Gordon Brown's speech yesterday - more a roar of pain and anger - perfectly illustrated the problem.
He insisted that he had stood up to the Murdochs and that he and his ministers resisted demands for the BBC licence fee to be cut and its activities scaled back and for the regulator Ofcom to be neutered.
Yet again your opinion, which as usual, the more you carry on with it becomes more and more apparent is based solely on whatever the 'BBC fanboys/anti Murdoch lefties' say.... just say the opposite.
Next you'll be criticising others for not entering debate with you.
Lets talk about fantasy shall we?
Do you think that the arrest of an ex news of the world editor today is fantasy?
Do you think the hacking of Millie Dowler's phone is fantasy?
Do you think the unprecedented scenes in Parliament to oust Murdoch's grip on the political system is fantasy? Because make NO mistake this is what is happening right now.
Do you think James Murdoch admitting to signing of large chunks of cash for hush hush payments is fantasy?
Do you think TNOTW's Royal Editor being sent to jail is fantasy?
Do you think Rebeka Wade admitting to buying off police is fantasy.
Do you think Andy Coulson admitting to buying of police is fantasy. (even though he said it was 'within the law:D)
Do you think that after the 2002 hearing in which Wade/Coulson made those statements about paying police that Rupert Murdoch was unaware of it (the hearing and what they said) A media tycoon famed for having a close eye on what is going on and being very hands on? And even if he didn't know at the time what measures and assurances did he put in place and give to Government that it wouldn't happen again within his corporation?
Fantasy enough for you?
And what do you do, provide a link to 'The Terminator' Oh dear.:D
The long term licence fee freeze and the transfer of additional funding responsiblities to the BBC (World Service, S4C) led to an effective cut of 15-20% of the BBC's budget.
Regardless of whether you, the reader, regards this as a good thing, bad thing, or couldn't care less, is David Cameron on record (not in the Houses of Parliament) as confirming the cuts were not made as a result of any Murdoch request/demand?
Has anyone asked him, and received a straight yes or no answer, rather than the unrelated waffle I received when I asked about the freeze?
Please don't let this thread degenerate into BBC-bashing/Murdoch-bashing/Cameron-bashing. There are already various threads dedicated to these activities!
As I recall the BBC were satisified with the licence fee settlement as they feared much worse (paying for over 75's licence fees I think).
The BBC is very good (although I have questioned their funding model) but I don't see why a state broadcaster should be immune from cuts in this climate.
8 Coastguard stations were confirmed as being closed today (and even that is better than first expected) in addition to everything else that we already know about, sadly the BBC can no longer expect year on year licence fee rises when many people haven't received a pay rise for a long time, I haven't for three years but I cannot complain compared to some. I suspect these cuts are more to do with economics than Murdoch although I agree he detests the Corporation.
And the Corporation hates him, and i'm not that fond of him right now either!
Try living in the real world. It's a private conversation where nobody else will ever get evidence of what is discussed.
A 'private conversation' held in a Government building, where nymerous Government employees would know who was in attendance. And if it was a completely private meeting, off the record, no binding agreement could be made on anything anyway. I'm not saying there's no such thing as corruption in Government-there's a possiblity of corruption in any organization-but it would be a lot harder to get away with than I think some people realize.
Really Labour's attempts to try and rewrite history and claim that they were never in bed with Murdoch are somewhat pathetic.
Labour took home Test cricket off the protected events list in 1998 so Sky could bid for the rights, and yesterday Ben Bradshaw had the audacity to claim that it's the Tories' fault that people can no longer watch Test cricket live on BBC or Channel 4.
Really Labour's attempts to try and rewrite history and claim that they were never in bed with Murdoch are somewhat pathetic.
Labour took home Test cricket off the protected events list in 1998 so Sky could bid for the rights, and yesterday Ben Bradshaw had the audacity to claim that it's the Tories' fault that people can no longer watch Test cricket live on BBC or Channel 4.
No no, that's all lies, none of it is true, the links I provided are all fantasy as well, none of it ever happened because anyone that thinks it did is just a Murdoch hating loony leftie that is really envious of Murdoch's success.
I guess you didn't hear MPs from all parties praising Sky News for its excellent record with impartial news for over 25 years?
