Raheem Sterling vs Steven Gerrard

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  • alan29alan29 Posts: 34,612
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    Lawro2 wrote: »
    Sterling's future is probably already set, a club has 'tapped' him up offered him a bumper deal and all that awaits is Liverpool agreeing on a selling price.

    Liverpool face an almost impossible task of keeping him over the summer.

    Sterling wants money and trophies, he probably looked across the dressing room, saw Gerrard with his emptiness of league titles and thought that ain't gonna be me in 14 years time.

    Not so.
    Liverpool only have to say one word "NO." They can't be forced to do anything - as that cretin of an agent is discovering.
  • The_don1The_don1 Posts: 17,347
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    alan29 wrote: »
    Not so.
    Liverpool only have to say one word "NO." They can't be forced to do anything - as that cretin of an agent is discovering.

    And as Liverpool will discover that cretin of a agent will get a nice fee when the transfer goes though
  • Lawro2Lawro2 Posts: 1,219
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    alan29 wrote: »
    Not so.
    Liverpool only have to say one word "NO." They can't be forced to do anything - as that cretin of an agent is discovering.

    'NO', hardly if ever works when a player wants to leave. Sterling will just ride out his contract and end up leaving on a free or buying out the final year of his contract, he'll probably get an even fatter wage packet from his new club as they will have saved themselves a massive transfer fee.
  • alan29alan29 Posts: 34,612
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    Lawro2 wrote: »
    'NO', hardly if ever works when a player wants to leave. Sterling will just ride out his contract and end up leaving on a free or buying out the final year of his contract, he'll probably get an even fatter wage packet from his new club as they will have saved themselves a massive transfer fee.

    No, you sit him on the bench for two years and see what a player who cost LFC nothing is worth then to his agent.
  • Jim De VilleJim De Ville Posts: 16,097
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    alan29 wrote: »
    No, you sit him on the bench for two years and see what a player who cost LFC nothing is worth then to his agent.

    That would be counter-productive. His value will sharply decrease as his contract runs down, especially if you 'sit him on the bench'.

    Liverpool's best bet would either be to sell him now, and get an inflated fee, or welcome him back into the fold for another year, before selling him next summer.

    The former would be preferable, in my opinion.
  • The_don1The_don1 Posts: 17,347
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    alan29 wrote: »
    No, you sit him on the bench for two years and see what a player who cost LFC nothing is worth then to his agent.

    Excellent way of running a business.

    Take a product that costs you money every single week. Instead of using the money from selling the product and buying something that will improve the company.

    What next? Make him train with the youth team? Make him play for "skins" in training and not give him a bib?

    First team players send him to Coventry?
  • Eddie hunterEddie hunter Posts: 4,231
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    alan29 wrote: »
    No, you sit him on the bench for two years and see what a player who cost LFC nothing is worth then to his agent.

    How many times in the past have clubs ever done this successfully?

    It makes no sense to turn your back on tens of millions just to prove a point.
  • alan29alan29 Posts: 34,612
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    Aye. you're all right, of course.
    But that agent needs some serious slapping around the ears with a wet cod. Major league manipulation of not the sharpest knife in the drawer to get his 25%.
  • Jim De VilleJim De Ville Posts: 16,097
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    The_don1 wrote: »
    First team players send him to Coventry?

    I'm not sure that they're set up to be paying anyone £100,000 per week.
  • batdude_uk1batdude_uk1 Posts: 78,722
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    How many times in the past have clubs ever done this successfully?

    It makes no sense to turn your back on tens of millions just to prove a point.

    The only one that I can think of is Bogarde at Chelsea, he was made to train with the youngsters I belive, but that was more of a case of the club wanting rid of the player, rather than vice-versa as is the case here with Sterling.
  • soulboy77soulboy77 Posts: 24,396
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    Until another club puts in a offer for Sterling then there is not much for Liverpool to do seeing that he has refused more money or to extend his contract.
  • celesticelesti Posts: 25,897
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    Send us all your first team players!
  • Lawro2Lawro2 Posts: 1,219
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    alan29 wrote: »
    No, you sit him on the bench for two years and see what a player who cost LFC nothing is worth then to his agent.

    Nope, can't see that happening especially as Sterling will be able to buy-out the final year of his Liverpool contract, which won't be all that much based on his current salary.

    And his new club will no doubt replenish his efforts with a signing on fee.
  • mikeydddmikeyddd Posts: 11,564
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    The_don1 wrote: »
    Excellent way of running a business.

    Take a product that costs you money every single week. Instead of using the money from selling the product and buying something that will improve the company.

    What next? Make him train with the youth team? Make him play for "skins" in training and not give him a bib?

    First team players send him to Coventry?
    I think FSG will know how to run a business and that will include not being forced to do something which is not in their or the clubs interest.
  • batdude_uk1batdude_uk1 Posts: 78,722
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    Lawro2 wrote: »
    Nope, can't see that happening especially as Sterling will be able to buy-out the final year of his Liverpool contract, which won't be all that much based on his current salary.

    And his new club will no doubt replenish his efforts with a signing on fee.

    Yeah the Webster ruling could come into play in the not too distant future, if things do get really nasty.
  • Eddie hunterEddie hunter Posts: 4,231
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    mikeyddd wrote: »
    I think FSG will know how to run a business and that will include not being forced to do something which is not in their or the clubs interest.

