I interpreted this scene as Lestrade's first chance (in this adaptation, anyway) of catching the criminals and solving the crime... then Sherlock needs him for what appears to be a trivial thing, and Lestrade misses out - again.
I thought this highlighted the fact that Lestrade is usually inept at his job, as far as we see, with his involvement in crimes with Sherlock Holmes anyway - both in terms of this adaptation and how ACD wrote the character of Inspector Lestrade.
Also, in so far as this particular scene goes, Sherlock lacks awareness of what is important to other people, and he can be locked in his own thoughts for hours on end without any awareness of what is going on elsewhere. Hence Sherlock's 'I didn't put you to any trouble, did I?' to Lestrade when Lestrade drops everything and comes dashing over to Baker Street - with the sounds of sirens and police helicopters overhead in the background.
Like I say, just my interpretation. This scene could have meant something else entirely.
Agree with the original depiction of Lestrade, in a time where you could rise high with no talents. Bit more doubtful about today, you can't become head of Scotland yard without at least a little bit of talent.
As for Sherlock's message, there must be something we don't know. Based on the fact that Sherlock used upper case in the text. I understand 'Sherlock lacks awareness of what is important to other people, and he can be locked in his own thoughts for hours on end without any awareness of what is going on elsewhere'.
But Sherlock uses computer and the net enough to understand that if someone writes 'PLEASE HELP' in upper cases, it gives an urgency meaning. Specially if it comes from a person who doesn't normaly asks for help.
About 50 hours to wait for me. Pre-show wave of excitment starting to kick in
"the person that you least expect"
Sherlock - well he's the title character, but like has been said before, we can work in flashbacks - it might be chronologically the last episode but there could be episodes of what Sherlock was up to in hiding, or between the first of this series and the wedding...or the cases mentioned in the speech.
John - Probably the most likely as the person we least expect...but I really don't want that to happen. Mrs Hudson - Well no one has mentioned "Hudders" so far, so maybe? It would be sad but not groundbreaking... Lestrade - I really hope not, but possibly
Molly - I really REALLY hope not, but she does go for psychopaths/sociopaths...
Mycroft - Possible
Mary - I thought almost certainly but apparently not...
Anderson - no one would really care
Donovan - again, no one would really care
Tom - again, no one would really care!
With regards to Mrs. Hudson, in an previous episode (I think Scandal in Belgravia) we saw a group of criminals break in and hold her captive in Sherlock's flat. What if something similar happened in Last Vow. CAM could know that she is like a mother figure to Sherlock and someone he cares about. We also know that he is a truly nasty villain so what if he goes further than the previous criminals and actually kills her? That death would be very unexpected and would have a huge impact on Sherlock. I do love the Sherlock/'Hudders' relationship so I would actually be very sad if this did happen.
Agree with the original depiction of Lestrade, in a time where you could rise high with no talents. Bit more doubtful about today, you can't become head of Scotland yard without at least a little bit of talent.
As for Sherlock's message, there must be something we don't know. Based on the fact that Sherlock used upper case in the text. I understand 'Sherlock lacks awareness of what is important to other people, and he can be locked in his own thoughts for hours on end without any awareness of what is going on elsewhere'.
But Sherlock uses computer and the net enough to understand that if someone writes 'PLEASE HELP' in upper cases, it gives an urgency meaning. Specially if it comes from a person who doesn't normaly asks for help.
About 50 hours to wait for me. Pre-show wave of excitment starting to kick in
Yes. I do see where you are coming from, and sandydune in another post. The way these stories are told in this adaptation are always open to interpretation. We aren't being spoon-fed, and I think that is one of the genius aspects about the show. And talking on here afterwards about all the intricacies, meanings etc. and how people interpret things differently is great, too.
BIB: It does give the message urgency, I agree. But for me, this request for help is urgent, for Sherlock! Being asked to be Best Man is one of the biggest challenges Sherlock has ever had to face; as well as the fact that he is going to have to socialise and speak in public, in front of an audience. He can also be overly dramatic - a 'drama queen' in John's words, hence the capitals in his texts to Lestrade?
