I think they should transfer production and the exhibition to Media City in Salford so both can be together and offer studio / set tours.
They're choosing not to, unfortunately.
Here's a thought about the overall decline of the Doctor Who franchise - Today, we live in a land where Brexit and Trump are more popular than not. Does the failure of the style of Moffat's Doctor Who reflect its clash with that prevalent attitude? Does Doctor Who need to become more right-wing to survive? We all love the episode where the Brig simply blows up the Sirians or Silurians or whatever they was called during the winter of discontent before Thatcher got in and invented the Walkman...
Here's a thought about the overall decline of the Doctor Who franchise - Today, we live in a land where Brexit and Trump are more popular than not. Does the failure of the style of Moffat's Doctor Who reflect its clash with that prevalent attitude? Does Doctor Who need to become more right-wing to survive? We all love the episode where the Brig simply blows up the Sirians or Silurians or whatever they was called during the winter of discontent before Thatcher got in and invented the Walkman...
Yeah, I think it's about time Who became more "right wing." It's been run by all these liberal leftie luvvie dovey people like RTD and SM for too long. Still, fingers crossed, maybe Chibbers is that way inclined? (or they could get Gareth Roberts in as Showrunner? That'd work!)
As for production moving away from Cardiff, I can't see it in the foreseeable really. Apparently RTD only signed on the dotted line back in the day after he insisted that BBC Wales got the gig (citation needed) and it would be too costly to move the big eff off studio and the whole production team based in Cardiff Bay at present.
tl;dr? I think it's really RTD's fault as he set the tone, the big Welsh leftie. >:(
eta That was my attempt to keep the thread off topic. I thangyew.
Yeah, I think it's about time Who became more "right wing."
That's a strong view you have, and certainly makes me wonder more. But at least you know that wasn't what I recommended in my post, especially as I pointed out that the show was popular when "liberal leftie luvvie dovey people" (as you call them) like RTD and Moffat were prominent, but has become significantly less popular in direct proportion to Brexit and Trump.
That's a strong view you have, and certainly makes me wonder more. But at least you know that wasn't what I recommended in my post, especially as I pointed out that the show was popular when "lefites" like RTD and Moffat were prominent but has become significantly less popular in direct proportion to Brexit and Trump.
Like I said, you know that.
Start a new thread, man. It could be interesting! "Should Who Be More Right Wing" or summat. It might not go all RTD/Moffat for once!
Why start a new thread? Is it any more of a natural wondering of the mind (exploring the continual decline of Doctor Who) than your own posts on the same thread which I have also chosen to post to? I feel like you're trying to exclude me, like Brexiteer in a forum intended purely for LSE students.
To summarise, it just occurred to me tonight that Doctor Who has become a significantly less popular part of popular culture in an age of Brexit and Trump, compared to the time of Bush & Blair & Livingstone - when the show returned triumphantly.
In many ways, it could occur to a person that the denial some folks are in concerning Brexit and Trump is quite similar to Moffat "Acolytes" (as some other describe them) who refuse to acknowledge the ratings are lower and people in playgrounds, offices and coffee bars are generally less interested in Doctor Who.
Well at least you racked your brain for 50 minutes for a good retort before giving up. Even if after several hours you didn't offer any serious answer to my evening's pondering correlating the political mood of nations and the success of Doctor Who.
The first Doctor Who died on its arse during Thatcherism after peaking during the heyday of extremely socialist unions. The new Doctor Who peaked during a time when LSE students banned hand clapping in favour of jazz hands (because a round of applause intimidates stage speakers, apparently), and no-platformed Peter Tatchell for being homophobic.
Sorry if your only 'feeling' about my random ponderings on an Internet forum is something along the lines of, "Moffat rules, your mum smells! Nerr!"
Why start a new thread? Is it any more of a natural wondering of the mind (exploring the continual decline of Doctor Who) than your own posts on the same thread which I have also chosen to post to? I feel like you're trying to exclude me, like Brexiteer in a forum intended purely for LSE students.
