You mean you see loads of white teenagers at rock gigs. The other (ie non-white) kids will be into other (non-rock) types of music. Increasingly these urban music buyers will push rock out of the charts (singles for now but increasingly the albums chart too).
Also, in London and Birmingham, white people make less than 50% of senior school students (and the study I read which found that out was conducted like a decade ago, so it's probably even lower now).
That said, I don't think it's THAT much to do with race. Like I'm at univeristy atm (in Birmingham), it seems pretty evenly split between white, black and asian, but I don't see that much difference between their musical tastes tbh.
And to be honest, I'm constantly hearing people playing music on full blast in their rooms, in their cars, and not to mention in clubs and at house parties, and I don't really hear much from the charts anyway. It's not "cool" for young people to listen to chart music.
Rock music will continue as much as any other genre, as long as there are people who feel the way this music makes you feel, you only have to watch documentarys about heavy metal to know that when young people feel a certain way they turn to rock, some turn to reggae, some to other forms none of which are mainstream
Rock music will continue as much as any other genre, as long as there are people who feel the way this music makes you feel, you only have to watch documentarys about heavy metal to know that when young people feel a certain way they turn to rock, some turn to reggae, some to other forms none of which are mainstream
Yeah. I personally think the charts are the last thing you should look at if you want to determine what young people are listening to, especially males.
When was the last time proper rock bands charted well with singles? Proper actual 'rock' though - be it a power ballad or a melodic rock single. Not Britpop or its offsprings. I'm talking about to the extent where it mixed in with the usual dance, pop, r&b stuff on a regular basis.
I'm going for early 90s (part crossover with grunge and late 80s hangover)
Most Rock music fans tend to buy albums not singles, so as for singles charts probably not. If you look at the mix in the album charts you'll find more rock music.
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i think thats alwas been the case, i mean, an album in the 70's was c £2, a single c50p , and rock appealled to a 'cooler' audience then the singles chart did.
You mean you see loads of white teenagers at rock gigs. The other (ie non-white) kids will be into other (non-rock) types of music. Increasingly these urban music buyers will push rock out of the charts (singles for now but increasingly the albums chart too).
What a ridiculous statement to make!
The colour of your skin is no barrier to your musical taste but that fact remains that this country is still overwhelmingly white. So to take an average audience at an average gig then statistically the majority are bound to be white.
Rock music has never been about hit singles, it has always been about albums, the single was the vehicle to publicise the release of a new album and, almost always, the accompanying tour. These days with the internet the necessity to release a single has been removed because band and record label newsletters, etc, are much better tools for publicity.
As for album sales, most major Rock labels have reported significantly lower drops in sales for physical albums than the average, and certainly much lower falls than many of the more chart-orientated genres who have seen their physical sales fall off a cliff and the Rock labels have also said that the decline in physical CD sales has been offset by increased vinyl sales. rock fans in general prefer the physical medium to downloading.
I go to @ 20 - 30 Rock gigs a year, sometimes more, and they are mostly in Bristol, Cardiff, Birmingham, & London, and in general 90% of those gigs are sold out and the remainder usually only have a handful of tickets left. So attendances at Rock gigs have held up very well considering the current economic climate and I would say the vast majority of those attending those gigs are under 30.
The colour of your skin is no barrier to your musical taste but that fact remains that this country is still overwhelmingly white. So to take an average audience at an average gig then statistically the majority are bound to be white.
...but its true... peoples from differing backgrounds/ethnicity do tend to be more in favour of certain styles of music. to suggest that theres an equal % of black/white/asian at all types of gig/festival/buying music is political correct nonsense.
ive seen very very few black or asian people at rock or punk gigs, and certainly not the national %.
...but its true... peoples from differing backgrounds/ethnicity do tend to be more in favour of certain styles of music. to suggest that theres an equal % of black/white/asian at all types of gig/festival/buying music is political correct nonsense.
ive seen very very few black or asian people at rock or punk gigs, and certainly not the national %.
My point is that skin colour is no barrier to someone liking rock music, or any other genre of music in this country and to bring the colour of a person's skin in to a debate such as this is wrong. The vast majority of Reggae lovers in this country are, in very general terms, of Afro-Carribean descent but that doesn't stop white people from enjoying Reggae and that same is true, in reverse of Rock music.
I also didn't suggest there's an equal percentage of black/white/asian people at all types of gig/festival/buying music, to be seen as "politically correct", either. I was simply saying that if there were to be a gig where the audience exactly represented the racial makeup of this country then the audience would be overwhelmingly white. That isn't "political correctness", that is statistical fact.
It doesn't need to and never has done. Back in the 70's the mighty Led Zeppelin outsold all the pap in the charts without ever releasing a single. It's the same today with half of the top 10 best-selling albums of all time being of the rock genre. I include "Thriller" which featured artists such as Eddie van Halen and Todd Rundgren playing guitar. http://www.toptens.com/music-albums-worldwide/
My point is that skin colour is no barrier to someone liking rock music, or any other genre of music in this country and to bring the colour of a person's skin in to a debate such as this is wrong. The vast majority of Reggae lovers in this country are, in very general terms, of Afro-Carribean descent but that doesn't stop white people from enjoying Reggae and that same is true, in reverse of Rock music.
