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    FaustFaust Posts: 8,985
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    DragonQ wrote: »
    Why would you give the kilometres value to two (three?) more significant figures than your miles value? Oh yeah, to be flippant. :rolleyes:

    It's weird that some people still cling to imperial when the population got used to decimalisation pretty damned quickly.

    It's what you learn as a youngster that stays with you the rest of your life - simples. You ask most people of my generation and they will tell you the same.

    I may have learned to use decimal but I often convert back to pound shillings and pence in my head, and still use pounds and ounces for weights, gallons for volumes etc. and will always do so. Only the other day I thought to myself blimey ten bob to buy a second class stamp, outrageous. Diversity should be celebrated not frowned upon. Why do you want everyone to be homogenised?
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    FaustFaust Posts: 8,985
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    wjong wrote: »
    I'm an old greybeard, :) and learnt Imperial measures when a child in the 1950's. However, I"m one of many elderly people, who have accepted the change, and self learnt metric measures. Although many of my friends, still use Imperial measures, it's a fallacy to state, that we are victims, and marginalised. It insults the intelligence of the elderly, to suggest that we elderly don't understand metric measures, or at least the basic conversions from metric to Imperial. Over the last 40 years, conversions have been printed in the media, and elsewhere, and most of us have taken the opportunity to learn from those conversions. I don't have a problem with the BBC using metric measures, many of my friends don't either. The few that do have a problem, are generally not as bright, and alert, as they used to be, they are mentally frail, that old age brings on, and have problems with many other things, as well as both Imperial and metric measures.

    Ah! a child of the fifties that has surrendered to government and become part of the collective eh? I would say that instead of mellowing with age I have got more radical. I refuse to be moulded by grey faceless bureaucrats from Brussels or anywhere else for that matter. There was an article on that new programme from the beeb the other night, special reports by the editors at the BBC. They were all very interesting but the one that really got my attention was the piece from Mark Easton asking what has happened to the rebellious youth of today, lamenting the fact it was not rebellious.

    I tell you what, I'll continue to tilt at windmills and you can tell me the wind speed in kilometres. :p
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    DragonQDragonQ Posts: 4,807
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    Faust wrote: »
    Ah! a child of the fifties that has surrendered to government and become part of the collective eh?
    Oh you're one of those. Yawn.
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    jj20xjj20x Posts: 2,079
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    So, following this thread anyone could be forgiven for thinking that the BBC Red Button changes are changes to the way we measure distance... ;)
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,856
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    So back to the topic.

    After many years of being written and edited by CSV Action Network, the current editions of Community News, Disability News and Read Hear are the final ones to appear on BBC Text Services.

    These final editions may be found this Easter Holiday Weekend going to page 102's final link; the editors have included weblinks for readers to note for future reference.

    Page Numbering will therefore read, once Newsround is back:

    100 Home
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    News
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    FaustFaust Posts: 8,985
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    DragonQ wrote: »
    Oh you're one of those. Yawn.

    Absolutely and proud to be so. I assume you're one that's easily moulded, yawn.

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/commons-rejects-plan-to-adopt-metric-878130
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,856
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    Good clip http://www.bbc.co.uk/skillswise/topic/imperial-and-metric kind of sums up the varying experiences expressed in the offtopic discussion and the whole online section offers helpful resources; play http://www.bbc.co.uk/skillswise/quiz/ma21impe-e1and2-quiz

    So

    Now please could we in the name of mercy stick the thread topic from now on?
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    chrisychrisy Posts: 9,419
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    Faust wrote: »
    They were all very interesting but the one that really got my attention was the piece from Mark Easton asking what has happened to the rebellious youth of today, lamenting the fact it was not rebellious.

    They're too busy playing with their iThingies to rebel.
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    FaustFaust Posts: 8,985
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    Sue_Aitch wrote: »
    Good clip http://www.bbc.co.uk/skillswise/topic/imperial-and-metric kind of sums up the varying experiences expressed in the offtopic discussion and the whole online section offers helpful resources; play http://www.bbc.co.uk/skillswise/quiz/ma21impe-e1and2-quiz

    So

    Now please could we in the name of mercy stick the thread topic from now on?

    Topic being the red button service as it stands is no longer fit for purpose one assumes? Since the beeb have dropped the video feeds for satellite consumers I rarely bother with it anymore. It was after all it's best and most used feature. :confused:
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,856
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    Faust, dear Faust, this is a thread in the Freeview subforum.

    Freeview-only households had to say hallo to a reduced service three and a half years ago or so.

    I use text most days, the other services as and when: archive http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/red_button/ latest (2013 blogs) http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/internet/tags/Red_button
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    FaustFaust Posts: 8,985
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    Sue_Aitch wrote: »
    Faust, dear Faust, this is a thread in the Freeview subforum.

    Freeview-only households had to say hallo to a reduced service three and a half years ago or so.

    I use text most days, the other services as and when: archive http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/red_button/ latest (2013 blogs) http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/internet/tags/Red_button

    The fact still remains the service is now a shadow of it's former self and from what I see on my Freeview HD platform I'm now getting the same poor service on my Freesat platform.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,856
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    As far as text goes, the content has removed in the past forty-seven months has been:

    News: nothing from BBC News except the In Depth page 125 (see note under Entertainment below). CSV Action Network pages leave the service this week.

