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Is 3D quietly dying on its arse?

mike65mike65 Posts: 11,386
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Just been looking through the list of 3d productions that have been released since the revival of the format and I noticed the number for 2015 is about 37 films of all types including nature docs etc and that's about half of last years tally, so far less than 20 have been announced for 2016 so is the 3D thing slipping away?
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    Mark AMark A Posts: 7,692
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    You expected anything else? It was always an utter certainty it would go this way.

    Regards

    Mark

    And as an add on I see that Sky has announced it's doing away with the Sky 3D channel in June and moving all 3D films over to its On Demand service.
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    ironjadeironjade Posts: 10,010
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    The classic 50s 3D period only lasted about 3 years so it's had a good run this time around and it will undoubtedly be back. It seems to re-emerge every 20 years or so.
    Let's hope the current 3D releases are archived more successfully than in previous eras. Several 50s 3D movies no longer exist in their original 3D formats and many of the owners of those which have survived have no interest in re-releasing them. Those who do, want fantasy amounts of money for licencing and someone else to finance any necessary restoration.
    This accounts for the lack of a 3D Blu-ray of "It Came from Outer Space", "Hondo" and several others.
    Some (slightly) more recent movies are suppressed by tightfisted of indifferent owners: "Flesh for Frankenstein", "Spacehunter" etc.
    If it weren't for 3D Film Archive's tireless efforts in finding and licencing such material there's be even less of it available. Even they can only do so much.
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    grilligrilli Posts: 1,412
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    I dont think anyone really thought it was gonna catch on really did they?
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    Lawro2Lawro2 Posts: 1,219
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    Worked in the cinema with the likes of Avatar but as a home format it's a bit sh!t.
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    David WaineDavid Waine Posts: 3,413
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    Oh, I hope so. They have been trying it at intervals ever since the 1950s and it has never really worked. All right, there were some stand-out successes (notably Avatar), but, generally speaking, I think it adds little or nothing to the film, dulls the image on the screen and makes your eyes ache.
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    AlrightmateAlrightmate Posts: 73,120
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    No 3D isn't dying on its arse. Because it's always been around and never went away.
    As for quietening down in terms of the mass mainstream, it would appear so.

    I don't think the average person can be arsed with the faff. In the home they don't want to mess about putting on a pair of glasses, the picture being dark, and it not being comfortable for the eyes to some.

    It will rise up again in the future no doubt in a different form. Probably without glasses.
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    Virgil TracyVirgil Tracy Posts: 26,806
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    most of them are conversion jobs now aren't they ?

    I imagine it'll take Avatar 2 to restore some sort of confidence in it , but I wish they'd pack it in , even in IMAX it's still dodgy .
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    koantemplationkoantemplation Posts: 101,293
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    The thing I'm not too keen on with 3D is the way objects still seem to be flat but you can see distance between them.

    Like when you looked at Red and Blue 3D in comics.

    The feeling of distance is good but the fact the people or objects still seem flat makes you realise it is not a real 3d scene.
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    Virgil TracyVirgil Tracy Posts: 26,806
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    The thing I'm not too keen on with 3D is the way objects still seem to be flat but you can see distance between them.

    Like when you looked at Red and Blue 3D in comics.

    The feeling of distance is good but the fact the people or objects still seem flat makes you realise it is not a real 3d scene.

    yes , especially in FX scenes , all that work to make composites look good then it's ruined by 3D making them look seperate again .
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    treefr0gtreefr0g Posts: 23,655
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    most of them are conversion jobs now aren't they ?

    I imagine it'll take Avatar 2 to restore some sort of confidence in it , but I wish they'd pack it in , even in IMAX it's still dodgy .

    Or Star Wars.

    I think it's great myself, even on TV. I watched Finding Nemo last week and it was like watching it for the first time.
    I think that the producers are probably being a bit more choosy over which films they make in 3D as it doesn't suit all films however, imo, watching 'Gravity' in 3D is twice as good as watching it in 2D.

