It is all beginning to smack of Mc Carthyism and threatens to undermine some of the much more insidious abuse that has prevailed against vulnerable people.
So, Bill Roach gets into trouble for`rape comments` and weeks later is arrested on suspicion of`hisorical`rape? Hmm...
His comments against rape victims were so full of bile & over the top I said at the time perhaps he was feeling the heat himself now one of his long time colleagues was on trial.
It is all beginning to smack of Mc Carthyism and threatens to undermine some of the much more insidious abuse that has prevailed against vulnerable people.
Complete nonsense, it is highly likely there was corruption which allowed celebrities to be protected or simply police acting in a completely unhelpful way to victims. The Savile case has made people realise they don't have to keep quiet about abusive behaviour anymore.
Complete nonsense, it is highly likely there was corruption which allowed celebrities to be protected or simply police acting in a completely unhelpful way to victims. The Savile case has made people realise they don't have to keep quiet about abusive behaviour anymore.
Yes but again it's a celebrity. Where are the politicians and other high profile people. It must have happened, the chances of their being that many celebritys who were the only ones who abused their position for me is very unlikely.
people higher up the food chain are being protected and the Celebs are the easiest fodder to throw to the lions. Say a accused celeb names one now. A lot of people would say "making it up to save himself".
Yeah, I mean, I'm genuinely all for people being made to account for their past actions, but too many of these claims seem to be very, very old and involve people about whom there hasn't been a whiff of scandal. How do you defend youself against the allegation that you sexually assaulted someone in 1967!?
None of these cases have gone to court yet so we will have to wait to see what evidence there is and what the defence is and, of course, what the juries make of it. Should be interesting to say the least...
I apologise...the first reports did not mention rape at all
With a 15-year-old girl it would be statutory rape. This does not necessarily mean "forced intercourse". It could be what any normal person would call consensual sex.
The media love to wave these phrases around as it makes things sound worse.
With a 15-year-old girl it would be statutory rape. This does not necessarily mean "forced intercourse". It could be what any normal person would call consensual sex.
The media love to wave these phrases around as it makes things sound worse.
You actually have no idea if it was statutory rape or forced rape at all. That hasn't been made public.
With a 15-year-old girl it would be statutory rape. This does not necessarily mean "forced intercourse". It could be what any normal person would call consensual sex.
The media love to wave these phrases around as it makes things sound worse.
The police wouldn't have described the allegation as rape if they meant consensual sex with a 15 year old. "Statutory rape" doesn't exist as a charge in England.
The police wouldn't have described the allegation as rape if they meant consensual sex with a 15 year old. "Statutory rape" doesn't exist as a charge in England.
I had no idea on that, to be honest. And now I wish that rep existed on DS.
That's the point though, we wouldn't necessarily know if those people had been arrested or questioned because it wouldn't be reported. That doesn't necessarily mean it isn't happening.
Then the number of arrests for the particular operation would go up but I don't believe that's the case. Unless non-celebs are being rounded up under a different titled operation.
The police wouldn't have described the allegation as rape if they meant consensual sex with a 15 year old. "Statutory rape" doesn't exist as a charge in England.
They've been watching to many USA programs :rolleyes:
But the allegations aren't of groping - they're of rape of a fifteen year old girl. When he himself would've been 35. One might almost think that this sheds some light on his ridiculous comments of forgiving paedophiles, and victims bringing it upon themselves.
Very much agreed. This is one arrest that makes me think they might actually be barking up the right tree for once. I say that as someone who is usually really distrusting of Operation Yewtree and anything to do with it.
His comments against rape victims were so full of bile & over the top I said at the time perhaps he was feeling the heat himself now one of his long time colleagues was on trial.
Complete nonsense, it is highly likely there was corruption which allowed celebrities to be protected or simply police acting in a completely unhelpful way to victims. The Savile case has made people realise they don't have to keep quiet about abusive behaviour anymore.