    Writing off £40m to make an example of a player certainly isn't in the clubs best interests.

    Getting rid of the cancer for as much cash as you can get and adding it to the transfer budget for the summer would be though.
  • The_don1The_don1 Posts: 17,347
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    mikeyddd wrote: »
    I think FSG will know how to run a business and that will include not being forced to do something which is not in their or the clubs interest.

    And him being on the bench is in their best interests how? He wishes to leave, his value will only go down.

    Forget all this childish nonsense about not selling to rivals and the pointless chest puffing out of "we don't sell our best players".

    Get the maximum amount of money you can get and use the money to buy a player who will help with the objectives of the business
  • mikeydddmikeyddd Posts: 11,564
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    Writing off £40m to make an example of a player certainly isn't in the clubs best interests.

    Getting rid of the cancer for as much cash as you can get and adding it to the transfer budget for the summer would be though.

    Like I said FSG will do what's best for them and the club, Sterling and his agent won't want him to miss out out on between £6 - 10 m in lost wages either so there will be a comrimise along the line.
  • The_don1The_don1 Posts: 17,347
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    I'm not sure that they're set up to be paying anyone £100,000 per week.

    It's not about the money remember.

    Maybe he feels he can win more with them then Liverpool?
  • kobashi100kobashi100 Posts: 5,774
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    Wow.. People have short memories..

    2 years ago people laughed at FSG and said there was no chance they could stop Suarez joining Arsenal. Said that Liverpool would be left with a player who would not give his all.

    Said that BR made a huge mistake making him train with the youth team.

    Look what happened the following season.

    Sterling will not risk missing out on the European championship in 2016 so his effort will be still there next season if he stays. Sterling may go this summer but he might not.

    FSG will not be bullied and don't have to sell. Could easily get a nice big fee next summer.
  • Jim_McIntoshJim_McIntosh Posts: 5,866
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    Good news for Jordan Ibe.
  • Eddie hunterEddie hunter Posts: 4,231
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    kobashi100 wrote: »
    Wow.. People have short memories..

    2 years ago people laughed at FSG and said there was no chance they could stop Suarez joining Arsenal. Said that Liverpool would be left with a player who would not give his all.

    Said that BR made a huge mistake making him train with the youth team.

    Look what happened the following season.

    Sterling will not risk missing out on the European championship in 2016 so his effort will be still there next season if he stays. Sterling may go this summer but he might not.

    FSG will not be bullied and don't have to sell. Could easily get a nice big fee next summer.

    Its a completely different situation.

    Suarez had already signed the deal, he wasn't running down a contract. Sterling is. The fee isn't going up.

    Sterling, with respect to his potential, isn't worth the indulgence that Suarez received. Suarez was bowed down to because he could score 30 goals and win Liverpool the title. And he almost did.

    Sterling has shown nothing on the same scale. If FSG as as shrewd as you say they will know this and Sterling will be sold.
  • The_don1The_don1 Posts: 17,347
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    kobashi100 wrote: »
    Wow.. People have short memories..

    2 years ago people laughed at FSG and said there was no chance they could stop Suarez joining Arsenal. Said that Liverpool would be left with a player who would not give his all.

    Said that BR made a huge mistake making him train with the youth team.

    Look what happened the following season.

    Sterling will not risk missing out on the European championship in 2016 so his effort will be still there next season if he stays. Sterling may go this summer but he might not.

    FSG will not be bullied and don't have to sell. Could easily get a nice big fee next summer.


    Very different situations and very different players.

    No body is "bullying" anyone. His agent has stated he will not be signing a new contract. Liverpool have a choice, Keep a player who's price will only go down no matter what he does on the pitch next season or sell a player who's price will never be higher.

    Nobody will pay a nice "big fee" next season and he would be silly for taking a move next season as he could wait a season and will be able to command a much higher wage and a signing on fee due to there being no transfer fee.
  • seelleeseellee Posts: 10,658
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    Sterling is a top young talent and if you look at goals scored he has more, than a few notable talents at the same age.

    Personally I think nobody comes out of it well. The club has been terrible. Why they didn't tie him down at the end of last season I've no idea.

    Also I don't like this arrogant attitude by Liverpool fans that he's basically ruining his career by leaving Liverpool. A similar argument made by QPR fans a few years ago. Cries of he won't play, he's better off staying here. Extremely arrogant! Who says that Sterling won't win trophies and get his money elsewhere? People bring up Scott Sinclair or Shaun wright Phillips but Sterling is far better than them at the same age.

    This other myth that I've got to take issue with is that it's best he stays for his development. Because of Liverpools poor business in the summer. The whole team became reliant on Sterling up front on his own to score goals, not his position. Is it right that a 20 year old has so much pressure put on him? Is that good for development? Is it good for his development playing at wingback?

    Rodgers said he was the best young player in Europe, he won the best young player in Europe, the club then rely on him solely to score all the goals yet they won't pay him accordingly. You can see how Sterling feels looking round a dressing room devoid of any top players and Johnson is on over 100k and he hasn't been anywhere near as relied on or as important. What can Liverpool offer Sterling or any other player? no CL, don't look like winning anything, top players leaving every year. We are 5 times European champions or we are Liveroool fc just won't wash anymore!

    Personally I'll be sad to see Sterling leave but if he's holding a league title in his hand, playing with the best players and on more money. I doubt he will be sorry!

    Liverpool fans need to take the blinkers off.
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