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j24j24 Posts: 3,932
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Hello, I am looking into getting a new camera this year and not knowing an awful lot about cameras, but knowing what I want out of the camera it's difficult knowing which ones would be best.
So I wondered if anyone with knowledge of camera's could help me?
I want a camera that performs good in low light as my current is awful indoors. I also want a good zoom, my current is only 10x.
I take alot of indoor shots and I go to concerts and would like a camera that will take action shots in low light or a sharp(ish) picture when using zoom. And due to going to concerts quite a few venues will not allow Digital SLRs so I'd probably rule those out, although I'm open to advice!!
I'm not overly bothered about video functions.

I'd like to spend less than £300
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    c4rvc4rv Posts: 29,622
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    I would just warn you not to expect amazon zoom without the use of a tripod or other stabilisation. Also check optical zoom, not digital zoom
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    Bulletguy1Bulletguy1 Posts: 18,429
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    j24 wrote: »
    Hello, I am looking into getting a new camera this year and not knowing an awful lot about cameras....
    I'd like to spend less than £500
    £500? :eek: That figure alone will buy you a heck of a lot of camera in today's market! You don't need to spend anything like that amount unless going into the semi-pro league!

    Considering 'not knowing an awful lot about cameras', your best bet is to go for a compact digital around £150.....or even less. These give pretty good results and are simple to operate.
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    j24j24 Posts: 3,932
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    Bulletguy1 wrote: »
    £500? :eek: That figure alone will buy you a heck of a lot of camera in today's market! You don't need to spend anything like that amount unless going into the semi-pro league!

    Considering 'not knowing an awful lot about cameras', your best bet is to go for a compact digital around £150.....or even less. These give pretty good results and are simple to operate.
    sorry meant to put £300(half asleep today)..I do want one that performs well, as my last two, I've been disappointed with the results, especially in low light. So i dont mind spending a little more if it's worth it.
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    jmclaughjmclaugh Posts: 63,997
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    j24 wrote: »
    Hello, I am looking into getting a new camera this year and not knowing an awful lot about cameras, but knowing what I want out of the camera it's difficult knowing which ones would be best.
    So I wondered if anyone with knowledge of camera's could help me?
    I want a camera that performs good in low light as my current is awful indoors. I also want a good zoom, my current is only 10x.
    I take alot of indoor shots and I go to concerts and would like a camera that will take action shots in low light or a sharp(ish) picture when using zoom. And due to going to concerts quite a few venues will not allow Digital SLRs so I'd probably rule those out, although I'm open to advice!!
    I'm not overly bothered about video functions.

    I'd like to spend less than £300

    Cameras can take good pictures in low light but you need a long exposure, action shots require a short exposure otherwise the picture will be blurred. Sharp pictures with a zoom lens require optical zoom not digital zoom, very accurate focussing and if the subject is a long way off the use of flash is pointless.

    The camera most likely to give the best results is the one you propose to rule out, a digital SLR, paired with multiple more specialised lenses.
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    Bulletguy1Bulletguy1 Posts: 18,429
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    j24 wrote: »
    sorry meant to put £300(half asleep today)..I do want one that performs well, as my last two, I've been disappointed with the results, especially in low light. So i dont mind spending a little more if it's worth it.
    LOL well that's a bit better! But you still don't need to spend that much either. The compact market is ferociously competitive. Only downside to that is there is a vast range of choices available......but the upside is price. With so many on the market you will get a decent camera quite cheap.

    Another point to bear in mind in the compact market is whatever you buy today, tomorrow it will be history and replaced by a 'new' model.....often no more than the same spec camera re-badged!
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    SoundboxSoundbox Posts: 6,247
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    Canon S95 - a steal at £229 on Amazon. Has a very bright f/2 lens and inbuilt HDR (high dynamic range) that works well. It is like an SLR but in a compact camera - I love mine - and that is from someone who has an SLR too.

    The zoom is not great (28-105mm) but the quality and results are the best I have seen from a compact camera.

    It does HD movies too!
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    DirtyhippyDirtyhippy Posts: 2,059
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    Soundbox wrote: »
    Canon S95 - a steal at £229 on Amazon. Has a very bright f/2 lens and inbuilt HDR (high dynamic range) that works well. It is like an SLR but in a compact camera - I love mine - and that is from someone who has an SLR too.

    The zoom is not great (28-105mm) but the quality and results are the best I have seen from a compact camera.

    It does HD movies too!

    great price for that camera, its a steal.
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    DirtyhippyDirtyhippy Posts: 2,059
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    For low light you need a big sensor or fast glass (lenses that let a lot of light through), these are usually DSLR's and £300 won't get you much except perhaps an entry level discontinued DSLR, or a second hand basic kit.