    I hear a lot of people saying 3D, bluray and surround sound is not impressive on their TV and I think that they simply haven't got it setup right.
    For instance, anybody who bought the same TV as I did, will probably have spent all of the time (like me) trying to keep their head perfectly straight as it would go out of focus if the head was slightly tilted. I solved this problem and I can now enjoy the movies to the fullest but I would imagine that a lot simply gave up on the format.
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    KarisKaris Posts: 6,380
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    treefr0g wrote: »
    Or Star Wars.
    I think that the producers are probably being a bit more choosy over which films they make in 3D as it doesn't suit all films however, imo, watching 'Gravity' in 3D is twice as good as watching it in 2D.

    I hear a lot of people saying 3D, bluray and surround sound is not impressive on their TV and I think that they simply haven't got it setup right.

    Ticket sales of 3d movies have plummeted, probably because they're:

    1. Crap
    b. Incredibly expensive.
    iii. There is no 4.

    I saw Gravity in IMAX 3d and like every other 3d movie, I came out thinking: well that was a total waste of time.

    Just leave the movies as they are, no messing about with stupid glasses that don't fit and just make great movies.
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    Ted CTed C Posts: 11,731
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    Actually, the 3D trend usually happens regularly every decade, has done since the 50s.

    Most of the time its just because they tend to upgrade the technology, making it a little easier to make and exhibit the movies.

    But it always comes back to the quality of the movie, acting, story, direction. You ain't going to be watching current 3D movies 20 years from now because of how many times they threw things at the screen.

    My contention with current 3D is actually a bit of a conundrum. We have now reached a stage where we have perfected (for now, anyway) HD, digital pin-sharp, IMAX quality pictures...why on earth would you go to all that trouble, then completely ruin the whole effect by making people put on dark glasses that not only obscure the clarity of the picture, but just make everything dark and fuzzy, for the sake of lobbing things at the screen?
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    koantemplationkoantemplation Posts: 101,293
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    My contention with current 3D is actually a bit of a conundrum. We have now reached a stage where we have perfected (for now, anyway) HD, digital pin-sharp, IMAX quality pictures...why on earth would you go to all that trouble, then completely ruin the whole effect by making people put on dark glasses that not only obscure the clarity of the picture, but just make everything dark and fuzzy, for the sake of lobbing things at the screen?

    Yes I think HD is the way to go for now rather than 3D.

    4K HD almost looks more real than 3D does most of the time. It is like looking out of a window rather than into a box.
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    AsarualimAsarualim Posts: 3,884
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    I've always been really selective in the which films I watch in 3D, choosing it over 2D only when I think 3D will add something to the experience, so it's only been Avatar and Gravity where this has worked for me. even though the option for 3D was available for Avengers 2, I chose to watch it in 2D as I suspected there'd be too much gimmicky use of it, with random objects flying out of the screen and that would annoy the hell out of me. What's particularly bad about 3D is when a film has obviously been made with 3D primarily in mind, so even when I watch it in 2D I get annoyed by all the bits that were only put in for 3D. 300 Rise of an Empire was particularly bad for this.
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    AlrightmateAlrightmate Posts: 73,120
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    I really like 3D when the effect is convincing. There are times when I think it genuinely enhances some scenes in films. Off the top of my head I think some of the 3D sequences in Dredd 3D were really beautiful, especially the scenes which depict the use of the Slo-Mo drug.

    However if I have any problems with 3D it's when it isn't used well, such as in action scenes where everything is moving fast. There are some things which don't work well with 3D and need to be approached very differently to conventional film. A different approach is often needed because conventional film making techniques don't have 3D in mind.

    The main problem though, is that I find it very difficult to truly immerse myself in a film that's made in 3D because I'm always distracted by the thought that I'm watching a 3D film. I just can't get that awareness out of my thought process, so can't truly engage with a good film like I would if it was made in 2D.
    So I can thoroughly enjoy the aesthetics of set-piece scenes, but I find it difficult to get into the story of a film because of my constant awareness that I'm watching a 3D film.

    I think 3D is probably going to make more of an impact with the games industry before it's truly accepted by cinema.
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    MidsblueMidsblue Posts: 233
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    The 3D in Avengers AOU looked clunky. I grimaced when the Star Wars VI trailer was shown in 3D prior to the film. That too looked odd with Solo's gun looking blurry rather than 3D. Even the Falcon scene didn't look great and detracted from the scene.

