I am not surprised. Here are the views on his blog (below a UKIP ' exclusive') http://www.iaindale.com/
So Nick Clegg has backed calls for a full judicial inquiry into British involvement in torture. Is there any bandwagon he won’t jump on? And yet again he proves himself totally out of touch with public opinion. Most people would happily lynch a terrorist if it meant getting information out of them which might prevent a future terror attack.*
No matter to Mr Dale that information provided under torture is understandably unreliable, and that acting on it might endanger operatives or even the public .
No matter that you have to know who to torture in the first place.
No matter the moral aspect of fighting extremists with extremist tools.
His views are getting sinister , and rather reminiscent of earlier times in the 20th century.
today mellors desperately dismissing torture claims , all whilst knowing the complicity of uk government and his support for regimes that commit these crimes in the mid east.
Say what you like about al-Qaeda and IS, at least they're honest. They actually boast about their acts of murder and torture.
Never knew that - Hampstead Ed went to Harvard . You couldn't make it up .Whereas St Pauls educated Harriet's other half was just on LBC - she's evidently likes a bit of union roughage - ;-)
I am not surprised. Here are the views on his blog (below a UKIP ' exclusive') http://www.iaindale.com/
No matter to Mr Dale that information provided under torture is understandably unreliable, and that acting on it might endanger operatives or even the public .
No matter that you have to know who to torture in the first place.
No matter the moral aspect of fighting extremists with extremist tools.
His views are getting sinister , and rather reminiscent of earlier times in the 20th century.
Still a few centuries ahead of barbarians beheading innocent aid workers though.
Still a few centuries ahead of barbarians beheading innocent aid workers though.
Quite agreed.
And let us show the world just how ahead we are, by having a full inquiry into these nasty smears we keep hearing, about alleged British intelligence involvement and/or complicity in torture, which will no doubt prove baseless, unfounded etc.
It is remarkable that despite the media's efforts to give Nigel Farage 24/7 endlessly complaisant coverage and 'national'* gravitas( LBC being in the lead of such efforts with their 'phone Farage' monthly broadcasts), the Witchfinder General is STILL somehow trailing the Conservative candidate for Thanet South by a full 5 points!
* 'national', with the minor exceptions of London, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland where no-one seems interested in UKIP
It is remarkable that despite the media's efforts to give Nigel Farage 24/7 endlessly complaisant coverage and 'national'* gravitas( LBC being in the lead of such efforts with their 'phone Farage' monthly broadcasts), the Witchfinder General is STILL somehow trailing the Conservative candidate for Thanet South by a full 5 points!
* 'national', with the minor exceptions of London, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland where no-one seems interested in UKIP
purpose of nige and ukip is to move the political debate further to the right & to scoop up the bnp/edl/bf votes . ukip are natural allies with todays neocon tories.
And let us show the world just how ahead we are, by having a full inquiry into these nasty smears we keep hearing, about alleged British intelligence involvement and/or complicity in torture, which will no doubt prove baseless, unfounded etc.
Right?
probably .......and even if proved found guilty of relatively lame "torture" no comparison whatseover with those adorable chaps in the throat slitting community .:) Write to your MP and push that lovely 'John' for a knighthood
true, our abuses are photographed, video'd solely for friends and family, for military chiefs and presidents / prime ministers.
very true 21st century technological progress allows us to vaporise , leaving no evidence of any life form having existed.
You've been reading those conspiracy theory websites again.
if only they had worn expensively tailored suits.
millions more christians have been killed by other christians than anything the muslims have. so why the complaints ? just accept events like 7/7 ..
How far back are you going? The Tudors? The Spanish Inquisition?
purpose of nige and ukip is to move the political debate further to the right & to scoop up the bnp/edl/bf votes . ukip are natural allies with todays neocon tories.
That is even more ridiculous than the rest of your post.
Phew, glad your concern is more that that Mr Dale handled it sensitively , than that a hundred plus schoolchidren were massacred by Islamic fundamentalists.
I listened to most of Call Clegg this morning.
He assured us that the 'vast majority of Polish immigrants return home'.
In the next breath he acknowledged that we don't count immigrants in and we don't count them out.
If that's the case, how does he now that the vast majority of Poles return to Poland?
The people leaving may quite possibly be returning to the uk the following week, after a family visit.
Those returning to work in the UK would have been sampled in the exact same manner, so that overall the statistics balance out.
There is some element of double counting/inflating arrivals because when declaring a length of stay of eg 1 year, one would not necessarily think of short trips back home, however again it should balance out with those staying longer than announced.
Generally speaking, there are around 160 million people transiting through the uk each year, only a small minority of which stays here (around 260k) so extensive checks are not practical. Departure checks in particular are normally perceived as a very negative experience for travellers.
