does River remember she was Mels
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In pandorica opens when River goes to Amys gaff she is like "Whats all this DR Who homemade merchandise?" She was alone and wouldnt have to lie. But in lets kill Hitler she used to play with the stuff?
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LMAO.
Is this an oxymoron?:D
Good point, real word reason, probably poor writing. In universe reason, this was before Big Bang 2 and the reboot.
Melody Pond may remember, but River Song...thats whole other ball of wax!
The same could be said for River and her (lack of) reaction to Amy and Rory in TPO and TBB considering she spent her whole formative years with them!
She also didn't have to pretend not to recognise Rory from his photo.
She should - must - also have known what was actually going to happen since she knew events that happened later.
(There are dozens of similar "issues" in those episodes)
Much as I love Pandorica/Big Bang they are chock-full of logical flaws - I question them but they don't spoil the fun.
I think there could be a simple solution to it all, Melody has been brainwashed to kill The Doctor but after these events this brainwash fades away and River Song might not remember the parts for which she was brain washed for. Or it could be even simplier and that The Doctor has taught her about spoilers to the point she reacts as if events never happened.
Even easier - bad writing that can be "covered" with a "timey-wimey" style get out of jail free card.
As a kids/family show, it's okay to screw-up on details (a bit like the "bloopers" in films that you can only see thanks to DVD's having a pause/slomo mode). If you look at DW in terms of serious construction (now't wrong with that) then it rarely stands up to scrutiny. The parts that do are often the least popular with mainstream viewers.
The prime example in recent series has to be the Spitfires. Everything about that idea of creating a gravity bubble but the planes can fly in space - not just within the bubble - is ludicrious - but it's one of my all time favourite features of Doctor Who - I love them to bits and I'd rather fly a Spit in space than pilot the Tardis.
Basically, you've rarely seen "sci-fi" at the cinema and almost never on TV. What you see is scienec fantasy- magic explained with pseudo-science. Genuine science fiction is an acquired taste. I'd say that Torchwood is way more sci-fi than DW - and look at the reaction that gets from the thickos who keep trolling this forum.
All evidence is: this year's arc was created after last year's series had already been fully written.
Though in another interview he has said he had this story arc planned out from when he wrote SITL
Rule 2: Steven Moffat lies!
So either:
the dr and the spacesuit girl only met momentarily at the ep1 the cliff-hanger when amy shot her and they ran away. the only other occasion they would have met would have been when she was a new-born and they conversed in baby-language. adult mels not remembering her very brief sightings of the doctor when she was quite young does not seem like a contradiction to me. there are holes in this plot (specifically river playing dumb about amy's house) but not one here, I don't believe.
^this^
At the time of River's visit to her mum's in TPO, Amy was on the point of remembering who Rory was. River might well have not known who Rory was exactly during some of TPO just as Amy couldn't recall her parents, despite knowing they must have been there before Aunt Sharon looked after her. In TBB I think River-just-back-from-the-TARDIS now had the foreknowledge back and was genuinely surprised though that the Plastic Centurion version of her Dad had survived the cataclysm of Total Event Collapse.
I'd love to know how a homeless toddler lost on the streets of new york made it to Ledworth to grow up with Rory & Amy tho! ... guess the mysterious silence must have helped a lot!
While I think Moffat needs to stick someone on continuity & conundrums to avoid creating questions about practically every episode he writes, I also really don't care, Moffat's ride is just too good for me to mind that some of the details need a little sorting in my head!