No it is not complete nonsense, the poster you quoted raises a valid concern. We can't comment on the specifics of individual cases but I can understand why alarm bells are clanging in many quarters over allegations about incidents that are said to have happened 40 years ago. What level of evidence is needed in order for these people to be arrested? Arrest isn't the same as conviction but the consequences of arrest, for the suspect and their families, are severe nonetheless. What controls are in place, what safeguards? Possibly it might not be Macarthyism at all, but I can understand why some are starting to draw those kind of parallels.
Can't help but question the chance of a fair trial. I noticed today that again the police don't seem to name the person being arrested but the media do.
Can't help but question the chance of a fair trial. I noticed today that again the police don't seem to name the person being arrested but the media do.
Who do you think told the press?
The press wouldn't report unless they had been given the name kosher wise.
The press can report who is arrested and who is charged unless the police ask them not to. Of course the press don't have to comply.
They've held off on a few names one they decided to out two weeks ago but there are some they haven't.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/01/coronation-street-bill-roache-rape
Complete nonsense, it is highly likely there was corruption which allowed celebrities to be protected or simply police acting in a completely unhelpful way to victims. The Savile case has made people realise they don't have to keep quiet about abusive behaviour anymore.
Yes but again it's a celebrity. Where are the politicians and other high profile people. It must have happened, the chances of their being that many celebritys who were the only ones who abused their position for me is very unlikely.
people higher up the food chain are being protected and the Celebs are the easiest fodder to throw to the lions. Say a accused celeb names one now. A lot of people would say "making it up to save himself".
None of these cases have gone to court yet so we will have to wait to see what evidence there is and what the defence is and, of course, what the juries make of it. Should be interesting to say the least...
With a 15-year-old girl it would be statutory rape. This does not necessarily mean "forced intercourse". It could be what any normal person would call consensual sex.
The media love to wave these phrases around as it makes things sound worse.
You actually have no idea if it was statutory rape or forced rape at all. That hasn't been made public.
Doh - that's the point I'm making. It can be called "rape" and might just be what any normal person would call consensual sex.
D'oh. And you're saying that he might be innocent, and I'm saying he might not be. That's what 'normal' people say.
The police wouldn't have described the allegation as rape if they meant consensual sex with a 15 year old. "Statutory rape" doesn't exist as a charge in England.
I had no idea on that, to be honest. And now I wish that rep existed on DS.
New show for TV, presented by Ant and Dec
I'm an innocent celebrity, get me out of jail
That's so unfunny that it's painful. A teen got raped by a famous 30-something? How funny is that!
Allegedly, whilst victims should not be dismissed the accused are innocent until proven guilty.
Then the number of arrests for the particular operation would go up but I don't believe that's the case. Unless non-celebs are being rounded up under a different titled operation.
They've been watching to many USA programs :rolleyes:
Very much agreed. This is one arrest that makes me think they might actually be barking up the right tree for once. I say that as someone who is usually really distrusting of Operation Yewtree and anything to do with it.
No it is not complete nonsense, the poster you quoted raises a valid concern. We can't comment on the specifics of individual cases but I can understand why alarm bells are clanging in many quarters over allegations about incidents that are said to have happened 40 years ago. What level of evidence is needed in order for these people to be arrested? Arrest isn't the same as conviction but the consequences of arrest, for the suspect and their families, are severe nonetheless. What controls are in place, what safeguards? Possibly it might not be Macarthyism at all, but I can understand why some are starting to draw those kind of parallels.
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/statuses/329676019076304896
seems he's been charged with 2 counts of raping a 15 year old (presumably the same person?).
Blimey that was quick they're not hanging about now are they!
Apparently its been in the pipeline for a couple of months. I just saw this too:-
https://twitter.com/lucymanning/statuses/329678850709667840
Can't help but question the chance of a fair trial. I noticed today that again the police don't seem to name the person being arrested but the media do.
Who do you think told the press?
The press wouldn't report unless they had been given the name kosher wise.
The press can report who is arrested and who is charged unless the police ask them not to. Of course the press don't have to comply.
They've held off on a few names one they decided to out two weeks ago but there are some they haven't.