[Robert Hill]

Joshua Welby, #48
I don't know whether I have misunderstood your post, but I got a new Panasonic Television.
Model TX –L37E5B of course I bought it locally and not in Ireland. But when you first start setup.The options are, UK – – IRELAND.
Now when this same model is sold in Ireland, may be it doesn't have the B at the end of the model number. I don't know? But there is certainly UK and IRELAND options shown at start-up setup.

[reslfj]

Originally Posted by the cush

....A 2008 & 2009 Sony TV, a 2009 Samsung, a 2010 Philips plus others in other family members' homes. Not a T2 or Saorview approved model in sight, all working happily with MPEG-4 Saorview.

From late Q1 2010 both FreeviewHD (DVB-T2) STB's and IDTVs were on the market i the UK. It was more than anything a marketing decision not to include DVB-T2 in ROI.

Originally Posted by the cush

Since maybe 2007/2008 the big manufacturers started to include MPEG-4 video decoders in their DVB-T TVs for countries like France, Norway, Estonia etc..

The first DVB-T/MPEG-4 HP L4.0 with (HE-AAC audio) STB's were flown into Norway a few days before the Oslo DSO September 1-6 2007. The early versions had more firmware problems. The IDTV's were not available before early 2008 and only few models were available during H1 of 2008. The 'picnic boxes' are SD only MPEG-4, which is not much better than MPEG-2.

Sweden stopped approving new MPEG-2 only models from
April 1. 2008 and converted the se-mux6 to DVB-T2 from October 2010.

Estonia did not use HE-AAC and I think the Estonian boxes were SD only. France of course uses MPEG-2 for most (all?) SD channels and did delay the legal requirement for MPEG-4 in TV sets by a year. France will move to DVB-T2 in 2015.

In Denmark one PSB mux operated with MPEG-2 from April 2006 to January 2012, but the second PSB mux and the three pay muxes required MPEG-4 HP L4.0 (including HE-AAC) from the start in November 2009 - though most channels are SD channels - the main DR1 channel is now DTT broadcasting in HD only (no simulcast)
One of the three Danish pay muxes has now converted to DVB-T2 and a fourth pay mux will go live i 2013 and use DVB-T2.

When Russia, India, several Asian countries and Africa south of the Sahara - close to 2 billion viewers - in a few years (2015 ?) have DSO'ed with DVB-T2 only. DVB-T only equipment will no longer be available.

Lars

[the cush]

Originally Posted by joshua_welby

Where did you buy the TV?

Locally, all TVs purchased in Ireland.

Originally Posted by joshua_welby

Panasonic do UK only TV sets that is why there is B at the end of the Model Number, as the UK has to have specific specs
Panasonic TVs that are for sell outside of the UK do not have the B at the end of the Model Number

Panasonics are the odd ones out, Ireland and UK specific ranges. Have never owned one. Haven't had problems with Sony/Samsung/Philips etc.

Panasonic TVs up to the 2011 range I believe (pre-Saorview approval) have had problems here with Saorview reception eventhough they have an MPEG-4 decoder, the problem is the TVs don't recognise the Saorview MPEG-4 SD/HD Service Type 0x16/0x19, only the MPEG-2 0x1 service type. Saorview changed the service type during the rollout phase which resulted in the pre-approved Panasonics not being able to see new and existing channels during a retune/scan.

Prior to Saorview approved Panasonic TVs discussion over on the Irish terrestrial boards advised against purchasing Panasonic TV for Saorview reception.

[Colin_London]

Originally Posted by the cush

1 or 2 DVB-T UHF multiplexes will provide 9 or 19 channels depending on location. MMDS provides over 70 DVB-T channels in Reykjavík / SW Iceland

http://www.vodafone.is/sjonvarp/svaedi

List of transmitters and frequencies - http://pfs.is/upload/files/Sjónvarps...08.06.2012.xls, http://pfs.is/upload/files/ISLAND%20TV(1).bmp

Now staying in a hotel that has a DVB TV and can confirm that the Vodafone service is already operating on UHF in eastern Iceland.

However the ONLY TV channels that are FTA are RUV and INN, plus the radio services. All the other TV channels are scrambled with encryption turned on and off on various channels through the day as teasers.

We are rather fortunate with Freeview!

[Winston_1]

Originally Posted by MC57

*free seems to entail buying a set top box / ariel / new TV (delete as applicable).

