Proof that Jesus existed.

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• FMKK Posts: 32,074

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  11/04/14 - 12:16 #2

  Forget THAT Jesus. Supply Side Jesus is where it's at.
  
  http://www.buzzfeed.com/provincialelitist/watch-al-frankens-the-gospel-of-supply-side-4t5

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• Mitten Kitten Posts: 1,185

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  11/04/14 - 12:42 #3

  Jesus was a common name in those times. How do they know which one it was referring to?

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• annette kurten Posts: 39,543

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  11/04/14 - 12:45 #4

  written several hundred years beyond his death, what is it supposed to be proving?

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• James Frederick Posts: 53,184

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  11/04/14 - 12:46 #5

  I thought it was going to be the first selfie found

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• chaff Posts: 985

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  11/04/14 - 12:49 #6

  I'm still holding out for fossil evidence of Raptor Jesus.

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• BelfastGuy125 Posts: 7,515

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  11/04/14 - 12:53 #7

  Jesus? Doesn't he play for Man City?

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• Fairyprincess0 Posts: 30,075

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  11/04/14 - 12:55 #8

  I've been waiting for space Jesus. I think he was killed by the C.I.A

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• PeteA Posts: 759

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  11/04/14 - 12:59 #9

  James Frederick wrote: »

  I thought it was going to be the first selfie found

  Wouldn't that be the Shroud of Turin? ;-)

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• Cryolemon Posts: 8,670

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  11/04/14 - 13:03 #10

  I'm an atheist, and I believe Jesus existed. I just don't believe he was the son of god. He was a radical preacher who pissed too many people off.

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• CravenHaven Posts: 13,953

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  11/04/14 - 13:08 #11

  I have in my possession the true gospel of Jesus' hairdresser. It's not very long, unlike Jesus' hair.

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• spiney2 Posts: 27,058

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  11/04/14 - 13:11 #12

  maybe they will find his teenage diary ....... "dad-up-there says i cant have a girlriend because of my Special Mission ......."

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• kimindex Posts: 68,250

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  11/04/14 - 13:19 #13

  I think there very probably was a preacher called Jesus in the Middle East at that time, just like there was almost certainly a fisherman called Jim in 20th century Grimsby.

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• Mark39London Posts: 3,977

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  11/04/14 - 13:26 #14

  Cryolemon wrote: »

  I'm an atheist, and I believe Jesus existed. I just don't believe he was the son of god. He was a radical preacher who pissed too many people off.

  
  As in a Christian version of Abu Hamza al-Masri.

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• lightdragon Posts: 19,059

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  11/04/14 - 13:26 #15

  I don't see how it's proof Jesus existed, just proof that he was written about, and I don't think anyone denies that.
  
  I still lean towards him being a metaphor or a literary tool/ personification of an idea(l), rather than a real person.

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• Viridiana Posts: 8,017

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  11/04/14 - 13:35 #16

  I'm an atheist and i also agree that Jesus existed.
  
  But this "evidence" means nothing, we are talking about something written in the middle ages about a Jesus. I do not know what authenticity they are trying to prove. It's not a fake in relation to what?

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• wakey Posts: 3,073

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  11/04/14 - 13:42 #17

  Cryolemon wrote: »

  I'm an atheist, and I believe Jesus existed. I just don't believe he was the son of god. He was a radical preacher who pissed too many people off.

  
  But where is the evidence. The Romans were some of the best record keepers in history but he isn't mentioned in any record during the period he should have been around based on Biblical accounts. The few Roman mentions of him come in two accounts that are been 70 and 90 years later. If there was a Radical preacher who was enough of a throne in the side of them that they felt he needed to be crucified surely there should be more records of him.
  
  I suspect that in reality Jesus is like Robin Hood. Its lots of different people and different stories that over the years have been amalgamated into single mythological person

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• Keyser_Soze1 Posts: 25,182

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  11/04/14 - 13:47 #18

  There is rather a long thread related to this very subject (and many and other things) which now basks the Holy Glory and Light of a Part Two! ;-)

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• kimindex Posts: 68,250

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  11/04/14 - 13:55 #19

  wakey wrote: »

  But where is the evidence. The Romans were some of the best record keepers in history but he isn't mentioned in any record during the period he should have been around based on Biblical accounts. The few Roman mentions of him come in two accounts that are been 70 and 90 years later. If there was a Radical preacher who was enough of a throne in the side of them that they felt he needed to be crucified surely there should be more records of him.
  
  I suspect that in reality Jesus is like Robin Hood. Its lots of different people and different stories that over the years have been amalgamated into single mythological person

  Yes, I think it's not unreasonable to think that a Jesus may have existed but the gospels weren't written as straightforward recounting of facts, but as propaganda, theology etc.
  
  A preacher or ideas of a preacher may have been a useful hook to hang the start of a movement on and politics and culture took over from there over the centuries.

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• edEx Posts: 13,460

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  11/04/14 - 14:00 #20

  From the article....

  But King says the fragment does not mean Jesus had a wife, but rather is an affirmation that "that women who are mothers and wives can be disciples of Jesus — a topic that was hotly debated in early Christianity as celibate virginity increasingly became highly valued," King explained in the statement.

  There were absolutely MASSES of religions and cults across ancient Greece and the Middle East that valued celibate virginity. Just another thing the Christians pinched from other faiths by the look of things.

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• lightdragon Posts: 19,059

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  11/04/14 - 14:02 #21

  edEx wrote: »

  From the article....
  
  There were absolutely MASSES of religions and cults across ancient Greece and the Middle East that valued celibate virginity. Just another thing the Christians pinched from other faiths by the look of things.

  
  In fairness it's a stroke of genius in order to get people to convert. ;-)

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• cantos Posts: 7,368

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  11/04/14 - 15:15 #22

  Jesus obviously existed as he was recorded in Roman documents from the time.
  
  Whether all the other facts about him are true are open to debate.

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• edEx Posts: 13,460

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  11/04/14 - 15:21 #23

  cantos wrote: »

  Jesus obviously existed as he was recorded in Roman documents from the time

  Sorry, but he wasn't. That's why people doubt that he existed at all.

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• Arcana Posts: 37,521

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  11/04/14 - 15:22 #24

  I suspect Mr Christ is a composite character like Robin Hood or most of the protagonists in The Great Escape.

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• edEx Posts: 13,460

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  11/04/14 - 15:23 #25

  Arcana wrote: »

  I suspect Mr Christ is a composite character like Robin Hood or most of the protagonists in The Great Escape.

  Christ on a motorbike

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• platelet Posts: 26,386

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  11/04/14 - 15:25 #26

  Cryolemon wrote: »

  I'm an atheist, and I believe Jesus existed. I just don't believe he was the son of god. He was a radical preacher who pissed too many people off.

  
  He's not the Messiah , He's a very naughty boy

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