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Guardiola & Man City
Surprised not to see a thread on this - at least I can't find one.
This appointment actually annoys me, and really should annoy a lot of fans of football. Here you have one of the best managers in the game, going to a club that has already stated the pot is as full as needs be (ie: unlimited cash supply), and is currently sitting where it could win 4 trophies this year.
The news is that this is a £9m deal to Pep, but honestly, where is the challenge? All I can see now is him being able to gather up any player he wishes, for any amount of money the seller requires, and 'win' everything, every year, easy!
I am sure there are other views than mine in here?
This appointment actually annoys me, and really should annoy a lot of fans of football. Here you have one of the best managers in the game, going to a club that has already stated the pot is as full as needs be (ie: unlimited cash supply), and is currently sitting where it could win 4 trophies this year.
The news is that this is a £9m deal to Pep, but honestly, where is the challenge? All I can see now is him being able to gather up any player he wishes, for any amount of money the seller requires, and 'win' everything, every year, easy!
I am sure there are other views than mine in here?
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He has never really worked in a competitive league before. The Premiership is very different from any where he has been before and with the new grounds being built and the new TV deals etc even with Cities money there are clubs who might not outspend them but if they choose to can spend massive amounts of money plus a fair few clubs who can spend decent amounts of money. The way our league is set up compared to the previous leagues just about ensures winning it is never "easy"
They have had limitless money and a great manager and have been able to gather up most players yet have been unable to dominate the league and I really don't think that will change just because Pepe walks though the door.
I have never understood why people expect top managers to go to clubs of a lower quality then they are use too. You would not expect that to happen in many other industries and really don't see why football should be any different.
Although they have done quite well in the league Europe has been a major problem for them and I think that is one of the reason's they are bringing Pepe in. For City going forward they need to work on their brand and Pepe is a much better fit for them going forward then their current manager.
The ones that are normally exclusive to Real Madrid, Barcelona and Bayern Munich
That said whilst I see what the OP is saying it was much the same story when Chelsea were taken over and indeed when City were taken over - no one else was ever going to see a trophy. It didn't turn out like that and I don't believe its a gimme that Guardiola will be a roaring success although obviously it would surprise no-one if he was.
Totally agree. Of course I don't expect him to rock up at one of the clubs that regularly fight relegation every season however,
Bayern Munich had just won the treble before he arrived. A well run club with an excellent squad.
Barcelona. I don't wish to diminish his achievements here whatsoever but having Messi, Iniesta and Xavi at their prime certainly helps to build a team that can potentially dominate football for quite a few years. Obviously he did an amazing job there so I'll leave it at that.
With City, again, a well run club right down to the academy. Possibly the weaker of the three in terms of squads but lots of potential and endless pots of cash. No FFP to worry about either. Recent premier league champions.
He's not really moving out of his comfort zone but as other decorated managers have found out the Premier league is tough. He might find it far more difficult to flutter his eyelashes at others playing in this league as many clubs won't bow down to selling their best players unless it suits.
Of course as a Utd fan I hope he falls on his arse!
If he can get Man City to play in the same style as his previous clubs it really would be pretty amazing.
There isn't a better manager out there at the moment but Pellegrini will be a hard act to follow, Pellegrini has one of the best records in PL history.
Agreed but I must admit there is a part of me that would like to see him do a Klopp and take on a club with constraints, not because he should (I wouldn't!) but just to see if he could make it happen there. Any club he goes to is going to have massive resources and rightly so. I don't really know of any manager who would deliberately take a lower club "for the challenge", its not a game of Football Manager!
West Ham moving to the Olympic Stadium, Spurs moving shortly to their new stadium, god only knows this is a one time only deal with Leicester or not, and the usual top clubs (Man Utd, Arsenal, and one should suspect Chelsea to bounce back from this season).
I just don't see how or why Guardiola going to City automatically means that they will win everything in sight, this is a very competitive league, unlike what he has been in charge of previously.
There are no "gimmies" in terms of teams rolling over like there are in Spain (just look at Real's recent 10 goal derby victory), so he will have to adapt to also not having a winter break, and also playing in multiple cup competitions, something that for example Klopp has found to be a bit of strain.
Of course he is a top class manager, if not the best around, but talk of him walking away with things, is a tad bit premature.
It is a strange and perverse logic, surely if you consider yourself to be the best manager, then you would want to manage the best clubs?
Why would you want to settle for anything else?
As fans of course it would be ace to see José or Guardiola etc at Crewe or Barnet for example, just to see how they would cope without having the ridiculously high budgets that they are used to, but that is just never going to be the case.
Only two teams have defended the league (and its not happened in something like 6 years). Only one team has won it three times in a row.
Yes while taking a club like Liverpool to the title would be a challenge or turning Spurs into a top 4 team season after season is a challenge the challenges that the managers of teams like City,Utd and Chelsea have are just as difficult.
The thing who decides what a 'challenge' is. A Sunderland fan could say Klopp should of challenged himself with a club like Sunderland rather than Liverpool.
One thing i think people seem to forget about Guardiola is his not just looking to come and win trophies. His quest for success goes far beyond winning trophies.
Also for all those that seem to think this wouldn't be a challenge for guardiola I don't remember the same outcry when Pellegrini took the job. There was no questioning of the choice to go to City.
City to me a very good side but nowhere near great and that's the aim.
The club has everything ready for him though, including the two Spanish directors who know him well and all the way down to the academy, everything is set up for him.
For me personally I would of liked to have took a chance on Diego Simeone as he is doing a very good job at Atletico Madrid and I think he has a very bright future as a manager.
It's not going to be easy for him and he can't buy every great player.
As yet not won the CL with Bayern so no guarantee he will do so at City.
Nothing but good for the PL I would say.
I agree with you. There's a first.
Why on earth should a top manager take anything other than a top job.
I read somewhere that Jose should take on a struggling team
Why ? He's earnt the right as others have to dine at the top table only.
This isn't a 'because he's joined City' post as this has been my opinion for ages, even when he was linked to us. It's difficult to question a manager who has won what he has but at the same time I don't think you can ignore the fortuitous circumstances that he encountered.
iirc bayern won the treble under heynckes in his last year before guardiola took over
could lightning strike twice ?
Mourinho shouldn't need to take on a struggling team to prove himself. Whilst Porto and Inter weren't exactly struggling teams within their own leagues, it was far from easy winning the Champions League with either of them, whilst maintaining their domestic success too.
Guardiola also shouldn't have any obligation to take over a lesser club either, but because we can only judge him on managing at two of the biggest and wealthiest clubs in Europe it does leave question marks over whether he would be able to cut it at a club that doesn't have all of the best resources available to him.
Absolutely. It is possible to appreciate that he's clearly very good at what he does whilst at the same time questioning how he'd fare in a league that is more competitive and where he doesn't have a team that is so far ahead of its' rivals.
This is why I'd personally be more concerned about Mourinho going to United than Guardiola going to City, because I already know what Mourinho's capable of, whereas Guardiola still has some question marks surrounding him.
Arent you somewhat getting your points mixed up?
If Pep wasn't available then why would anyone wanted to get rid of Pellegrini?
He could have had several more successful years there.
are you really saying la life or the bundesliga is worse than the SPL?
What other coach has reached the last 4 as a minimum in the CL in every season his managed a side in the competiton?
Answer: None
I remember last season when bayern lost there first leg to Porto last season and people started writing guardiola off. 2nd leg they hammered Porto but no praise for the turnaround.
Nope, the post you quoted was just picking up from what James said regarding the question marks over how Pep will fare in a more competitive league. Seems on track to me.