ETA: I didn't mean to imply that Lestrade has no policing skills either.
Anyway, I'll leave it there. Hope you enjoy Sunday's finale.
With regards to Mrs. Hudson, in an previous episode (I think Scandal in Belgravia) we saw a group of criminals break in and hold her captive in Sherlock's flat. What if something similar happened in Last Vow. CAM could know that she is like a mother figure to Sherlock and someone he cares about. We also know that he is a truly nasty villain so what if he goes further than the previous criminals and actually kills her? That death would be very unexpected and would have a huge impact on Sherlock. I do love the Sherlock/'Hudders' relationship so I would actually be very sad if this did happen.
Me too. It's just not right to kill Aunt Sally - especially after she was so sportingly magnificent against Lionel Blair on Give Us A Clue.
BIB: It does give the message urgency, I agree. But for me, this request for help is urgent, for Sherlock! Being asked to be Best Man is one of the biggest challenges Sherlock has ever had to face; as well as the fact that he is going to have to socialise and speak in public, in front of an audience. He can also be overly dramatic - a 'drama queen' in John's words, hence the capitals in his texts to Lestrade?
I suppose that to Sherlock, it is doing something without training as others may have had, being put in the deep end and finding their way as best they can and someone to say, well done, you have been a great support, even if you feel you have just done the best you can. I do wonder what Lestrade did say to Sherlock.:D
Wondering from the writers POV will Watson moving out to live with Mary create any problems, having to keep writing Watson and Sherlock needing to get in touch with each other every time something crops up etc.
Seems the set up they had before Mary came along worked so well, Sherlock, Watson and Mrs Hudson all under the same roof , if anyone has to go maybe it would be better if Mary gets bumped off.
My only concern with the third solution was that I didn't think it made sense as a logical way of doing the fall.
Haha that's what Anderson was taking the piss out of when he said "It's just not how I would have done it" after Sherlock apparently told him how he faked the fall. Sherlock then said "Everyone's a critic" in an exasperated way. Both those lines were the writers mocking the fans who will never be happy with whatever they come up with for how he faked his death.
Hi guys, according to Amanda Abbington's twitter a "fan" on tumblr has given away the third episode. She's named the account in her tweets (CHIMPSINSOCKS) but I won't link to it because I don't want to go on tumblr and find it! She advised fans to stay away from tumblr if they don't want any spoilers
Hi guys, according to Amanda Abbington's twitter a "fan" on tumblr has given away the third episode. She's named the account in her tweets (CHIMPSINSOCKS) but I won't link to it because I don't want to go on tumblr and find it! She advised fans to stay away from tumblr if they don't want any spoilers
That's my cue to go into lockdown until it airs then, because no doubt there'll be people posting actual spoilers and making out they're "theories" so they can say "I told you so!" afterwards.
I suppose it's the safest bet to stop reading till then. It IS a shame
Rereading 'adventures of CAM' and 'his last bow', watching Sherlock ep3 and coming here afterward, that's my sunday. Told my ex, not to call me, unless the spider in her bathtub is 4 foot tall !!
Altough our partly gestalt entity was slowing down in frequency of original new theories and observation, it is a shame.
I will call it 'the calm before the storm'.
It will be hard not to come here. Not sure if i'll resist.
I get Sherlock a bit later than most of you i think, so i'll be late. But you can bet your life, i'll be here :):)
I sincerly wish all of you a most enjoyable and thrilling viewing on sunday
For it to be a shock, the character has to be one of the main ones, so that rules out characters such as Tom, Anderson and the policewoman.
I'd go for Molly, because:
Sherlock is the whole reason for the show. It relies on his personality. Without him there cannot be a show.
Lestrade, Mycroft and Mrs Hudson are integral to Sherlock stories.
Mary (and her child) would be too upsetting.
And it cannot be Watson. He is integral to the Sherlock stoies. It's unthinkable to kill Watson. It would be like the Batman writers killing off Robin - it could never happen.
Would people cheer if Molly dies though?
I can only see that as a possibility if she happens to save the life of either Sherlock or Watson at the same time.
why are some of you so convinced that someone is gonna die ?