To summarise, it just occurred to me tonight that Doctor Who has become a significantly less popular part of popular culture in an age of Brexit and Trump, compared to the time of Bush & Blair & Livingstone - when the show returned triumphantly.
In many ways, it could occur to a person that the denial some folks are in concerning Brexit and Trump is quite similar to Moffat "Acolytes" (as some other describe them) who refuse to acknowledge the ratings are lower and people in playgrounds, offices and coffee bars are generally less interested in Doctor Who.
Ehh wasn't gonna post but you actually do have a point tbh.
Well at least you racked your brain for 50 minutes for a good retort before giving up. Even if after several hours you didn't offer any serious answer to my evening's pondering correlating the political mood of nations and the success of Doctor Who...
Well, sorry, mate. I'm a bit thick really. I'm gonna have to give it some serious thought and will get back to you in a couple of weeks. Actually, it might be next year as I really am that dense. See how it goes. If so, have yourself a merry little Christmas!
eta Just seen your edit. Grow up. I'm a Who fan. (It's a *family* show. ;-) ) I don't worship any particular person or era. This is all getting a bit pathetic, frankly.
Why start a new thread? Is it any more of a natural wondering of the mind (exploring the continual decline of Doctor Who) than your own posts on the same thread which I have also chosen to post to? I feel like you're trying to exclude me, like Brexiteer in a forum intended purely for LSE students.
To summarise, it just occurred to me tonight that Doctor Who has become a significantly less popular part of popular culture in an age of Brexit and Trump, compared to the time of Bush & Blair & Livingstone - when the show returned triumphantly.
In many ways, it could occur to a person that the denial some folks are in concerning Brexit and Trump is quite similar to Moffat "Acolytes" (as some other describe them) who refuse to acknowledge the ratings are lower and people in playgrounds, offices and coffee bars are generally less interested in Doctor Who.
You even linked the exact same thread you're posting in on the very same thread. You're on a roll.
Ehh wasn't gonna post but you actually do have a point tbh.
To further my pondering... Will Moffat be remembered as the Tony Blair of Doctor Who, in the sense that he was swept into the job with an almost universal love and praise, and the highest of (unreasonable) expectations by fevered fans, only for it all to somehow unravel as the years went on, and ultimately become hated, not least by his formerly most vehement supporters as a criminal who ought to answer for his crimes (moon egg dragons, fireproof forests, new paradigm Daleks, empty rhetoric, etc)?
You even linked the exact same thread you're posting in on the very same thread. You're on a roll.
I genuinely ended my previous post saying I wondered how long it would be before Lord Smugsy chimed in with his usual, but deleted it because I thought it would be too provocative. True to form, you appeared minutes later with that!
I genuinely ended my previous post saying I wondered how long it would be before Lord Smugsy chimed in with his usual, but deleted it because I thought it would be too provocative. True to form, you appeared minutes later with that!
Actually, I think A Christmas Carol may well be his most proficient work as writer and executive producer.
Shame he got distracted by Caro Skinner and his plates started falling off his sticks. No wonder his two-year Silents story arc was so frustrating with such an unsatisfying pay-off relative to the investment made by the viewer.
Any opinions on the correlation between political moods and Doctor Who's success?
eta Just seen your edit. Grow up. I'm a Who fan. (It's a *family* show. ;-) ) I don't worship any particular person or era. This is all getting a bit pathetic, frankly.
You have to choose, Mr. Eve. It's a bit greedy liking more than one era, it's not like it's the same show or anything. >:(
I'm changing my forum name to Michael_Steve after my hero. Let them mock!
That's as honest and measured a sideways response as the American toy-throwers currently claiming they're going to leave the country because of Trump. Like all the Remainers who swore blind they were getting Irish passports and moving to France.
That's as honest and measured a sideways response as the American toy-throwers currently claiming they're going to leave the country because of Trump. Like all the Remainers who swore blind they were getting Irish passports and moving to France.
