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Women voters switch from the Conservatives to Labour

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Labour surges 12 points ahead in polls to biggest lead over the Tories in a decade as women voters desert David Cameron
  • ICM/Guardian: Labour 41%, Conservatives, 29%, Lib Dems 13%, UKIP 9%
  • Female voters deserting Tories for Labour - 26% more would vote for them
  • In/out referendum promise has not stopped UKIP gaining votes
  • Labour lead despite lack of faith in Ed Miliband as leader
  • Only 18% asked thought him 'good in a crisis' - half PM's rating

Labour has surged to its biggest lead over the Tories in the polls for a decade as female voters continue to desert the Prime Minister.

If a General Election was held today Ed Miliband's party would probably secure 41 per cent of the vote while David Cameron's Conservatives would get 29 per cent - down four per cent in a month.

Female support for the Tories is plummeting as among women 26 per cent more would vote for Labour - 51 to 25 - whereas Labour only get seven per cent more support from men - 36 to 29.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2277463/Labour-biggest-lead-Tories-decade-women-turn-David-Cameron.html#ixzz2KhNFjaOg
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Nice Pie charts from the Mail!

Looks like many women feel they will be better off under Labour. Plus the EU referendum has made no progress in getting back UKIP voters.

The Conservatives only chance this side of the election is to fight it presidential style making the most of the TV debates, as Ed Miliband seems to be Labours weak point.
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    welwynrosewelwynrose Posts: 33,666
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    isn't this a poll for the Guardian - so no surprises there then
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    FlorianFlorian Posts: 305
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    I am not politically affiliated with any political party but I intensely dislike the Tory party

    The Conservative Party are very misogynistic so no surprise women are turning their backs on them. The Tories do nothing for women so there is no reason that women should vote for them.
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    blueisthecolourblueisthecolour Posts: 20,127
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    IMO the gay marriage thing has hit the Tories a bit. It wound up the right and reminded the liberal centre that elements of the 'nasty' party remain.

    However I think the main reason is that the heavy press on that and Europe means that Labour have been out of the spotlight again. Ed always does better when everyone forgets that he's around ;-)
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    deptfordbakerdeptfordbaker Posts: 22,368
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    If Cameron loses another election its time for a big clear out at the top of the Conservative party. They need more working class, women, ethnic minority ministers for a start.

    Secondly they need to get all these divisive issues out of the way, or just ditch them. It makes them look divided which is really bad electorally.

    Finally they need to produce conservative policies which work for people in the street. The last time they managed it, was when the allowed people to buy and sell their council houses and move to nicer areas.

    The Conservatives keep forgetting their greatest advantage, being the party of aspiration and financial competence. They need to leave liberal policies to the progressive parties and focus on making conservatism mainstream.
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    deptfordbakerdeptfordbaker Posts: 22,368
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    IMO the gay marriage thing has hit the Tories a bit. It wound up the right and reminded the liberal centre that elements of the 'nasty' party remain.

    However I think the main reason is that the heavy press on that and Europe means that Labour have been out of the spotlight again. Ed always does better when everyone forgets that he's around ;-)

    Gay marriage has really backfired for the Conservatives. All it has done is show the Conservatives are divided and living in an era that people don't recognise any more. It is not the fault of those that voted against on principle, but Cameron's fault for trying to force the party to implement progressive liberal polies that should be best left to the other parties.

    I mean why not do something like focus on starting businesses in inner city areas, to create jobs for ethnic minorities. If they want to get more gay votes how about a campaign to crack down on homophobic bullying in schools, via zero tolerance. These are real conservative style policies in action, that have been implemented in a way that effect real people.
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    PrestonAlPrestonAl Posts: 10,342
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    Gay marriage has really backfired for the Conservatives. All it has done is show the Conservatives are divided and living in an era that people don't recognise any more. It is not the fault of those that voted against on principle, but Cameron's fault for trying to force the party to implement progressive liberal polies that should be best left to the other parties.

    I mean why not do something like focus on starting businesses in inner city areas, to create jobs for ethnic minorities. If they want to get more gay votes how about a campaign to crack down on homophobic bullying in schools, via zero tolerance. These are real conservative style policies in action, that have been implemented in a way that effect real people.
    The tories are running out of young supporters. Cameron is trying to bring the party into the present/future.

