Hollywood & Trump

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  • milliejomilliejo Posts: 2,230
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    AbbieJay wrote: »
    Cameron & his pig, Bill & his affairs, there are many MP scandals in this country. Vaz.
    If what he said is really that bad, just shows how bad the competition were.

    And in this country people like Keith Vaz are completely ruined by those scandals. David Cameron has gone and will never live down the pig business. And on Theresa May's first day in office, sacked a man for a phone sex scandal.
  • dave2702dave2702 Posts: 2,394
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    milliejo wrote: »
    As for Trumps voters, they always hate Hollywood and "The Left Coast". But many of them have watched nothing but Fox News, there are people that don't realise that Obama care is another name for the Affordable Care Act, which is why they supported repealing it, not realising that that means they will lose their healthcare. They believed Trump when he said he was going to bring back to coal industry when it is completely uninsurable and the people that have miners lung will lose their health insurance is Obamacare is repealed.

    There's a lot of "how dumb are Trump voters" in this statement, prior to the ACA a lot of Americans had Medical Plans that had low fees, something like $400 a month. Many of them weren't great schemes but they had them

    When the ACA came in it insisted that all qualifying plans met a standard above what existing plans offered and so the plans had to include more things and the fees rose as a consequence

    Another problem with the ACA was that it included people who had pre-existing conditions who would have been excluded from the cheaper plans so now Medical Insurance companies were having to pay the premiums of people they'd managed to avoid paying before consequently the the rates rose again

    Another problem with the ACA was that not enough young people did sign up, there are penalties for not doing so but they're much cheaper than the cost of the plans and you're penalized at tax time so all that really means is you get a lower tax rebate

    ACA requires a large pool of young healthy people to subsidize the old and unhealthy. Currently the pools consist of just old and unhealthy with few healthy ones to subsidize the rest

    Now in its second year a lot of Insurance Providers have dropped out of ACA provision because they couldn't make money out of it. The others that are still there have raised their fees, so you're no-longer looking at $400 a month but $1000

    For the Middle Class who largely have company funded schemes and a reasonably healthy workforce their schemes are still cheap and that get to laugh at the stupid people who went the ACA gone. For those on minimum wage , the retired the ACA has just been a horrible mistake
  • augusta92augusta92 Posts: 8,677
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    EnricoIV wrote: »
    You don't seem to really know what you're talking about.

    First, it wasn't "live on the radio." It was a private conversation, that was taped.

    Secondly, everyone oh so conveniently leaves out the "they just let you" that preceded that statement. LET YOU. That's consent.

    Personally, I don't care what two consenting adults do together. Not my business.

    i think you have to be careful here about using words like consenting adults!

    If my boss or someone in a position of power above me, sexually grabbed me like that, I would be embarrassed and angry, and totally outraged. I would never give my consent to that kind of behaviour. But when I was younger, If I was scared of offending my male boss, I may well just seethe inside and not actually say anything.

    And the TV show The Fall, did raise an interesting conversation, about the surviving victim of the rapist, that if someone is being abused, they may well appear to co operate with the abuser, because they are frightened of worse harm. So it isn't fair to blame the victim, for trying to appease their abuser. It doesn't mean they wanted or encouraged that kind of attention.
  • augusta92augusta92 Posts: 8,677
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    dave2702 wrote: »
    There's a lot of "how dumb are Trump voters" in this statement, prior to the ACA a lot of Americans had Medical Plans that had low fees, something like $400 a month. Many of them weren't great schemes but they had them

    When the ACA came in it insisted that all qualifying plans met a standard above what existing plans offered and so the plans had to include more things and the fees rose as a consequence

    Another problem with the ACA was that it included people who had pre-existing conditions who would have been excluded from the cheaper plans so now Medical Insurance companies were having to pay the premiums of people they'd managed to avoid paying before consequently the the rates rose again

    Another problem with the ACA was that not enough young people did sign up, there are penalties for not doing so but they're much cheaper than the cost of the plans and you're penalized at tax time so all that really means is you get a lower tax rebate

    ACA requires a large pool of young healthy people to subsidize the old and unhealthy. Currently the pools consist of just old and unhealthy with few healthy ones to subsidize the rest

    Now in its second year a lot of Insurance Providers have dropped out of ACA provision because they couldn't make money out of it. The others that are still there have raised their fees, so you're no-longer looking at $400 a month but $1000

    For the Middle Class who largely have company funded schemes and a reasonably healthy workforce their schemes are still cheap and that get to laugh at the stupid people who went the ACA gone. For those on minimum wage , the retired the ACA has just been a horrible mistake


    So caring for the old and unhealthy, including soldiers disabled whilst fighting for their country in Afghanistan and Iraq etc, is purely a financial matter? All that matters in this world is money and making yourself rich?