True to form again, young man, you repeatedly reply to my posts borne out of an opportune pondering about a correlation between political moods and the success/failure of Doctor Who over time whilst completely ignoring that point, instead adding nothing more than smug mockery of the poster.
True to form again, young man, you repeatedly reply to my posts borne out of a random pondering about a correlation between political moods and the success/failure of Doctor Who over time whilst completely ignoring that point, instead adding nothing more than smug mockery of the poster.
Sorry, it's just that you seemed aching to get that off of your chest.
So I guess to answer your question, no, I don't think anybody's wondering about the correlation between politics and Doctor Who. I don't imagine anyone's going "Those gosh darn republicans are in charge again, suddenly I don't feel like watching British men travelling through time and space in a blue box".
I don't imagine anyone's going "Those gosh darn republicans are in charge again, suddenly I don't feel like watching British men travelling through time and space in a blue box".
I'm baffled by the irrelevance of this response. Meanwhile, here's a quote from Wikipedia regarding Madame Tussauds in London: "By 1883, the restricted space and rising cost of the Baker Street site prompted her grandson Joseph Randall to commission the building at its current location on Marylebone Road."
You see, if something is popular, it relocates rather than closes down. Woolworths didn't close down because their lease ran out, even if it was as popular as Doctor Who back when Tom Baker bought a shilling of jelly babies a week from their Pick & Mix. Doctor Who repeats didn't relocate to BBC2 just because their 'lease' on BBC3 ran out, they were axed because of a massive and rapid collapse in popularity. Let's see if Class lasts as long as Torchwood...
Hey, I'm not the one trying to turn the Doctor Who forum into angry politics.
Except you are. It is you and another poster repeatedly replying to my perfectly non-angry first thought who have derailed the thread here. As usual.
If you perceive anger, perhaps you're mistaking frustration with your usual pattern of behaviour in the face of any blasphemous opinion that differs from your own regarding the popularity of Doctor Who and the divine perfection of Emperor Moffat. Worship him! Worship him!
And my earlier point still stands - You have now replied many times to me in this thread regarding my thought about political moods and Doctor Who. Yet you haven't once actually engaged in that discussion. You're constantly looking for a fight on these forums and then just smugly mock posters you can't out-argue.
I'm baffled by the irrelevance of this response. Meanwhile, here's a quote from Wikipedia regarding Madame Tussauds in London: "By 1883, the restricted space and rising cost of the Baker Street site prompted her grandson Joseph Randall to commission the building at its current location on Marylebone Road."
You see, if something is popular, it relocates rather than closes down. Woolworths didn't close down because their lease ran out, even if it was as popular as Doctor Who back when Tom Baker bought a shilling of jelly babies a week from their Pick & Mix. Doctor Who repeats didn't relocate to BBC2 just because their 'lease' on BBC3 ran out, they were axed because of a massive and rapid collapse in popularity. Let's see if Class lasts as long as Torchwood...
I don't believe there's a connection between the current political climate and loss of popularity, though it's an interesting correlation.
I only take issue with your use of "massive and rapid collapse" as it's an exaggeration.
Oh, I suppose I do also take issue with your usage of Boz's phrase "Moffat acolytes". You appeared to distance yourself from it, but then proceeded to use it anyway. A bit like having your cake and eating it.
Except you are. It is you and another poster repeatedly replying to my perfectly non-angry first thought who have derailed the thread here. As usual.
If you perceive anger, perhaps you're mistaking frustration with your usual pattern of behaviour in the face of any blasphemous opinion that differs from your own regarding the popularity of Doctor Who and the divine perfection of Emperor Moffat. Worship him! Worship him!
And my earlier point still stands - You have now replied many times to me in this thread regarding my thought about political moods and Doctor Who. Yet you haven't once actually engaged in that discussion. You're constantly looking for a fight on these forums and then just smugly mock posters you can't out-argue.
So I'm turning the thread into a political discussion, but I'm not actually engaging in the said discussion? Which one is it?