    A big zoom range is not a mark of quality, it can be uselful but at they typically are poor at the "long" end and you are likely to get soft shots, but may have image stablisation which will help.

    Fujifilm do pretty good superzooms if you really want this feature but they tend to be bridge cameras - they look like a small DSLR but you can't change the lens.

    Olympus have the XZ-1 which has a bright lens to let in lots of light, it goes for about £310. Also look at the Panasonic LX5.
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    allie5allie5 Posts: 4,554
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    I belong to a travel forum and the most common question we get asked on the photography forum (of which I'm a mod) is "I want a camera that takes good pictures in low light". Meaning of course, they want to turn a dial onto a magic setting and get instant results. The reality is, such a camera does not exist. You could buy the most expensive camera on the market - give it to 99% of the population and the lowlight results would still be crap. And on a DSLR its more about the aperture on the lens than the body. The only way to get a decent shot in low light is to know a little about how a camera works and be able to set it up accordingly.

    Granted there are newer models coming out that handle low light better than others, but you will still be hard pushed to find something that has a one touch setting that will get you decent shots.

    I usually use a DSLR and for low light a Sigma 30mm f/1.4 which allows me to take handheld shots in very poor light. However, I also go to a lot of gigs and TV show tapings which often dont allow DSLRs so I did some extensive research on a non DSLR model that had acceptable hand held performance in bad light. The problem was, I needed something with a very large zoom and the longer the focal length, the larger the aperture required so its a tricky problem. In the end I went for a Fuji bridge camera - the HS10 (there are a few newer models now) and it does the trick - large 30x zoom and has a good lens that can be set to an aperture that I can get REASONABLE results from.

    These were taken from about halfway back in the O2 most at maximum zoom -

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/alliem/sets/72157625437093783/

    Obviously not as good results as you would get with a DSLR with a decent lens but the public arent allowed to take those into that venue!

    If focal length (zoom) isnt important to you, then you have more choice and manufacturers are waking up to the fact that flogging a cameras "low light performance" is a good tactic. And things are improving - but just dont expect miracles! Spend an hour or two reading up on how ISO / aperture and shutter speed work together and you will have a fighting chance at getting consistantly good results rather than the odd keeper :) .
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    j24j24 Posts: 3,932
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    allie5 wrote: »
    I belong to a travel forum and the most common question we get asked on the photography forum (of which I'm a mod) is "I want a camera that takes good pictures in low light". Meaning of course, they want to turn a dial onto a magic setting and get instant results. The reality is, such a camera does not exist. You could buy the most expensive camera on the market - give it to 99% of the population and the lowlight results would still be crap. And on a DSLR its more about the aperture on the lens than the body. The only way to get a decent shot in low light is to know a little about how a camera works and be able to set it up accordingly.

    Granted there are newer models coming out that handle low light better than others, but you will still be hard pushed to find something that has a one touch setting that will get you decent shots.

    I usually use a DSLR and for low light a Sigma 30mm f/1.4 which allows me to take handheld shots in very poor light. However, I also go to a lot of gigs and TV show tapings which often dont allow DSLRs so I did some extensive research on a non DSLR model that had acceptable hand held performance in bad light. The problem was, I needed something with a very large zoom and the longer the focal length, the larger the aperture required so its a tricky problem. In the end I went for a Fuji bridge camera - the HS10 (there are a few newer models now) and it does the trick - large 30x zoom and has a good lens that can be set to an aperture that I can get REASONABLE results from.

    These were taken from about halfway back in the O2 most at maximum zoom -

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/alliem/sets/72157625437093783/

    Obviously not as good results as you would get with a DSLR with a decent lens but the public arent allowed to take those into that venue!

    If focal length (zoom) isnt important to you, then you have more choice and manufacturers are waking up to the fact that flogging a cameras "low light performance" is a good tactic. And things are improving - but just dont expect miracles! Spend an hour or two reading up on how ISO / aperture and shutter speed work together and you will have a fighting chance at getting consistantly good results rather than the odd keeper :) .
    Thanks, yeah I'm not expecting a special button to do all the work. I knew I'd need to play around with setting so was looking at camera's with manual features.
    I would love a Digital SLR but it's pointless getting one knowing I probably won't be able to use it for what I want i.e. gigs!
    Those photo's of yours are really good, actually. I'm going to research the Fuji HS10 now.
    Thanks a lot :D
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    allie5allie5 Posts: 4,554
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    j24 wrote: »
    Thanks, yeah I'm not expecting a special button to do all the work. I knew I'd need to play around with setting so was looking at camera's with manual features.
    I would love a Digital SLR but it's pointless getting one knowing I probably won't be able to use it for what I want i.e. gigs!
    Those photo's of yours are really good, actually. I'm going to research the Fuji HS10 now.
    Thanks a lot :D

    The HS10 has full manual control as well as the useful A (aperture priority) and S (shutter priority) modes. For gigs aperture priority is your friend - Ive gotten away with ISO 1600 with some noise reduction software, although ISO 800 is more forgiving on this model. It's worth spending a bit on Photoshop Elements as you can often tidy up concert photos with a quick bit of editing.