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Good question. I've been going along with the notion, but where is the original quote from?
Would Moffat really reveal something like that about the finale of a series?
Wouldn't that be a massive spoiler?
Surely you'd want to shock people for maximum effect wouldn't you?
Now whoever dies it won't come as such a great surprise.
Moffat often reveals spoilers for Doctor Who which aren't really quite spoilers in respect to how people imagined them to be. Such as the Name of the Doctor. That kind of thing. A deceptive wording which could mean one thing which is seemingly obvious, but actually means something else entirely.
Would he really tell viewers that in the finale of one of his shows a main character literally dies?
As I say the only main character I can possibly imagine getting cheers if he died would be Mycroft.
To be frank I find it hard to imagine anybody literally cheering about any of these main characters actually dying. So I wonder if we've been thrown by some ambiguous wording here?
A character that dies and the audience is expected to cheer or there may be tears. Does somebody die briefly and is then resuscitated with CPR?
Wondering from the writers POV will Watson moving out to live with Mary create any problems, having to keep writing Watson and Sherlock needing to get in touch with each other every time something crops up etc.
methinks with them only writing 3 eps every couple of years they have more than enough time to come up with ways for them to meet up.
I don't think it's mycroft but I think he knows. He looks very troubled, wouldn't go to the wedding and told Sherlock 'don't get too close'. He seems to be warning him about something.
Haha that's what Anderson was taking the piss out of when he said "It's just not how I would have done it" after Sherlock apparently told him how he faked the fall. Sherlock then said "Everyone's a critic" in an exasperated way. Both those lines were the writers mocking the fans who will never be happy with whatever they come up with for how he faked his death.
It's not mocking the fans. It's all part of the joke and dynamic of the programme to have fan involvement. The fans are an important part, both within the fiction and in the "reality" - in as much as any of it is real. The original Holmes was brought to life by Watson's accounts. A key part of the premise for Sherlock is how that would work in the present day, with Watson's blog.
( Edit: in the current incarnation, the fictional Sherlock rose to prominence on the back of Watson's blogs, making his fall at the hands of the Moriarty/Brook character all the greater - fandom made him and could destroy him just as easily. It needed the whole fandom phenomina for the premise to work. If nobody had heard of Sherlock, then Moriarty could never have been able to turn everyone against him).
With modern day communication many thousands of people would follow what is happening if it were real, and some are doing the same as a bit of fun with the pretend version. This is in addition to the fans of the programme taking an interest of the story. I've not seen any, but from what I've read on here, there are Watson blogs running in parallel to the show. I think the way they are doing this is excellent - it means people can get involved at any level they want, from just watching the programme at one end of the spectrum, to becoming full blown Sherlockians (or whatever the word is for the Holmes equivalent of Trekkies) at the other end.
It's not mocking the fans. It's all part of the joke and dynamic of the programme to have fan involvement. The fans are an important part, both within the fiction and in the "reality" - in as much as any of it is real. The original Holmes was brought to life by Watson's accounts. A key part of the premise for Sherlock is how that would work in the present day, with Watson's blog.
( Edit: in the current incarnation, the fictional Sherlock rose to prominence on the back of Watson's blogs, making his fall at the hands of the Moriarty/Brook character all the greater - fandom made him and could destroy him just as easily. It needed the whole fandom phenomina for the premise to work. If nobody had heard of Sherlock, then Moriarty could never have been able to turn everyone against him).
With modern day communication many thousands of people would follow what is happening if it were real, and some are doing the same as a bit of fun with the pretend version. This is in addition to the fans of the programme taking an interest of the story. I've not seen any, but from what I've read on here, there are Watson blogs running in parallel to the show. I think the way they are doing this is excellent - it means people can get involved at any level they want, from just watching the programme at one end of the spectrum, to becoming full blown Sherlockians (or whatever the word is for the Holmes equivalent of Trekkies) at the other end.
I hadn't read Watson's blogs either prior to this series, but they're really worth a look, some great background info.