And Isambard, I'm not trying to "argue" otherwise I'd actually bother engaging your points, so don't flatter yourself thinking you're winning some sort of imaginary debate (I'm not even sure what we're supposed to be debating about!) that you're clearly eager to have.
Now, on your feet and worship the holy Moff, filthy Classic Who acolyte.
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http://www.techniquest.org/ If your in Cardiff is well worth a visit.
They're choosing not to, unfortunately.
Here's a thought about the overall decline of the Doctor Who franchise - Today, we live in a land where Brexit and Trump are more popular than not. Does the failure of the style of Moffat's Doctor Who reflect its clash with that prevalent attitude? Does Doctor Who need to become more right-wing to survive? We all love the episode where the Brig simply blows up the Sirians or Silurians or whatever they was called during the winter of discontent before Thatcher got in and invented the Walkman...
Yeah, I think it's about time Who became more "right wing." It's been run by all these liberal leftie luvvie dovey people like RTD and SM for too long. Still, fingers crossed, maybe Chibbers is that way inclined? (or they could get Gareth Roberts in as Showrunner? That'd work!)
As for production moving away from Cardiff, I can't see it in the foreseeable really. Apparently RTD only signed on the dotted line back in the day after he insisted that BBC Wales got the gig (citation needed) and it would be too costly to move the big eff off studio and the whole production team based in Cardiff Bay at present.
tl;dr? I think it's really RTD's fault as he set the tone, the big Welsh leftie. >:(
eta That was my attempt to keep the thread off topic. I thangyew.
That's a strong view you have, and certainly makes me wonder more. But at least you know that wasn't what I recommended in my post, especially as I pointed out that the show was popular when "liberal leftie luvvie dovey people" (as you call them) like RTD and Moffat were prominent, but has become significantly less popular in direct proportion to Brexit and Trump.
Like I said, you know that.
Start a new thread, man. It could be interesting! "Should Who Be More Right Wing" or summat. It might not go all RTD/Moffat for once!
Why start a new thread? Is it any more of a natural wondering of the mind (exploring the continual decline of Doctor Who) than your own posts on the same thread which I have also chosen to post to? I feel like you're trying to exclude me, like Brexiteer in a forum intended purely for LSE students.
To summarise, it just occurred to me tonight that Doctor Who has become a significantly less popular part of popular culture in an age of Brexit and Trump, compared to the time of Bush & Blair & Livingstone - when the show returned triumphantly.
In many ways, it could occur to a person that the denial some folks are in concerning Brexit and Trump is quite similar to Moffat "Acolytes" (as some other describe them) who refuse to acknowledge the ratings are lower and people in playgrounds, offices and coffee bars are generally less interested in Doctor Who.
Well at least you racked your brain for 50 minutes for a good retort before giving up. Even if after several hours you didn't offer any serious answer to my evening's pondering correlating the political mood of nations and the success of Doctor Who.
The first Doctor Who died on its arse during Thatcherism after peaking during the heyday of extremely socialist unions. The new Doctor Who peaked during a time when LSE students banned hand clapping in favour of jazz hands (because a round of applause intimidates stage speakers, apparently), and no-platformed Peter Tatchell for being homophobic.
Sorry if your only 'feeling' about my random ponderings on an Internet forum is something along the lines of, "Moffat rules, your mum smells! Nerr!"
Ehh wasn't gonna post but you actually do have a point tbh.
Well, sorry, mate. I'm a bit thick really. I'm gonna have to give it some serious thought and will get back to you in a couple of weeks. Actually, it might be next year as I really am that dense.
eta Just seen your edit. Grow up. I'm a Who fan. (It's a *family* show. ;-) ) I don't worship any particular person or era. This is all getting a bit pathetic, frankly.
You even linked the exact same thread you're posting in on the very same thread. You're on a roll.
To further my pondering... Will Moffat be remembered as the Tony Blair of Doctor Who, in the sense that he was swept into the job with an almost universal love and praise, and the highest of (unreasonable) expectations by fevered fans, only for it all to somehow unravel as the years went on, and ultimately become hated, not least by his formerly most vehement supporters as a criminal who ought to answer for his crimes (moon egg dragons, fireproof forests, new paradigm Daleks, empty rhetoric, etc)?