    Good luck - and share your pics when you get your camera :) .
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    j24j24 Posts: 3,932
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    allie5 wrote: »
    The HS10 has full manual control as well as the useful A (aperture priority) and S (shutter priority) modes. For gigs aperture priority is your friend - Ive gotten away with ISO 1600 with some noise reduction software, although ISO 800 is more forgiving on this model. It's worth spending a bit on Photoshop Elements as you can often tidy up concert photos with a quick bit of editing.

    Good luck - and share your pics when you get your camera :) .

    I've been looking at review websites and they're so conflicting! So many differing reviews for the same cameras!!!
    Anyway. I've been talking to this girl who's concert photo's I'd seen and they seem really good.
    http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxyp1gq1Yn1r9364fo1_500.jpg
    http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxtbgm354G1r9364fo1_500.jpg
    http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxpbx7jcqO1r9364fo1_500.jpg
    These are taken with Nikon Coolpix P100.
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    brillopadbrillopad Posts: 3,226
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    j24 wrote: »
    Thanks, yeah I'm not expecting a special button to do all the work. I knew I'd need to play around with setting so was looking at camera's with manual features.
    I would love a Digital SLR but it's pointless getting one knowing I probably won't be able to use it for what I want i.e. gigs!
    Those photo's of yours are really good, actually. I'm going to research the Fuji HS10 now.
    Thanks a lot :D

    HS10 is the old model - I have a HS 20 EXR which can be bought for about £220.
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    FinglongaFinglonga Posts: 4,898
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    Soundbox wrote: »
    Canon S95 - a steal at £229 on Amazon. Has a very bright f/2 lens and inbuilt HDR (high dynamic range) that works well. It is like an SLR but in a compact camera - I love mine - and that is from someone who has an SLR too.

    The zoom is not great (28-105mm) but the quality and results are the best I have seen from a compact camera.

    It does HD movies too!

    1 Major flaw and that is the pop up flash just where most people hold the camera. Not sure why Canon have started doing that with the flashes, they are eve putting it on the new G1x.:confused: I know two people with the S95 and they love everything about it except for the flash.
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    Bulletguy1Bulletguy1 Posts: 18,429
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    Finglonga wrote: »
    1 Major flaw and that is the pop up flash just where most people hold the camera. Not sure why Canon have started doing that with the flashes.....
    Agree.

    I've been a long time Canon enthusiast and when looking around for a compact I was stunned not only at the location of the flash, but it also pops up every time the camera is switched on!! Even when it's not needed.

    As for the location.....i've no idea what on earth Canon were thinking when they stuck it there! :confused:

    Bought Panasonic instead.
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    j24j24 Posts: 3,932
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    Bulletguy1 wrote: »
    Agree.

    I've been a long time Canon enthusiast and when looking around for a compact I was stunned not only at the location of the flash, but it also pops up every time the camera is switched on!! Even when it's not needed.

    As for the location.....i've no idea what on earth Canon were thinking when they stuck it there! :confused:

    Bought Panasonic instead.

    Pretty sure I'm going to get the Nikon P100
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    gemma-the-huskygemma-the-husky Posts: 18,116
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    hand held, low light photography with no flash is very difficult though. you need a large lens, and fast film (ISO setting) - although maybe it's a bit different shooting a well-lit stage.

    so maybe you do need a sort of more specialist camera.
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    SoundboxSoundbox Posts: 6,247
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    Finglonga wrote: »
    1 Major flaw and that is the pop up flash just where most people hold the camera. Not sure why Canon have started doing that with the flashes, they are eve putting it on the new G1x.:confused: I know two people with the S95 and they love everything about it except for the flash.

    I think that it depends on the user settings. My S95 flash never pops up - except when I turn it on.
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    The WizardThe Wizard Posts: 11,071
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    I'm an amateur photographer and in my experience your best bet is to initially go with a manufacturer that specialises in photo equipment like Nikon, Cannon, Olympus or Fuji. Also you don't need a bulky SLR to get good results. Look for a camera with manual overrides and for low light conditions it may be worth looking for something with a hotshoe so you can override the built in flash which in my opinion just makes photos look terrible. A good quality clip on flash can totally transform indoor shots giving a more natural light. You will never get a really good photo in low light even with high ISO as the higher the ISO the more grainy the image. Look for a camera with a good fstop range to allow more natural light into the camera and also a manual focus and you can get some excellent pull focus shots. You don't always want everything in the photo in focus.

