted the exchange, Ben's action was deliberate. The murder was accidental which led me to believe she meant the stalking.
Of course I could be completely wrong
I think she was talking about his behaviour overall and the consequences of the way he was made to feel because of his sexuality, rather than any one specific action - i.e; she wasn't saying 'his dad didn't like that he was gay so he went out and clobbered my mate to death to prove he was hard' - but more 'he felt so inadequate because of his sexuality that his need to prove himself led to more and more destructive behaviour which ultimately led to something terrible', the overall point being that denial and self-loathing over something will only lead to trouble.
It did but from how I interpreted the exchange, Ben's action was deliberate. The murder was accidental which led me to believe she meant the stalking.
Of course I could be completely wrong
I think she meant both to be honest - the stalking was deliberate and to prove to phil he was a true, strong, 'manly' Mitchell bit it did directly lead to Heather's death and his actions afterwards were pretty bad.
I think she was talking about his behaviour overall and the consequences of the way he was made to feel because of his sexuality, rather than any one specific action - i.e; she wasn't saying 'his dad didn't like that he was gay so he went out and clobbered my mate to death to prove he was hard' but more 'he was made to feel so inadequate because of his sexuality that his need to prove himself led to more and more destructive behaviour which ultimately led to something terrible'
Yes that was my reading of it - well explained. His hitting thingy (Lucas' son) to 'standy up for himself and hit back', the stalking and perhaps not hitting Heather but his behaviour afterwards - remember when he said 'proud of me now Dad' to Phil a couple of days after the killing? Not that Shirley would know about that but she understood the basic Phil/Ben dynamic and how it was part of turning Ben on the wrong path.
I thought for a moment that it was Mick "His dad"?.. Married never cheated on his misses.
Likes his wife's pink dressing gown!?.
Scared of what his dad dad thought and married young to try and prove a point!?
For a few seconds, I thought that too. However, I'm sure it's Ben now...
Oh, I thought she was implying she was raped or something. Maybe I got it totally wrong. I only assumed that as I read somewhere that we're going to find out a lot of shocking things about Shirley's past which explains why she is how she is today. Maybe I was really wrong as the Ben thing makes sense.
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It'd have been funny if it had!
It did but from how I interpreted the exchange, Ben's action was deliberate. The murder was accidental which led me to believe she meant the stalking.
Of course I could be completely wrong
And i really enjoyed that scene with Mick and Johnny, I wish I had a dad like Mick when I came out, and that nancy joke at the end was brilliant
LOL!!
I think she was talking about his behaviour overall and the consequences of the way he was made to feel because of his sexuality, rather than any one specific action - i.e; she wasn't saying 'his dad didn't like that he was gay so he went out and clobbered my mate to death to prove he was hard' - but more 'he felt so inadequate because of his sexuality that his need to prove himself led to more and more destructive behaviour which ultimately led to something terrible', the overall point being that denial and self-loathing over something will only lead to trouble.
I think she meant both to be honest - the stalking was deliberate and to prove to phil he was a true, strong, 'manly' Mitchell bit it did directly lead to Heather's death and his actions afterwards were pretty bad.
Yes that was my reading of it - well explained. His hitting thingy (Lucas' son) to 'standy up for himself and hit back', the stalking and perhaps not hitting Heather but his behaviour afterwards - remember when he said 'proud of me now Dad' to Phil a couple of days after the killing? Not that Shirley would know about that but she understood the basic Phil/Ben dynamic and how it was part of turning Ben on the wrong path.
For a few seconds, I thought that too. However, I'm sure it's Ben now...
same here, totally forgot about him