Hi guys, according to Amanda Abbington's twitter a "fan" on tumblr has given away the third episode. She's named the account in her tweets (CHIMPSINSOCKS) but I won't link to it because I don't want to go on tumblr and find it! She advised fans to stay away from tumblr if they don't want any spoilers
Oh dear, thanks for the warning.:(
I love all the speculation, but I truly don't want to actually KNOW beforehand.
Maybe best stay away as a couple of you have said, and come back 10pm Sunday.:)
Agree with the original depiction of Lestrade, in a time where you could rise high with no talents. Bit more doubtful about today, you can't become head of Scotland yard without at least a little bit of talent.
As for Sherlock's message, there must be something we don't know. Based on the fact that Sherlock used upper case in the text. I understand 'Sherlock lacks awareness of what is important to other people, and he can be locked in his own thoughts for hours on end without any awareness of what is going on elsewhere'.
But Sherlock uses computer and the net enough to understand that if someone writes 'PLEASE HELP' in upper cases, it gives an urgency meaning. Specially if it comes from a person who doesn't normaly asks for help.
About 50 hours to wait for me. Pre-show wave of excitment starting to kick in
Well it was the day before the wedding and he hadn't written the speech yet, that's considered urgent enough for capitals
Hi guys, according to Amanda Abbington's twitter a "fan" on tumblr has given away the third episode. She's named the account in her tweets (CHIMPSINSOCKS) but I won't link to it because I don't want to go on tumblr and find it! She advised fans to stay away from tumblr if they don't want any spoilers
Oh crap I think I probably read those what I thought were good theories on tumblr
Yeah I suggest you avoid tumblr until after it's aired, serves me right for being too excited for theories
i looked and the account with the spoilers has been deleted...maybe i should be happy about that cause i have little self control and would have read them so at least it will be a suprise for me tomorrow lol
methinks with them only writing 3 eps every couple of years they have more than enough time to come up with ways for them to meet up.
Of course, they can come up with whatever they want it's not real life after all.
Only point i was making Watson moving out will take something from the show.it will also make writing unnecessarily more complicated and if anyone has to go Mary would be my choice.
I also followed the link to Abbington's twitter, and she there calls the spoilerperson for "****".
Which I think is not so classy. But what do I know. I had to google tumblr to know what that was, and I am not really any smarter now (but maybe better informed)
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Agree with the original depiction of Lestrade, in a time where you could rise high with no talents. Bit more doubtful about today, you can't become head of Scotland yard without at least a little bit of talent.
As for Sherlock's message, there must be something we don't know. Based on the fact that Sherlock used upper case in the text. I understand 'Sherlock lacks awareness of what is important to other people, and he can be locked in his own thoughts for hours on end without any awareness of what is going on elsewhere'.
But Sherlock uses computer and the net enough to understand that if someone writes 'PLEASE HELP' in upper cases, it gives an urgency meaning. Specially if it comes from a person who doesn't normaly asks for help.
About 50 hours to wait for me. Pre-show wave of excitment starting to kick in
Yes. I do see where you are coming from, and sandydune in another post. The way these stories are told in this adaptation are always open to interpretation. We aren't being spoon-fed, and I think that is one of the genius aspects about the show. And talking on here afterwards about all the intricacies, meanings etc. and how people interpret things differently is great, too.
BIB: It does give the message urgency, I agree. But for me, this request for help is urgent, for Sherlock! Being asked to be Best Man is one of the biggest challenges Sherlock has ever had to face; as well as the fact that he is going to have to socialise and speak in public, in front of an audience. He can also be overly dramatic - a 'drama queen' in John's words, hence the capitals in his texts to Lestrade?
ETA: I didn't mean to imply that Lestrade has no policing skills either.
Anyway, I'll leave it there. Hope you enjoy Sunday's finale.
Me too. It's just not right to kill Aunt Sally - especially after she was so sportingly magnificent against Lionel Blair on Give Us A Clue.
Seems the set up they had before Mary came along worked so well, Sherlock, Watson and Mrs Hudson all under the same roof , if anyone has to go maybe it would be better if Mary gets bumped off.