    I won't recommend any particular models as it's personal choice but as other people have said don't look at digital zoom as all this does is blow the image up which is something you can do on photoshop. You need a good optical zoom. Also don't get too hung up on megapixels. The more pixels doesn't automatically mean a better quality image. I've had cameras on phones which were 8mp and didn't perform as well as some which were only 3mp. You can have millions upon millions of pixels but if it's millions of pixels of a really bad quality image then who cares? Also if your only gonna be printing out A4 maximum then don't worry about having a 10mp camera or higher as you won't see the benefit on A4. Cameras which have such high resolutions are only of benefit for large images or if you intend to transfer them to large canvas prints. Above all remember your photo is only as good as the printer and the paper you print it out on. No point in spending loads of money on a fancy camera then have a low quality printer as you will never see the benefit.

    I think the finest quality domestic printers on the market now are Cannon and Brother which you can get under £100. Brother are currently doing an A3 printer for £99 which we've just invested in and it's excellent. Even does wifi. Never buy Epson. They don't last and after a while they go into service mode which renders the printer useless unless you send it off for a service which costs more than it does to buy a new printer.

    Finally one last piece of advice is that the camera is only as good as the person taking the shots. You can have a really expensive Digital SLR but if you don't know how to use it and take good composed shots then it's no better than someone who's got a point and click who knows what they're doing.
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    AbominationAbomination Posts: 6,483
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    I'm not an expert, or anything near one, but I find Bridge Cameras are a good alternative to DSLR's. The name says it all as its essentially a half way step between a digital camera and an SLR. I bought one myself which is 16MP, and has a 30x zoom. It's a Fujifilm, and from Argos I think I paid a little under £200 for it (with a carry case and an 8GB memory card thrown in as a Christmas Bundle). Sure, the picture quality isn't as awe-striking as an image could be from a DSLR, but it certainly gets the job done and delivers some lovely images. I've used mine in a variety of conditions (relatively high altitude, parties, woodland, rain etc.), including outdoors at night and have had quite good results in terms of picture quality - whilst I can't change the lens I can set the aperture to deliver solid results.

    Hope this helps in some way :D
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    j24j24 Posts: 3,932
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    I'm not an expert, or anything near one, but I find Bridge Cameras are a good alternative to DSLR's. The name says it all as its essentially a half way step between a digital camera and an SLR. I bought one myself which is 16MP, and has a 30x zoom. It's a Fujifilm, and from Argos I think I paid a little under £200 for it (with a carry case and an 8GB memory card thrown in as a Christmas Bundle). Sure, the picture quality isn't as awe-striking as an image could be from a DSLR, but it certainly gets the job done and delivers some lovely images. I've used mine in a variety of conditions (relatively high altitude, parties, woodland, rain etc.), including outdoors at night and have had quite good results in terms of picture quality - whilst I can't change the lens I can set the aperture to deliver solid results.

    Hope this helps in some way :D

    thanks, yeah I've decided on a bridge, the Nikon p100 as apparently it has a larger sensor than its upgrade p500 :)
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    brillopadbrillopad Posts: 3,226
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    j24 wrote: »
    thanks, yeah I've decided on a bridge, the Nikon p100 as apparently it has a larger sensor than its upgrade p500 :)

    No it doesn't 10.3 v 12 Mpix.

    (The actual sensor is the same)

    Can you imagine the one of the Worlds leading camera makers brings out new models that are worse than the previous ones,

    If you want lots of mega pixels get the camera I have - Fuji HS20 EXR - 16 of them in there.

    I own Canon, Fuji & Nikon - if in doubt buy the camera that feels nice - then also buy the one that works best.
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    paulbrockpaulbrock Posts: 16,632
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    as others have pointed out...you need to know how to take photos in the conditions you describe. Its no good getting a new camera if you won't be using the features. Difficult if your current camera has very few settings, but you should have an idea of what the limiting factors are on your current camera before picking out a new one. Almost every camera will let you set ISO for example.

    Crude example: a friend of mine always used to take photos at night on her compact camera and left the flash on, even for say shots from a stadium (this is pretty common, look at all the cameras flashing at any big event). Once I showed her that by turning the flash off, the camera would make a better attempt of capturing the available light she got better photos.
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    j24j24 Posts: 3,932
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    paulbrock wrote: »
    as others have pointed out...you need to know how to take photos in the conditions you describe. Its no good getting a new camera if you won't be using the features. Difficult if your current camera has very few settings, but you should have an idea of what the limiting factors are on your current camera before picking out a new one. Almost every camera will let you set ISO for example.

    Crude example: a friend of mine always used to take photos at night on her compact camera and left the flash on, even for say shots from a stadium (this is pretty common, look at all the cameras flashing at any big event). Once I showed her that by turning the flash off, the camera would make a better attempt of capturing the available light she got better photos.
    Yeah I know that thanks :)
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