    Business: Farm Prices, Loans and Homes, Savings and Premium Bonds.

    Sport: some sports such as Ice Hockey and Basketball no longer have their league table or results pages.

    Weather: no change

    Travel: BAA airports no longer giving the BBC their Flight Arrival Times.

    Entertainment: Extra has gone and the Top 40 Singles and Album Charts have moved to the Radio 1 service, which makes sense as BBC TV has no current chart show. However, the obituary for Richard Griffiths on Entertainment Extra 501 is the same length itwould have been in In Depth when that service was still going.

    Radio gets a much better service from RBDT than it did in the days of BBC One Ceefax pages 640-659 with all the Red Button Pages on the Freeview Service. And the EPG gets viewers details for all prgrammes.

    CBBC and CBeebies: no change but for Newsround not being carried at present.

    And Red Button Digital Text always has a comprehensive results service for elections.

    So really, it's not that much content that has completely disappeared.

    What's on Holy Saturday onwards on not-text - published first thing this morning.

    Do by all means comment there!

    We're awaiting the results of the most recent BBC Online and Red Button consultation being published on http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/have_your_say/review.

    With the Licence Freeze, there's only so much money to go round.
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    FaustFaust Posts: 8,985
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    Sue_Aitch wrote: »
    As far as text goes, the content has removed in the past forty-seven months has been:

    News: nothing from BBC News except the In Depth page 125 (see note under Entertainment below). CSV Action Network pages leave the service this week.

    Business: Farm Prices, Loans and Homes, Savings and Premium Bonds.

    Sport: some sports such as Ice Hockey and Basketball no longer have their league table or results pages.

    Weather: no change

    Travel: BAA airports no longer giving the BBC their Flight Arrival Times.

    Entertainment: Extra has gone and the Top 40 Singles and Album Charts have moved to the Radio 1 service, which makes sense as BBC TV has no current chart show. However, the obituary for Richard Griffiths on Entertainment Extra 501 is the same length itwould have been in In Depth when that service was still going.

    Radio gets a much better service from RBDT than it did in the days of BBC One Ceefax pages 640-659 with all the Red Button Pages on the Freeview Service. And the EPG gets viewers details for all prgrammes.

    CBBC and CBeebies: no change but for Newsround not being carried at present.

    And Red Button Digital Text always has a comprehensive results service for elections.

    So really, it's not that much content that has completely disappeared.

    What's on Holy Saturday onwards on not-text - published first thing this morning.

    Do by all means comment there!

    We're awaiting the results of the most recent BBC Online and Red Button consultation being published on http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/have_your_say/review.

    With the Licence Freeze, there's only so much money to go round.

    Except On Demand video feeds for those of us on multi-platforms, their most useful feature by far. :mad:
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,856
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    Well, it wasn't as though any of us was not warned on the Help Pages and on BBC Online about multiscreen going, and D-Sat and D-Cab users had a lot more choices of OBS coverages of the Olympics than DTT viewers for London 2012 when it came to the Olympics.

    Read Hear and Community Pages were off air from Easter Thursday 2013, one year to the day since London DSO Stage One. So long and Thank You, CSV Action Network.

    Sport Pages Blue Button: Sport on TV choice has gone, but that content is now under Headlines 301.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,856
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    There's till a bit of work needing to be done by the Red Button technical team in MediaCityUK to remove Community News choice from the Connected Red Button Version of page 100.and uncouple page 660 from (Horse) Racing,
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,856
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    Newspaper Review is back under Page 102
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,856
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    Newsround (Test) is currently under 9072.
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    barbelerbarbeler Posts: 23,827
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    There never seems to be anything on the red button, even when there should be. All coverage of snooker and darts would do for a start.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,856
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    Ah, Snooker and Darts comes under 380 More Sport with Basketball, Boxing, Cycling, ParaSport (BBC still insists on Disability Sport), Rowing, Swimming, Winter Sport and so on and so on.

    Do make your views known to the team concerning the lack of coverage as you perceive it http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/front_page/3701180.stm. The BBC Sport Editors' Blog has gone very quiet of late.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,856
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    Hmm. Next Button on 570 does not reach all content yet.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,856
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    ... but then the BBC are the only Text Service Providers for Children
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,856
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    Still to be fixed

    * 660 going completely;
    * Sport Links on Blue Button and Green Button on Sport pages being revised for duplications (Football, always the Football!) and re-labelling;
    * Community News going completely from connected Red Button as this still shows on page 100 on a Connected TVOnics DTR-HV250, for example;
    *Help Pages 9990 Retuning Your Digitall TV and Contact Us being made more compact with fewer repetitions of information already given on earlier Help Page Topics;
    *199 including Health News and Newspaper Review on the News drop down box;
    * Renumber 9072 Newsround Test as 571.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,856
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    Community News has gone.

    Contact Us on Help Page has been shortened by one subpage to take out the reference to the Digital UK Homepage
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    SexbombSexbomb Posts: 20,005
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    Soon won't be worth having a red button service the rate the sections are disappearing.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,856
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    I can't see the list at #106 being parred down further, though. We must wait for the BBC Trust updating of http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/our_work/services/television/service_reviews/red_button.html
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