Haha that's what Anderson was taking the piss out of when he said "It's just not how I would have done it" after Sherlock apparently told him how he faked the fall.
That's my cue to go into lockdown until it airs then, because no doubt there'll be people posting actual spoilers and making out they're "theories" so they can say "I told you so!" afterwards.
Rereading 'adventures of CAM' and 'his last bow', watching Sherlock ep3 and coming here afterward, that's my sunday. Told my ex, not to call me, unless the spider in her bathtub is 4 foot tall !!
Altough our partly gestalt entity was slowing down in frequency of original new theories and observation, it is a shame.
I will call it 'the calm before the storm'.
It will be hard not to come here. Not sure if i'll resist.
I get Sherlock a bit later than most of you i think, so i'll be late. But you can bet your life, i'll be here
I sincerly wish all of you a most enjoyable and thrilling viewing on sunday
Would people cheer if Molly dies though?
I can only see that as a possibility if she happens to save the life of either Sherlock or Watson at the same time.
Good question. I've been going along with the notion, but where is the original quote from?
Would Moffat really reveal something like that about the finale of a series?
Wouldn't that be a massive spoiler?
Surely you'd want to shock people for maximum effect wouldn't you?
Now whoever dies it won't come as such a great surprise.
Moffat often reveals spoilers for Doctor Who which aren't really quite spoilers in respect to how people imagined them to be. Such as the Name of the Doctor. That kind of thing. A deceptive wording which could mean one thing which is seemingly obvious, but actually means something else entirely.
Would he really tell viewers that in the finale of one of his shows a main character literally dies?
As I say the only main character I can possibly imagine getting cheers if he died would be Mycroft.
To be frank I find it hard to imagine anybody literally cheering about any of these main characters actually dying. So I wonder if we've been thrown by some ambiguous wording here?
A character that dies and the audience is expected to cheer or there may be tears. Does somebody die briefly and is then resuscitated with CPR?
Not long now. Less than 2 days to go.
It's not mocking the fans. It's all part of the joke and dynamic of the programme to have fan involvement. The fans are an important part, both within the fiction and in the "reality" - in as much as any of it is real. The original Holmes was brought to life by Watson's accounts. A key part of the premise for Sherlock is how that would work in the present day, with Watson's blog.
( Edit: in the current incarnation, the fictional Sherlock rose to prominence on the back of Watson's blogs, making his fall at the hands of the Moriarty/Brook character all the greater - fandom made him and could destroy him just as easily. It needed the whole fandom phenomina for the premise to work. If nobody had heard of Sherlock, then Moriarty could never have been able to turn everyone against him).
With modern day communication many thousands of people would follow what is happening if it were real, and some are doing the same as a bit of fun with the pretend version. This is in addition to the fans of the programme taking an interest of the story. I've not seen any, but from what I've read on here, there are Watson blogs running in parallel to the show. I think the way they are doing this is excellent - it means people can get involved at any level they want, from just watching the programme at one end of the spectrum, to becoming full blown Sherlockians (or whatever the word is for the Holmes equivalent of Trekkies) at the other end.
I hadn't read Watson's blogs either prior to this series, but they're really worth a look, some great background info.
Oh dear, thanks for the warning.:(
I love all the speculation, but I truly don't want to actually KNOW beforehand.
Maybe best stay away as a couple of you have said, and come back 10pm Sunday.:)
Well it was the day before the wedding and he hadn't written the speech yet, that's considered urgent enough for capitals
Oh crap I think I probably read those what I thought were good theories on tumblr
Yeah I suggest you avoid tumblr until after it's aired, serves me right for being too excited for theories
Of course, they can come up with whatever they want it's not real life after all.
Only point i was making Watson moving out will take something from the show.it will also make writing unnecessarily more complicated and if anyone has to go Mary would be my choice.
I also thought it was annoying that her bridesmaids were so much younger than her, she would have had bridesmaides her own age, friends.
I want her not to be with child, and no married to John. John and Sherlock shall live together (in a straight way).
Which I think is not so classy. But what do I know. I had to google tumblr to know what that was, and I am not really any smarter now (but maybe better informed)