[jassi]

Originally Posted by CRTHD

Hear hear!

Well said.

The union movement loves to portray the UK as a strike-riven state to the outside world.

It's main strategy remains to undermine the status quo and introduce communism.

Introduce driver-less trains and tubes asap!

("It takes 5 years to train a driver" yeah right - only because out-dated union protectionism, prevents progress).

No. its main strategy is to use industrial action to improve the pay and conditions of its members.

I have no idea how long a training period train drivers need, but, I for one, would not wish to hurtle along on a driverless train either above ground, or under it.

[OLD HIPPY GUY]

Originally Posted by GreatGodPan

I can't see what you're trying to imply here.

The majority of those who voted said yes. You can't speak for those who didn't, any more than with those who didn't vote in any other election.

And strike ballots don't usually say anything like "Do you want to strike" - nobody wants to strike and lose money.

The problem seems to be, that some people seem unable to understand that the way our democratic system works, (and the one used by the trades unions when holding a ballot), gives all involved the freedom to vote one way or the other,..OR to not vote at all,
But if one wishes to influence the outcome of said vote one way or the other, then you can't do that by NOT voting, nor can you complain about the outcome if you DON'T vote,

But to imply that it was somehow undemocratic because some people decided not to vote, is not only bollox, but very shaky ground for most Tories and their supporters,

[muddipaws]

Originally Posted by jassi

No. its main strategy is to use industrial action to improve the pay and conditions of its members.

I have no idea how long a training period train drivers need, but, I for one, would not wish to hurtle along on a driverless train either above ground, or under it.

It comes across clearly that these people do not want progress, they are happy to make other peoples life a misery purely for greed and ego trips. They can do this another time, are they not supposed to be representing progress then?

Are they not supposed to be encouraging new apprenticeships, more jobs or more success in our industrial and manufacturing industry? I think not given Mr Crow and his supporters and action they plan to take. He is destroying any chance of any investment and a golden opportunity to improve the chances of people HE REPRESENTS. He is fanning the flames of more manufacturing closures which we cannot afford and those poor people he supposidly represents, will pay a dear price indeed (as opposed to him I bet)

Hypocracy at its best

This is a world stage to invite any chance of investment and money which we need as a country, and him and the minority are happy to destroy it

SHAME ON YOU!

[Kiko H Fan]

What has Bob Crow and the London Underground got to do with ASLEF affiliated train drivers in the East Midlands going on strike to safeguard their pensions?

[jassi]

Originally Posted by Kiko H Fan

What has Bob Crow and the London Underground got to do with ASLEF affiliated train drivers in the East Midlands going on strike to safeguard their pensions?

Absolutely nothing at all

However, he does seem to be threatening further action on London Underground over the next few weeks.

Some people on here are so insenced by the thought of any industrial action that they blame him for everything

The fact that SW trains & services in the midlands are also involved in different industrial disputes seems to go right over their heads

[Kiko H Fan]

Originally Posted by jassi

Absolutely nothing at all

However, he does seem to be threatening further action on London Underground over the next few weeks.

Some people on here are so insenced by the thought of any industrial action that they blame him for everything

The fact that SW trains & services in the midlands are also involved in different industrial disputes seems to go right over their heads

Exactly.

Please everyone keep this thread on-topic, or the mods will close it down.

[redhatmatt]

Originally Posted by jassi

Absolutely nothing at all

However, he does seem to be threatening further action on London Underground over the next few weeks.

Some people on here are so insenced by the thought of any industrial action that they blame him for everything

The fact that SW trains & services in the midlands are also involved in different industrial disputes seems to go right over their heads

I thought there was a separate strike by agency cleaners for the London Underground, because they were getting paid minimum wage compared to their non agency counterparts who were on 30k a year.

[jassi]

Originally Posted by redhatmatt

I thought there was a separate strike by agency cleaners for the London Underground, because they were getting paid minimum wage compared to their non agency counterparts who were on 30k a year.

You may well be right - but Crow was being blamed

[redhatmatt]

Originally Posted by jassi

You may well be right - but Crow was being blamed

I think people are getting mixed up as Tube drivers during the cleaners strike were asked to not do anything that isn't in their job description (Ie clean trains) to stop them being used as strike breakers.