I genuinely ended my previous post saying I wondered how long it would be before Lord Smugsy chimed in with his usual, but deleted it because I thought it would be too provocative. True to form, you appeared minutes later with that!
Oh right. So there's no correlation between the change in political moods and the decline of Doctor Who in its current form then...
I never disappoint (unlike Moffat at Christmas).
Also: Lord Smugsy. I like that.
Actually, I think A Christmas Carol may well be his most proficient work as writer and executive producer.
Shame he got distracted by Caro Skinner and his plates started falling off his sticks. No wonder his two-year Silents story arc was so frustrating with such an unsatisfying pay-off relative to the investment made by the viewer.
Any opinions on the correlation between political moods and Doctor Who's success?
You have to choose, Mr. Eve. It's a bit greedy liking more than one era, it's not like it's the same show or anything. >:(
That's as honest and measured a sideways response as the American toy-throwers currently claiming they're going to leave the country because of Trump. Like all the Remainers who swore blind they were getting Irish passports and moving to France.
And you tell me to grow up?
Oh dear, has someone been in the politics forum?
"I didn't bury a body!"
No.
True to form again, young man, you repeatedly reply to my posts borne out of an opportune pondering about a correlation between political moods and the success/failure of Doctor Who over time whilst completely ignoring that point, instead adding nothing more than smug mockery of the poster.
Sorry, it's just that you seemed aching to get that off of your chest.
So I guess to answer your question, no, I don't think anybody's wondering about the correlation between politics and Doctor Who. I don't imagine anyone's going "Those gosh darn republicans are in charge again, suddenly I don't feel like watching British men travelling through time and space in a blue box".
I'm baffled by the irrelevance of this response. Meanwhile, here's a quote from Wikipedia regarding Madame Tussauds in London: "By 1883, the restricted space and rising cost of the Baker Street site prompted her grandson Joseph Randall to commission the building at its current location on Marylebone Road."
You see, if something is popular, it relocates rather than closes down. Woolworths didn't close down because their lease ran out, even if it was as popular as Doctor Who back when Tom Baker bought a shilling of jelly babies a week from their Pick & Mix. Doctor Who repeats didn't relocate to BBC2 just because their 'lease' on BBC3 ran out, they were axed because of a massive and rapid collapse in popularity. Let's see if Class lasts as long as Torchwood...
Hey, I'm not the one trying to turn the Doctor Who forum into angry politics.
Except you are. It is you and another poster repeatedly replying to my perfectly non-angry first thought who have derailed the thread here. As usual.
If you perceive anger, perhaps you're mistaking frustration with your usual pattern of behaviour in the face of any blasphemous opinion that differs from your own regarding the popularity of Doctor Who and the divine perfection of Emperor Moffat. Worship him! Worship him!
And my earlier point still stands - You have now replied many times to me in this thread regarding my thought about political moods and Doctor Who. Yet you haven't once actually engaged in that discussion. You're constantly looking for a fight on these forums and then just smugly mock posters you can't out-argue.
I don't believe there's a connection between the current political climate and loss of popularity, though it's an interesting correlation.
I only take issue with your use of "massive and rapid collapse" as it's an exaggeration.
Oh, I suppose I do also take issue with your usage of Boz's phrase "Moffat acolytes". You appeared to distance yourself from it, but then proceeded to use it anyway. A bit like having your cake and eating it.
So I'm turning the thread into a political discussion, but I'm not actually engaging in the said discussion? Which one is it?
And Isambard, I'm not trying to "argue" otherwise I'd actually bother engaging your points, so don't flatter yourself thinking you're winning some sort of imaginary debate (I'm not even sure what we're supposed to be debating about!) that you're clearly eager to have.
Now, on your feet and worship the holy Moff, filthy Classic Who acolyte.