So as long as it is consensual a middle aged guy can diddle a 13 year old?:(
There seems a lot of hypocrisy around this kind of thing imo. Ok it's not like Glitter or Harris etc BUT it is still very creepy and the girl was underage. He was in his 40s!!
What is even more creepy is that people always try to use the fact that Mandy was sexually precoucious, as if that is a mitigating circumstance. 'Oh well, she was hot and coming on to me so.....you know. Yes I know she was 13 but....' why bother having an age of consent at all if some rich folk can get away with it like this. cause I can promise you that ordinary people wouldn't so easily. It is like that other creep Polanski, you get all the top Hollywood actors supporting him, and making excuses for him, because the girl was up for it, so that makes it ok! Sorry what???>:(
Polanski is an entirely different kettle of fish. He drugged, raped, and sodomized his 13 year old
For a while a few in Hollywood supported him due to his "tragic" past, WWII and the murder of Sharon Tate and his unborn child were frequently touted in the media.
Support for him isn't there and more than a few felt he should have returned and dealt with the charges decades ago
It still is a defence (see section 9 of the sex offences act). I'd be interested in what a jury would consider reasonable these days though.
Ah right, didn't know that.
I suppose something along the lines of a 15 year old that looks much older, met in a nightclub (so assumed 18+), where a one night stand follows, then a jury might consider it 'reasonable' that she/he could be assumed to be over the age of consent?
So fellas were allowed to have sex with lasses below 16 over here back then?
No, only in countries where with a lower age of consent. If Wyman took Smith and her mother somewhere where the age was 13/14, then maybe he wouldn't have been breaking the law at that time?
I suppose something along the lines of a 15 year old that looks much older, met in a nightclub (so assumed 18+), where a one night stand follows, then a jury might consider it 'reasonable' that she/he could be assumed to be over the age of consent?
That is certainly how I would see, and I would think a lot of people would too.
No, only in countries where with a lower age of consent. If Wyman took Smith and her mother somewhere where the age was 13/14, then maybe he wouldn't have been breaking the law at that time?
That was my assumption. So you could have gone to say Spain (where the age of consent used to be 13, I think they raised it or added caveats about age difference recently) and you wouldn't have been breaking the law, but if you did it now it would be illegal whatever the age of consent where you are.
I'm not 100% certain, but the wording of the law would seem to imply that a British citizen can be prosecuted for having sex with any girl who's under 16 regardless of the local age of consent. I suspect it wouldn't be used like that though, unless it was an obvious sex tourism case.
I suppose something along the lines of a 15 year old that looks much older, met in a nightclub (so assumed 18+), where a one night stand follows, then a jury might consider it 'reasonable' that she/he could be assumed to be over the age of consent?
Rightly or wrongly, the fact that it was consensual plays a big part in this. If a woman walks into a police station and says "a man had sex with me when i was 14, although i did consent" the chances of it being pursued are very slim
I think you'll find that by law, an underage child cannot consent to sex.
Shame her parents didn't protect her.
No, only in countries where with a lower age of consent. If Wyman took Smith and her mother somewhere where the age was 13/14, then maybe he wouldn't have been breaking the law at that time?
Yeah, that's what I said earlier on. I'm guessing her mother turned a blind eye to what would be illegal in this country and in return, she got free holidays.
I know many men are turned on by school girl uniforms. Even when worn by mature women this is problematic as it hints at darker desires.
We're getting to a point where 2 people dressed up for a bit of fun who are both WELL over the age of consent having a bit of a role play fun now need to both end up on the sex offenders register since one had a mortar and a cloak while the other had a white shirt/grey jumper and a short skirt with pig tails........might as well make it death to do it any other way than the missonary position with the lights off.
but as for Bill he's fine, sure he's been to plod and said you want to do anything and they're not interested and with all the media stuff around it would be an easy thing to prove without either of them giving evidence so why some plod can't get a promotion off this as it'll probably be easier than proving a 120 in a 30 zone escapes me as they did that footballer for rape and there was no complainant.
For prosecuting historical sexual offences they must be in relation to the law at that time, not now, you can't apply new or updated laws to offences which happened beforehand. Mentioning names Jimmy Paige slept with 14 yr old groupie be be bell ( can't spell name)
Different times. Anyone remember the topless pubescent girl on the Blind Faith album ? Or the Stones 'Stray Cat Blues' about underage groupies ? Mind you, this artwork about Mick + co from those days says a lot
Different times. Anyone remember the topless pubescent girl on the Blind Faith album ? Or the Stones 'Stray Cat Blues' about underage groupies ? Mind you, this artwork about Mick + co from those days says a lot
I can't understand why people didn't kick up a fuss back then over that album cover, if they didn't. I suppose there's a lot of very dodgy album covers out there from the past.
I can't understand why people didn't kick up a fuss back then over that album cover, if they didn't. I suppose there's a lot of very dodgy album covers out there from the past.
America refused to have it on display so they changed to cover to a picture of the band. I have that album as the music is great but I have turned the cover inside out to show the American cover as I do not like that image.
The girl in question was paid £40 to do the shot. She asked for a Horse but did not get one.