Phew, glad your concern is more that that Mr Dale handled it sensitively , than that a hundred plus schoolchidren were massacred by Islamic fundamentalists.
it matters how any atrocity is presented in the media since it drives public opinion.
Those returning to work in the UK would have been sampled in the exact same manner, so that overall the statistics balance out.
There is some element of double counting/inflating arrivals because when declaring a length of stay of eg 1 year, one would not necessarily think of short trips back home, however again it should balance out with those staying longer than announced.
Generally speaking, there are around 160 million people transiting through the uk each year, only a small minority of which stays here (around 260k) so extensive checks are not practical. Departure checks in particular are normally perceived as a very negative experience for travellers.
The truth is that nobody knows how many people are entering and leaving the UK.
We have heard, this week, that record numbers are entering the country illegally.
You can throw numbers about until the cows cone home. Nobody knows!
You can throw numbers about until the cows cone home. Nobody knows!
Statistical estimates do come with a margin of error, in this case it is 35k, meaning if is 97% certain that the number of new immigrants this year was 260k +/- 35k .
Heard a little of Ferris this morning. Did anyone else hear that stupid woman who called in singing the praises of Clegg and saying how he stops Cameron's nasty policies? Would that be the Bedroom Tax you voted for AND voted to keep Mr Clegg? People are dense!
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I am not surprised. Here are the views on his blog (below a UKIP ' exclusive') http://www.iaindale.com/
No matter to Mr Dale that information provided under torture is understandably unreliable, and that acting on it might endanger operatives or even the public .
No matter that you have to know who to torture in the first place.
No matter the moral aspect of fighting extremists with extremist tools.
His views are getting sinister , and rather reminiscent of earlier times in the 20th century.
Say what you like about al-Qaeda and IS, at least they're honest. They actually boast about their acts of murder and torture.
Still a few centuries ahead of barbarians beheading innocent aid workers though.
The West does it in bigger numbers:
http://costsofwar.org/article/civilians-killed-and-wounded
We now know that some of them didn't have far to go.
I think you'll find millions more muslims have been killed by other muslims than anything the West ever have. So not 'bigger numbers' really.
Quite agreed.
And let us show the world just how ahead we are, by having a full inquiry into these nasty smears we keep hearing, about alleged British intelligence involvement and/or complicity in torture, which will no doubt prove baseless, unfounded etc.
Right?
* 'national', with the minor exceptions of London, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland where no-one seems interested in UKIP
true, our abuses are photographed, video'd solely for friends and family, for military chiefs and presidents / prime ministers.
very true 21st century technological progress allows us to vaporise , leaving no evidence of any life form having existed.
if only they had worn expensively tailored suits.
millions more christians have been killed by other christians than anything the muslims have. so why the complaints ? just accept events like 7/7 ..
purpose of nige and ukip is to move the political debate further to the right & to scoop up the bnp/edl/bf votes . ukip are natural allies with todays neocon tories.
probably .......and even if proved found guilty of relatively lame "torture" no comparison whatseover with those adorable chaps in the throat slitting community .:) Write to your MP and push that lovely 'John' for a knighthood
You've been reading those conspiracy theory websites again.
How far back are you going? The Tudors? The Spanish Inquisition?
That is even more ridiculous than the rest of your post.
But keep posting - such fun!
He assured us that the 'vast majority of Polish immigrants return home'.
In the next breath he acknowledged that we don't count immigrants in and we don't count them out.
If that's the case, how does he now that the vast majority of Poles return to Poland?
It is based on statistical sampling techniques, from interviews at airports and other border checkpoints.
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/guide-method/method-quality/specific/travel-and-transport-methodology/international-passenger-survey/index.html
So it's a guess.
The people leaving may quite possibly be returning to the uk the following week, after a family visit.
Those returning to work in the UK would have been sampled in the exact same manner, so that overall the statistics balance out.
There is some element of double counting/inflating arrivals because when declaring a length of stay of eg 1 year, one would not necessarily think of short trips back home, however again it should balance out with those staying longer than announced.
Generally speaking, there are around 160 million people transiting through the uk each year, only a small minority of which stays here (around 260k) so extensive checks are not practical. Departure checks in particular are normally perceived as a very negative experience for travellers.
it matters how any atrocity is presented in the media since it drives public opinion.
its not that bad, has some good insights and 'insider' humour.
The truth is that nobody knows how many people are entering and leaving the UK.
We have heard, this week, that record numbers are entering the country illegally.
You can throw numbers about until the cows cone home. Nobody knows!
Statistical estimates do come with a margin of error, in this case it is 35k, meaning if is 97% certain that the number of new immigrants this year was 260k +/- 35k .