Nevertheless, I agree the BBC needs to be protected. I have being saying this on these forums for a long time, as someone who always had the BBC's protection at heart, that unfortunately with a massive currently outdated scope it will simply dig its own grave. Right now it needs to decide carefully what kind of scope a PSB should function as. I would also say that its current dominance in News is very unhealthy in the broadcasting landscape.
Reviewing carefully how much funds it needs to function with a new clear scope by using realistic weighted income streams whether it be publicly funded, charity donations or using its commerical arm.
I certainly see the BBC having a great future in British broadcasting as broadcasting parliament and debate proceedings (sort of a similar function that C-SPAN has in the United States) and certain "core" PSB current affairs programming.
The BBC sets the standard across the board. Without the BBC...
The commercial sector is dire, bar the odd programming. We need a strong public sector broadcaster. The Murdoch business tells us why.
A 'private conversation' held in a Government building, where nymerous Government employees would know who was in attendance. And if it was a completely private meeting, off the record, no binding agreement could be made on anything anyway. I'm not saying there's no such thing as corruption in Government-there's a possiblity of corruption in any organization-but it would be a lot harder to get away with than I think some people realize.
They meet in Cameron's office do you think it's bugged? That's a real conspiracy theory!
It is my understanding private meetings do not have to be minuted. Why do you think Murdoch crept into the Downing Street flat via the back door?
The infamous meeting between Mrs Thatcher & the Cheif Constable of South Yorkshire Police the day after the Hillsbourgh tradgedy was not minuted much to the annoyance of the familes involved as it will nver be known if Mrs T congratulated him on a job well done.
These secret meetings between media moguls & the government are at the heart of the hacking scandal. Funny how Gordon Brown refuses to prune back the BBC, water down OFCOM & NI hook up to the tories who it seems where only to happy to facilitate this in order to get Mr Murdochs backing, wasnt George Osborne instrumental in getting NI to come on board? Hence Georges dour look all the way through PMQ's while the Murdochs been the main debate, George a little bit worried that something might come out?
Mr Cameron if shown to have gleefuly accepted NI's backing on the uderstanding that he'd take on the BBC & OFCOM has shown that national interest is not a high priority when it comes to self interest in wanting to get elected & those grounds alone he should be fully investigated along with Tony Blair for just what they agreed to do in return for Murdochs press publishing favourable stories.
The hacking scandal as bad as it is is small fry compared to just what people like Cameron & Blair where upto in selling the nations soul to placate a media moguls whims on being the dominant player & the profits to be made.
Did Cameron's Government cut BBC on Murdoch request?
I don't think we'll ever get to see the precise trancripts of the various meetings that have taken place between senior Conservative politicians, Cameron included, and News Corporation exectives.
However, I am sure that the Conservatives picked up on any messages about an over-powerful BBC and Culture Secretary Jeremy Hunt duly obliged with a double whammy of a harsh licence fee settlement plus forcing the BBC to take responsibility for the World Service, S4C and the Caversham monitoring station.
Thus the Conservative party duly paid back News Corporation for their support in the 2010 general election.
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Gordon Brown's speech yesterday - more a roar of pain and anger - perfectly illustrated the problem.
So, Murdoch tried it on Brown when he was PM.
Do you REALLY think he didn't on Cameron??!!
Could you tell me what is fantasy about these.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...ivate-yacht.do
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6033333.stm
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/news/2010/05/21/pm-pay-back-to-murdoch-115875-22273847/
(This 'back door meeting' was also raised in the Parliament debate)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2007/jan/26/newsoftheworld.pressandpublishing1
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/161968.html
Yet again your opinion, which as usual, the more you carry on with it becomes more and more apparent is based solely on whatever the 'BBC fanboys/anti Murdoch lefties' say.... just say the opposite.
Next you'll be criticising others for not entering debate with you.
Lets talk about fantasy shall we?
Do you think that the arrest of an ex news of the world editor today is fantasy?
Do you think the hacking of Millie Dowler's phone is fantasy?
Do you think the unprecedented scenes in Parliament to oust Murdoch's grip on the political system is fantasy? Because make NO mistake this is what is happening right now.
Do you think James Murdoch admitting to signing of large chunks of cash for hush hush payments is fantasy?
Do you think TNOTW's Royal Editor being sent to jail is fantasy?
Do you think Rebeka Wade admitting to buying off police is fantasy.