Actually this one is tamer than the Scorpions Virgin Killer album.
I'm guessing because Mandy Smith never pressed charges, in fact her 'career' was founded on it.
That seems to have been the case.
Old newspapers state they were 'dating' nothing more.
In Aug 1986 Mandy did an interview in which she stated when aged 13 she had been Bill Wyman's 'lover'. At the time the police interviewed Mandy Smith and I think Bill Wyman it was later stated she meant they had been in love rather than physical lovers.
As others have said, it *did* create a big scandal then and I think a lot of people were surprised that he wasn't prosecuted, times weren't that different, but I think it would be wrong if the police went after him now, being as it was known about then and not new info which has just come forward.
Different times. Anyone remember the topless pubescent girl on the Blind Faith album ? Or the Stones 'Stray Cat Blues' about underage groupies ? Mind you, this artwork about Mick + co from those days says a lot
America refused to have it on display so they changed to cover to a picture of the band. I have that album as the music is great but I have turned the cover inside out to show the American cover as I do not like that image.
The girl in question was paid £40 to do the shot. She asked for a Horse but did not get one.
Actually this one is tamer than the Scorpions Virgin Killer album.
The Scorpions always hated that album cover and asked for it to be changed as it wasn't representative of the song the album derived its name from. They used the phrase "Virgin Killer" to mean someone who kills for the first time, not to mean a killer of virgins which is what the album cover implies.
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Polanski is an entirely different kettle of fish. He drugged, raped, and sodomized his 13 year old
For a while a few in Hollywood supported him due to his "tragic" past, WWII and the murder of Sharon Tate and his unborn child were frequently touted in the media.
Support for him isn't there and more than a few felt he should have returned and dealt with the charges decades ago
Ah right, didn't know that.
I suppose something along the lines of a 15 year old that looks much older, met in a nightclub (so assumed 18+), where a one night stand follows, then a jury might consider it 'reasonable' that she/he could be assumed to be over the age of consent?
I also didn't know this......
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/9
That reads to me like a 17 year old (or younger) can legally have sex with someone of any age
I'm guessing there must be another section to cover that?
So fellas were allowed to have sex with lasses below 16 over here back then?
That is certainly how I would see, and I would think a lot of people would too.
I'm fairly sure there is, yes. Essentially the only difference is in the sentencing I think.
That was my assumption. So you could have gone to say Spain (where the age of consent used to be 13, I think they raised it or added caveats about age difference recently) and you wouldn't have been breaking the law, but if you did it now it would be illegal whatever the age of consent where you are.
I'm not 100% certain, but the wording of the law would seem to imply that a British citizen can be prosecuted for having sex with any girl who's under 16 regardless of the local age of consent. I suspect it wouldn't be used like that though, unless it was an obvious sex tourism case.
Yep...
I think you'll find that by law, an underage child cannot consent to sex.
Shame her parents didn't protect her.
If that was the case then all underage sex would be rape, which legally it isn't.
If you want an accurate portrayal of how they view cases, watch The Wire
They investigate something if a complaint is made. If it isn't, they don't
With all due respect, speaking from over 26 years Police experience I can catagorically say that is not true.
No she didn't! Mandy married Bill and the mother had a relationship with Bills son I think.
Me too. And old enough to remember this video, where at 3:52 it says 'Bill call Mandy' on the wall. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pkVLqSaahk
Yeah, that's what I said earlier on. I'm guessing her mother turned a blind eye to what would be illegal in this country and in return, she got free holidays.
We're getting to a point where 2 people dressed up for a bit of fun who are both WELL over the age of consent having a bit of a role play fun now need to both end up on the sex offenders register since one had a mortar and a cloak while the other had a white shirt/grey jumper and a short skirt with pig tails........might as well make it death to do it any other way than the missonary position with the lights off.
but as for Bill he's fine, sure he's been to plod and said you want to do anything and they're not interested and with all the media stuff around it would be an easy thing to prove without either of them giving evidence so why some plod can't get a promotion off this as it'll probably be easier than proving a 120 in a 30 zone escapes me as they did that footballer for rape and there was no complainant.
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I can't understand why people didn't kick up a fuss back then over that album cover, if they didn't. I suppose there's a lot of very dodgy album covers out there from the past.
They did.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_Faith_(Blind_Faith_album)
America refused to have it on display so they changed to cover to a picture of the band. I have that album as the music is great but I have turned the cover inside out to show the American cover as I do not like that image.
The girl in question was paid £40 to do the shot. She asked for a Horse but did not get one.
Actually this one is tamer than the Scorpions Virgin Killer album.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Killer
That seems to have been the case.
Old newspapers state they were 'dating' nothing more.
In Aug 1986 Mandy did an interview in which she stated when aged 13 she had been Bill Wyman's 'lover'. At the time the police interviewed Mandy Smith and I think Bill Wyman it was later stated she meant they had been in love rather than physical lovers.
That album cover is revolting.:o
The Scorpions always hated that album cover and asked for it to be changed as it wasn't representative of the song the album derived its name from. They used the phrase "Virgin Killer" to mean someone who kills for the first time, not to mean a killer of virgins which is what the album cover implies.