Why do they need to buy washing powder?

[Winston_1]

Originally Posted by the cush

Locally, all TVs purchased in Ireland.



Panasonics are the odd ones out, Ireland and UK specific ranges. Have never owned one. Haven't had problems with Sony/Samsung/Philips etc.

Panasonic TVs up to the 2011 range I believe (pre-Saorview approval) have had problems here with Saorview reception eventhough they have an MPEG-4 decoder, the problem is the TVs don't recognise the Saorview MPEG-4 SD/HD Service Type 0x16/0x19, only the MPEG-2 0x1 service type. Saorview changed the service type during the rollout phase which resulted in the pre-approved Panasonics not being able to see new and existing channels during a retune/scan.

Prior to Saorview approved Panasonic TVs discussion over on the Irish terrestrial boards advised against purchasing Panasonic TV for Saorview reception.

Panasonic were totally out of line over this by refusing to provide a software update.

[the cush]

Originally Posted by reslfj

From late Q1 2010 both FreeviewHD (DVB-T2) STB's and IDTVs were on the market i the UK. It was more than anything a marketing decision not to include DVB-T2 in ROI.

As you already know Lars when the Irish Government officially announced DVB-T/MPEG-4 as the chosen DTT standard in July 2008 the DVB-T2 standard was still over a year away from approval, also by that time the Irish DTT project was up to 10 years behind schedule. With a possible further delay of 18 months to 2 years and an EU recommended ASO by 2012 DVB-T2 just came a tad late for Irish DTT unfortunately.

Originally Posted by reslfj

France of course uses MPEG-2 for most (all?) SD channels and did delay the legal requirement for MPEG-4 in TV sets by a year.

France uses DVB-T/MPEG-4 for the pay-DTT SD channels which launched in late 2005.
Estonia was the first country to launch a national DTT service using the DVB-T/MPEG-4 standard in late 2006.

[chrisy]

Originally Posted by Winston_1

Why do they need to buy washing powder?

It's the only thing that gets the pigeon crap off the aerial.

[the cush]

Originally Posted by Mark C

I'm sure RTE were 625 from the outset, and downconverted (optically) for 405 ?

This from wikipedia and Irish TV website

Ireland's use of the 405-line system began only in 1961, with the launch of Telefís Éireann, but extended solely to two transmitters and five relays of them, serving the east and north of the country where many people had sets for receiving broadcasts from Wales or Northern Ireland. Telefís Éireann (later to become RTÉ One) was also simulcast on 625-line from the summer of 1962 onwards, two years before the BBC had any 625 channels.

The last 405-line relays, in County Donegal were turned off in 1982, with the main transmitters having been disabled in 1978 to free up frequency for RTE2; with the relays being fed with standards converters from the local 625-line transmitter.
For the last five years of RTÉ 405-line programming relays a simple orthicon converter, essentially a 405-line camera pointed at a 625-line monitor, was used as the more expensive system converters that RTÉ previously used had broken down.

Ireland's first TV broadcasts were made using the 405 line standard - but the European 625 line standard was the preferred choice for Telefis Eireann due to the greater picture and sound quality.

However Telefis Eireann's decision was made for it at least in the North and East of Ireland as many people already owned 405 line sets to watch the BBC and ITV programmes from Belfast.

And so it came to pass that an "Irish Solution to an Irish Problem" was adopted. Telefis Eireann would broadcast in 625 lines VHF across the country, however in the North and East of Ireland where BBC and ITV were available Telefis Eireann would also be available on 405 lines for those viewers who already had a 405 line set.

...

In all, two main transmitters and five relay stations were built to carry the Telefis Eireann 405 line service, all purely in the northern and eastern parts of the country where the British 405 signals were available. From 1962/63, Telefis Eireann was also broadcast in 625 lines across the country.

Five 405 line relay stations were built, three in Co. Donegal, one in Monaghan and one in Dublin City.

http://www.irish-tv.com/405.asp

[crusher19860138]

[quote=AJRevitt;60595484]As expected, because, Joshua Welby talks out of his arse and really should be banned by now rather than being able to continue cluttering up this forum with absolute shit.[/QU

You should be banned using this strong language

[mpk81]

Originally Posted by crusher19860138

You should be banned using this strong language

If you are offended by it, why did you repeat it