    If they don't, they'll never win another election.
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    TeeGeeTeeGee Posts: 5,772
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    If Cameron loses another election its time for a big clear out at the top of the Conservative party. They need more working class, women, ethnic minority ministers for a start.

    But that is what Labour do...? :confused:
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    deptfordbakerdeptfordbaker Posts: 22,368
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    TeeGee wrote: »
    But that is what Labour do...? :confused:

    The Conservative party has loads of female and ethnic minority MP's and probably some working class ones somewhere. Huge amounts of young dynamic talent. The problem is, all the high command are all old Etonians, more or less and Cameron's mates.
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    deptfordbakerdeptfordbaker Posts: 22,368
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    PrestonAl wrote: »
    The tories are running out of young supporters. Cameron is trying to bring the party into the present/future.

    If they don't, they'll never win another election.

    No they are not. Look, people choose political parties because they are supposed to believe in something. I see young Conservatives on Twitter all the time. What they don't need is to adopt liberal policies, as they wont get new voters and they will lose the ones they have.

    What they need to do, is be able to make Conservative policies work for ordinary people and maybe it will be the next generation of Conservatives that will be able to achieve that.

    UKIP and the Conservatives need to reunite under a new right wing block. With gay marriage out of the way and perhaps a referendum on the EU, they should be able to leave the divisive issues in the past.
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    wallsterwallster Posts: 17,609
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    Florian wrote: »
    I am not politically affiliated with any political party but I intensely dislike the Tory party

    The Conservative Party are very misogynistic so no surprise women are turning their backs on them. The Tories do nothing for women so there is no reason that women should vote for them.

    What would you like them to do for women? Treat them differently than men? Whatever happened to equality :confused:
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    wallsterwallster Posts: 17,609
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    No they are not. Look, people choose political parties because they are supposed to believe in something. I see young Conservatives on Twitter all the time. What they don't need is to adopt liberal policies, as they wont get new voters and they will lose the ones they have.

    What they need to do, is be able to make Conservative policies work for ordinary people and maybe it will be the next generation of Conservatives that will be able to achieve that.

    UKIP and the Conservatives need to reunite under a new right wing block. With gay marriage out of the way and perhaps a referendum on the EU, they should be able to leave the divisive issues in the past.

    I see no reason for Conservatives to unite with a bunch of nutters.
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    GreatGodPanGreatGodPan Posts: 53,186
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    wallster wrote: »
    What would you like them to do for women? Treat them differently than men? Whatever happened to equality :confused:

    Women are still waiting for it.
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    PrestonAlPrestonAl Posts: 10,342
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    No they are not. Look, people choose political parties because they are supposed to believe in something. I see young Conservatives on Twitter all the time. What they don't need is to adopt liberal policies, as they wont get new voters and they will lose the ones they have.

    What they need to do, is be able to make Conservative policies work for ordinary people and maybe it will be the next generation of Conservatives that will be able to achieve that.

    UKIP and the Conservatives need to reunite under a new right wing block. With gay marriage out of the way and perhaps a referendum on the EU, they should be able to leave the divisive issues in the past.

    Apart from young voters and women voters are turned off by the tories, because of their views. Being a tory shouldn't mean being a bigot.

    As for merging with UKIP. UKIP are the old dissatisfied tory voters. The ones who are aghast at gay marriage. These are the type of voters that are dying out (quite literally).

    Being a conservative doesn't mean bigotry.
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    welwynrosewelwynrose Posts: 33,666
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    Women are still waiting for it.


    Why on earth would I want to lower my standards ;)
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    cheesy_pastycheesy_pasty Posts: 4,302
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    wallster wrote: »
    I see no reason for Conservatives to unite with a bunch of nutters.

    Define "nutters".

    The BNP are "nutters", UKIP...not quite on the same level.

    Hell with some of the anti-poor policies the government keep pulling out, one could argue that the conservatives are "nutters".
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 16,275
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    IMO the gay marriage thing has hit the Tories a bit. It wound up the right and reminded the liberal centre that elements of the 'nasty' party remain.

    However I think the main reason is that the heavy press on that and Europe means that Labour have been out of the spotlight again. Ed always does better when everyone forgets that he's around ;-)

    Just like the Conservatives suffer when Cameron (or any of the cabinet for that matter) is on camera.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 16,275
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    PrestonAl wrote: »
    The tories are running out of young supporters. Cameron is trying to bring the party into the present/future.