    This is such a selfish world view. And one that so many traditional stories and cultures warn against. Has anyone else ever heard of the story of King Midas?

    That lucky man, everything he touched turned to gold, just like the sweet advert. Everything he tried to eat, turned to gold, great for everyone around him, but not to Midas himself, as gold isn't edible! Every time he tried to sleep, his bed turned to gold, so he was lying on a hard uncomfortable surface. And worst of all, when he tried to hug his daughter, she too turned to gold. A wonderful statue, but a dead daughter. Midas ended up incredibly rich, but incredibly unhappy.

    And there are so many other stories, like the Christian/Hebrew/ one, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to ascend into the kingdom of heaven. These stories, whatever your religious beliefs are ancient wisdom, written thousands of years ago, that remind us of ancient truths.

    Unbridled capitalism isn't the only solution, there are other ways to do things.
  • dave2702dave2702 Posts: 2,394
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    augusta92 wrote: »
    So caring for the old and unhealthy, including soldiers disabled whilst fighting for their country in Afghanistan and Iraq etc, is purely a financial matter? All that matters in this world is money and making yourself rich?

    Serving soldiers will be looked after by medical personnel working for the Armed Services. Theoretically Veterans are offered free medical through Veteran Hospitals which are blighted by funding and management issues

    The Republican's are claiming that their replacement of the ACA will still deal with pre-existing conditions but at the same time be affordable. Something that Obamacare failed to manage.

    The only way to do it is to either offer subsidies to the Insurance Companies for handling cost-heavy patients or force everyone to contribute to a Health Scheme with much heavier penalties for refusing to opt-in

    Maybe a plan run by Government for people who're unable to get affordable Health Insurance. But as we've seen with the Department of Veteran Affairs the Federal Government aren't good at dealing with such schemes. Plus it would needs to persuade Hospitals to accept this plan and would only keep hospitals in the plan if the Government pays bills promptly.
  • MandarkMandark Posts: 47,940
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    Verence wrote: »
    James Woods, Jon Voight and Clint Eastwood
    Voight's clearly a Trump supporter as he kicked off the inauguration eve speeches. Perhaps they hang out when Trump's in Hollywood.
  • WhedoniteWhedonite Posts: 29,187
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    milliejo wrote: »
    Agreed but he isn't in prison and that film deserved to made and deserved the acclaim it got. It was an award for the work, Adrian Brody won Best Actor too, for The Pianist which was deserved, or should that be discredited because he was in a film directed by Roman Polanski?

    Yes, I think so.

    By rewarding it, Roman's crimes were practically ignored and I care little about the actors who work with him, not being recognised for their good acting whilst working with him. They choose to work with a child rapist, who escaped punishment by fleeing the country. Poor them.
  • VerenceVerence Posts: 104,584
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    Mandark wrote: »
    Voight's clearly a Trump supporter as he kicked off the inauguration eve speeches. Perhaps they hang out when Trump's in Hollywood.

    One of the Baldwin brothers, Stephen is a Trump supporter and during the election got into a row with one of his brothers (Alec?) who was supporting Clinton
  • AdelaideGirlAdelaideGirl Posts: 3,498
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    Verence wrote: »
    One of the Baldwin brothers, Stephen is a Trump supporter and during the election got into a row with one of his brothers (Alec?) who was supporting Clinton

    Stephen is the only one of the Baldwin brothers who is pro Trump.
  • dave2702dave2702 Posts: 2,394
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    Mandark wrote: »
    Voight's clearly a Trump supporter as he kicked off the inauguration eve speeches. Perhaps they hang out when Trump's in Hollywood.

    I recall a blind item that there used to be a regular meeting of Hollywood Republicans and that Voight would often go, but the big shock was that his daughter often attended
  • vaslav37vaslav37 Posts: 69,396
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    Michael Moore is now speaking at the Washington Rally.
  • cavallicavalli Posts: 18,738
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    Ashley Judd now, comparing Trump to Hitler. It's all a bit hysterical and embarrassing to be honest.
  • MandarkMandark Posts: 47,940
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    vaslav37 wrote: »
    Michael Moore is now speaking at the Washington Rally.
    The one good point he's making, which he always makes, is that more good people need to stand for office otherwise rascals like Trump will and take power.
  • vaslav37vaslav37 Posts: 69,396
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    Hollywood Stars are still under fire from many as they are not like every day Americans - they have money, privilege & status.
  • farscapefarscape Posts: 2,902
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    vaslav37 wrote: »
    Hollywood Stars are still under fire from many as they are not like every day Americans - they have money, privilege & status.