    I'll be watching Star Wars VI in 2D but best quality possible.

    Apart from the Quicksilver scene in the last X-Men film, the only time 3D that has looked good recently is in cartoons; Despicable Me 2 as an example.
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    AsarualimAsarualim Posts: 3,884
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    The main problem though, is that I find it very difficult to truly immerse myself in a film that's made in 3D because I'm always distracted by the thought that I'm watching a 3D film. I just can't get that awareness out of my thought process, so can't truly engage with a good film like I would if it was made in 2D.
    So I can thoroughly enjoy the aesthetics of set-piece scenes, but I find it difficult to get into the story of a film because of my constant awareness that I'm watching a 3D film.

    For me, that's actually an indicator of how well the 3D has been done, If it's done well, I quickly forget it's in 3D and just enjoy the movie for what it is, but if it's contantly in my mind that it's 3D then I don't think it's been done well. Within minutes of watching Gravity I was just totally immersed in it and forget the 3D aspect altogether and enjoyed the movie.
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    AsarualimAsarualim Posts: 3,884
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    Midsblue wrote: »
    The 3D in Avengers AOU looked clunky.

    I'm glad I opted for 2D now. I didn't think 3D would have really added anything to the movie really.
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    YuffieYuffie Posts: 9,864
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    I think 3D is probably going to make more of an impact with the games industry before it's truly accepted by cinema.

    I was thinking about upgrading my TV last year to a 3D TV mostly for gaming but there are very very few games been made in 3D now on current gen consoles. All I could find was Trine 2 (which is supposed to be stunning in 3D) and Pinball.

    So I think 3D is "dying on its arse" quicker in gaming than it is in film. Of course, VR could change that.
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    CLL DodgeCLL Dodge Posts: 115,865
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    I hope so.

    Then maybe Hollywood will go back to making the content of the film the selliing point rather than the format and stop skewing their production slates in favour of mindless action movies.
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    AlrightmateAlrightmate Posts: 73,120
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    Yuffie wrote: »
    I was thinking about upgrading my TV last year to a 3D TV mostly for gaming but there are very very few games been made in 3D now on current gen consoles. All I could find was Trine 2 (which is supposed to be stunning in 3D) and Pinball.

    So I think 3D is "dying on its arse" quicker in gaming than it is in film. Of course, VR could change that.

    I was thinking of 3D in games more in terms of a virtual reality context than on a flat screen.
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    Karis wrote: »
    Ticket sales of 3d movies have plummeted, probably because they're:

    1. Crap
    b. Incredibly expensive.
    iii. There is no 4.

    I saw Gravity in IMAX 3d and like every other 3d movie, I came out thinking: well that was a total waste of time.

    Just leave the movies as they are, no messing about with stupid glasses that don't fit and just make great movies.


    Disagree, it can add something to a film. Avatar without the 3D is not the same experience at all. Rubbish story but some of the scenes are stunning to look at. Same goes for Prometheus. Flawed film but the 3D really adds to visual beauty of that movie.

    Maybe you just don't get on with it?
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    koantemplationkoantemplation Posts: 101,293
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    I was thinking of 3D in games more in terms of a virtual reality context than on a flat screen.

    Playing BattleField will definitely be good with VR 3D.

    I was playing it with a 2D headset and I was still trying to look around me while playing.

    The ability to look behind you while still being able to shoot forward will be a great improvement in game play.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 411
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    .....but just make everything dark and fuzzy, for the sake of lobbing things at the screen?

    but 3D done properly doesn't do that. It's all about adding depth of field. Not all 3D movies are gimmicky if in the hands of the right director. Ridley Scott for example has made great use of 3D to enhance cinematography .
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    Johnny ClayJohnny Clay Posts: 5,328
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    Maybe a section of the US/UK audience are growing tired of it, but it's still a big money-spinner elsewhere from what I gather.

    Money will be the deciding factor in its longevity I imagine. It may become more exclusive - splashy Hollywood blockbusters seem to suit it best, so it'll probably remain an option for them for quite a while still.
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