Do you think Andy Coulson admitting to buying of police is fantasy. (even though he said it was 'within the law:D)
Do you think that after the 2002 hearing in which Wade/Coulson made those statements about paying police that Rupert Murdoch was unaware of it (the hearing and what they said) A media tycoon famed for having a close eye on what is going on and being very hands on? And even if he didn't know at the time what measures and assurances did he put in place and give to Government that it wouldn't happen again within his corporation?
Fantasy enough for you?
And what do you do, provide a link to 'The Terminator' Oh dear.:D
RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY! :rolleyes:
The BBC is very good (although I have questioned their funding model) but I don't see why a state broadcaster should be immune from cuts in this climate.
8 Coastguard stations were confirmed as being closed today (and even that is better than first expected) in addition to everything else that we already know about, sadly the BBC can no longer expect year on year licence fee rises when many people haven't received a pay rise for a long time, I haven't for three years but I cannot complain compared to some. I suspect these cuts are more to do with economics than Murdoch although I agree he detests the Corporation.
And the Corporation hates him, and i'm not that fond of him right now either!
A 'private conversation' held in a Government building, where nymerous Government employees would know who was in attendance. And if it was a completely private meeting, off the record, no binding agreement could be made on anything anyway. I'm not saying there's no such thing as corruption in Government-there's a possiblity of corruption in any organization-but it would be a lot harder to get away with than I think some people realize.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8097410/Cameron-sparks-row-over-delicious-BBC-cuts.html
Yes, from the Torygraph.
Nothing fantasy about this either:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/how-murdoch-had-a-hotline-to-the-pm-in-the-runup-to-iraq-war-457825.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/nov/01/media-rupertmurdoch
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2010/feb/24/revealed-deal-between-murdoch-blair
Really Labour's attempts to try and rewrite history and claim that they were never in bed with Murdoch are somewhat pathetic.
Labour took home Test cricket off the protected events list in 1998 so Sky could bid for the rights, and yesterday Ben Bradshaw had the audacity to claim that it's the Tories' fault that people can no longer watch Test cricket live on BBC or Channel 4.
No no, that's all lies, none of it is true, the links I provided are all fantasy as well, none of it ever happened because anyone that thinks it did is just a Murdoch hating loony leftie that is really envious of Murdoch's success.
The BBC sets the standard across the board. Without the BBC...
The commercial sector is dire, bar the odd programming. We need a strong public sector broadcaster. The Murdoch business tells us why.
They meet in Cameron's office do you think it's bugged? That's a real conspiracy theory!
At 00:35
Not Cameron's office..but........:eek::D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6vPO0io-cc&NR=1
I understood he followed the advice of his civil servants.
Did Broon and Blair keep minutes of all their meetings with Murdoch as well as people from all the other newspaper groups?
Cameron mentioned a meeting with the editor of the Guardian, does that prove he is being influenced by them?
The infamous meeting between Mrs Thatcher & the Cheif Constable of South Yorkshire Police the day after the Hillsbourgh tradgedy was not minuted much to the annoyance of the familes involved as it will nver be known if Mrs T congratulated him on a job well done.
These secret meetings between media moguls & the government are at the heart of the hacking scandal. Funny how Gordon Brown refuses to prune back the BBC, water down OFCOM & NI hook up to the tories who it seems where only to happy to facilitate this in order to get Mr Murdochs backing, wasnt George Osborne instrumental in getting NI to come on board? Hence Georges dour look all the way through PMQ's while the Murdochs been the main debate, George a little bit worried that something might come out?
Mr Cameron if shown to have gleefuly accepted NI's backing on the uderstanding that he'd take on the BBC & OFCOM has shown that national interest is not a high priority when it comes to self interest in wanting to get elected & those grounds alone he should be fully investigated along with Tony Blair for just what they agreed to do in return for Murdochs press publishing favourable stories.
The hacking scandal as bad as it is is small fry compared to just what people like Cameron & Blair where upto in selling the nations soul to placate a media moguls whims on being the dominant player & the profits to be made.
I don't think we'll ever get to see the precise trancripts of the various meetings that have taken place between senior Conservative politicians, Cameron included, and News Corporation exectives.
However, I am sure that the Conservatives picked up on any messages about an over-powerful BBC and Culture Secretary Jeremy Hunt duly obliged with a double whammy of a harsh licence fee settlement plus forcing the BBC to take responsibility for the World Service, S4C and the Caversham monitoring station.
Thus the Conservative party duly paid back News Corporation for their support in the 2010 general election.