    Some not as much as you'd think and a lot of them come from working class backgrounds.

    It seems very hypocritical that Trump, someone born into extreme wealth and immense status and privilege is seen is seen as a "real" person yet entertainers are considered the "elite". If it's simply a case that people object to entertainers butting their noses into politics then how do we rationalize that as reality tv star Trump had a long history of not only commenting on but also butting into political issues?

    To some degree we're all hypocritical, we don't mind stars getting involved in politics if it's the side we agree with but the amount of ignorance of Trump fans takes this to a new level.
  • CappySpectrumCappySpectrum Posts: 2,907
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    farscape wrote: »
    Some not as much as you'd think and a lot of them come from working class backgrounds.

    It seems very hypocritical that Trump, someone born into extreme wealth and immense status and privilege is seen is seen as a "real" person yet entertainers are considered the "elite". If it's simply a case that people object to entertainers butting their noses into politics then how do we rationalize that as reality tv star Trump had a long history of not only commenting on but also butting into political issues?

    To some degree we're all hypocritical, we don't mind stars getting involved in politics if it's the side we agree with but the amount of ignorance of Trump fans takes this to a new level.

    It was once career suicide since you're going to royally cheese off 50% of your fans.
  • vaslav37vaslav37 Posts: 69,396
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    Jane Fonda has come out in support of Hollywood saying celebrities should be able to voice their opinions, however Madonna's comments about blowing up the White House have angered many and many say she should have been arrested by the Police.
  • TaintedmeatTaintedmeat Posts: 1,228
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    Madonna should be arrested as she has made a threat of terrorism
  • vaslav37vaslav37 Posts: 69,396
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    Madonna should be arrested as she has made a threat of terrorism

    I agree but its unlikely that she will be.
  • Gloria FandangoGloria Fandango Posts: 3,834
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    Madonna should be arrested as she has made a threat of terrorism

    She would absolutely love that!
  • LizzyrozLizzyroz Posts: 844
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    Madonna should be arrested as she has made a threat of terrorism

    She didn't.
    She said she'd often thought about blowing up the White House.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/madonna-blow-up-white-house-womens-march-washington-donald-trump-president-protest-latest-a7539741.html

    Thinking and actually acting on a thought are two very different things.
  • milliejomilliejo Posts: 2,230
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    A problem was that the GOP were so opposed to Obamacare and labelled it a socialist health programme, so that their supporters would be against it too. They opposed Obama in any attempt to make it work and made it about birth control, which the religious right fundamentalists treat as evil. In the UK birth control is free on the NHS, in the US it is expensive, harder to get and those that have health insurance from their employers are supposed to have birth control as part of their plan, but Catholic Hospitals, schools, and religious organisations object to encouraging sinful behaviour and that was an ideological fight, which is disgraceful and would not happen, here. No employee has to have birth control approved by an employer. The loss of ACA is going to hit many of Trumps voters, especially in coal country, where people need ACA for their lung diseases. The same communities that Trump conned with promises of reopening the coal mines and going to find they are unable to afford to treat their sick. People are also worried about Medicare and Medicaid because getting rid of them is a wet dream for Ayn Rand's grandchildren like Paul Ryan and Mike Pence. Trump says they will replace it, but as he lies every time he speaks and Mike Pence will be doing the work, who knows.

    As for Roman Polanski and The Pianist....Adrian Broady deserved that Oscar and the film one of those rare films that is completely true to the book. The story of the Warsaw Ghettos deserves to be told. It is truly sad that Polanski's association has tainted it and the brilliant work that went into it.
  • mickmarsmickmars Posts: 7,438
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    cavalli wrote: »
    Ashley Judd now, comparing Trump to Hitler. It's all a bit hysterical and embarrassing to be honest.

    Do these celebs actually believe the hysteria they spout,or are they just jumping on a trendy bandwagon ?
    I'm not saying celebs shouldn't have an opinion,but isn't it about time that they woke up and realised that not all of their fans are Liberal and that they have a responsibility to their future employers to try and deliver the biggest audience possible for their acting/singing etc
  • Sherlock_HolmesSherlock_Holmes Posts: 6,882
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    vaslav37 wrote: »
    Hollywood Stars are still under fire from many as they are not like every day Americans - they have money, privilege & status.

    Yeah, unlike their current president........
  • mickmarsmickmars Posts: 7,438
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    Mandark wrote: »
    The one good point he's making, which he always makes, is that more good people need to stand for office otherwise rascals like Trump will and take power.

    Do you mean more "pretend" good people ?
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