    If they don't, they'll never win another election.

    They've never had the young vote it's the old vote that is dying.
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    LostFoolLostFool Posts: 90,659
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    The Conservatives only chance this side of the election is to fight it presidential style making the most of the TV debates, as Ed Miliband seems to be Labours weak point.

    That's exactly what they will do - make the election a choice between Cameron and Miliband. It's a strategy that worked well for Labour under Blair.

    Labour's best chance of winning is if the economy doesn't pick up. Enough people will be willing to give another lot a chance even if it's the Two Eds.
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    Alan1981Alan1981 Posts: 5,416
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    It does not say much for the tories that people would rather vote for a party that bankrupted us.
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    deptfordbakerdeptfordbaker Posts: 22,368
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    PrestonAl wrote: »
    Apart from young voters and women voters are turned off by the tories, because of their views. Being a tory shouldn't mean being a bigot.

    As for merging with UKIP. UKIP are the old dissatisfied tory voters. The ones who are aghast at gay marriage. These are the type of voters that are dying out (quite literally).

    Being a conservative doesn't mean bigotry.

    Young people may be more progressive, but they don't vote unlike the pensioners, which is why politicians ignore them. The ones that decided to give politics a go and support the Lib Dems to abolish tuition fees, may be put off politics for years.

    The other thing that is happening is less and less people vote, simply because they think all politicians are the same. Plus sooner or later the Scottish MP's will leave parliament handing the Conservatives a 30 MP advantage. Throw in the eventual boundary changes and it becomes 50. Also young people growing up in non metropolitan multicultural liberal areas may have the same views as their parents.

    As for women I doubt the EU or gay marriage are big factors. It is more likely to be an absence of any policy that helps them in their everyday lives.

    The right does need to unite though and may well do once the EU, Immigration and gay marriage are resolved. Many migrants who are here because of the progressives, are ironically, extremely conservative and probably would have supported the Conservative rebels on gay marriage.
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    SaturnSaturn Posts: 18,971
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    Women won't be rushing to vote for Ed Miliband once campaigning starts. He just hasn't got 'it'.
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    MARTYM8MARTYM8 Posts: 44,710
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    PrestonAl wrote: »
    The tories are running out of young supporters. Cameron is trying to bring the party into the present/future.

    If they don't, they'll never win another election.

    As Churchill once said 'If you aren't a socialist at 20 you have no heart. If you aren't a Conservative at 40 you have no brain'.

    The point being that young people start young and idealistic - and vote Labour or Lib Dem. When you take out of the system you think the state/govt is great and can solve everything.

    Then you get older, get a job, a mortgage, pay taxes - and are more likely to end up voting Tory.

    And I doubt - generally - that will ever change. Once you have something that you earned you are less likely to want to give it up.

    Just an observation - but one born out by history. Labour even had to elect a leader that looked and sounded like a Tory to win 3 terms in office. Just cos someone votes Labour at 20 does not mean they will still do so at 45!
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    deptfordbakerdeptfordbaker Posts: 22,368
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    whip wrote: »
    They've never had the young vote it's the old vote that is dying.

    But older voters vote and the young don't. All political parties are losing supporters, but to say that there are not a new generation of Conservatives is not correct.

    Moving to the centre picks up some voters but also loses some. It is far better to make the policies the party actually believes in work for the mainstream, rather than adopt the other parties policies, as voters will just believe they will do any thing to get elected.

    Gay Marriage was a huge tactical mistake, as I think with hindsight was entering a coalition. If Cameron loses the 2015 election, he and his inner circle will be swept aside and the next generation, more recognisable to the public will take over. Gay Marriage, the EU etc will be in the past so hopefully they can focus on more pressing Conservative issues.
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    welwynrosewelwynrose Posts: 33,666
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    whip wrote: »
    They've never had the young vote it's the old vote that is dying.

    I've been voting for decades and have always voted for them
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    LandisLandis Posts: 14,856
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    wallster wrote: »
    What would you like them to do for women? Treat them differently than men? Whatever happened to equality :confused:

    The Tories opposed the minimum wage which mainly benefited women. I think it will take a long time for that to be forgotten.
    I am trying to imagine what life would be like (for some) in 2013 if the legislation had not been passed.....(shudders).
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