I also didn't suggest there's an equal percentage of black/white/asian people at all types of gig/festival/buying music, to be seen as "politically correct", either. I was simply saying that if there were to be a gig where the audience exactly represented the racial makeup of this country then the audience would be overwhelmingly white. That isn't "political correctness", that is statistical fact.
agreed, so your view isnt that different from 'vauxhall64's post then that you refered to as 'ridiculous' :D
When was the last time proper rock bands charted well with singles? Proper actual 'rock' though - be it a power ballad or a melodic rock single. Not Britpop or its offsprings. I'm talking about to the extent where it mixed in with the usual dance, pop, r&b stuff on a regular basis.
I'm going for early 90s (part crossover with grunge and late 80s hangover)
The difference being I would never mention the colour mix of the audience at any event whereas 'vauxhall64' has in both of their posts on this topic.
I find the necessity to mention people's skin colour ridiculous in the first place.
I don't see what's so controversial about saying that certain genres of music are more popular with some groups than with others. I haven't said no black or Asian kids like rock, just that non-white teenagers in the big cities are not likely to be fans of metal/Coldplay/Radiohead/Kings of Leon, etc. Believe me, that music is not what I hear coming from their phones on public transport here in London!
How can anyone argue that hip hop, grime and r'n'b don't dominate the buying/downloading habits of these kids? And that the taste of these kids is very influential on the music scene? And that this is one big reason for rock's gradual slide from the charts? It's as plain as day unless you choose to live in a fantasy land where we all like the same types of music in equal measure. Now that is 'ridiculous'.
Apart from the odd exceptions rock / metal will continue to have a lack of presence in the charts.Rock / metal area of music will continue to have the largest appreciation rate amongst music followers in the fragmented way it has developed (rock genres will continue to have it's restricted popularity sub-genres).Rock / metal will still generally not very marketable to mainstream concerns due to this fragmented sub-genre phenomenom.
Add all these sub-genres (probably 100 +) together & you will find out just how popular the rock / metal area of music still is.Not sure if many artists will get cross-over support as easily as the previous few decades such as Muse, Radiohead, Queen, Metallica, Iron Maiden etc.
Indie music (generally now used as a term to describe an area of music which lies between pop & more altenative,but not too alternative, music on the margins) will further go down a path that generally most rock fans wouldn't include in the rock / metal area, thus loosing more & more credibility, which is very important with the hipster (indie fan crowd - whoever they are ), thus still generally lack chart presence as well
I was simply saying that if there were to be a gig where the audience exactly represented the racial makeup of this country then the audience would be overwhelmingly white. That isn't "political correctness", that is statistical fact.
It depends where you are in the country and it depends on the age range. If it was a gig in Birmingham or London attended by 15-25 year-olds, then it should probably be less than 50% white people attending if it was representing the racial make-up of those cities.
And there is definitely a big difference in music tastes between different demographics. Not only with race, but also with age, gender, sexual orientation, political views, etc. It may not be politcally correct to say this, but when you go out into the world you definitely notice this.
That said, I haven't noticed an extreme difference in what people of different races listen to at my uni (most people listen to hip hop, drum & bass, UK garage, house, dubstep, grime, R&B, etc.)
However, one of the clubs I go to a lot (and it's one of the biggest clubs in the city) has a massive room where they play bhangra music on some nights, and when I go in there it's probably 90% asians in that room, whilst the club as a whole might be about 40% asians. So that's one example I can think of where a style of music is more popular with one race than others,
Birmingham is probably the biggest place in the entire world for bhangra music, it's huge here!
How can anyone argue that hip hop, grime and r'n'b don't dominate the buying/downloading habits of these kids? And that the taste of these kids is very influential on the music scene? And that this is one big reason for rock's gradual slide from the charts? It's as plain as day unless you choose to live in a fantasy land where we all like the same types of music in equal measure. Now that is 'ridiculous'.
But that view is based on the idea that the singles chart is the be-all and end-all of what is "popular" in this country and I'm saying that simply isn't the case.
Rock music in this country is thriving, despite the complete lack of coverage by the mainstream media, however that success is being driven by album sales and live performances. Singles these days are considered an irreverence by most Rock bands and most Rock labels so for that reason alone Rock music will not appear in the singles chart.
It is also worth remembering that the vast majority of Rock music is purchased on a physical format rather than download so where as an individual "Urban" track might generate enough individual download sales to propel it in to the singles chart that would be very unlikely to happen with a Rock track.
I do agree with the current stuff but R&B in the late 70's to 90's was amazing and soulful but commercialism just like dance music ruined it. This goes for rap music too.
It depends where you are in the country and it depends on the age range. If it was a gig in Birmingham or London attended by 15-25 year-olds, then it should probably be less than 50% white people attending if it was representing the racial make-up of those cities.
This statement overlooks the fact that an audience at a gig isn't just made up of those within walking distance of the venue. Thus the ethic mix will tend to more representative of the country as a whole.
I mean, let's put it this way. Ludacris, Florence + the Machine and Taylor Swift all have songs in the chart, but their songs are practically the same.
Continuing with the theme of race in music, loads of white kids are in to 'black' music, but hardly any black kids are in to 'white' music.
This is quite an ignorant statement to make. A lot of the "black music" that white kids have been listening to lately is catered to the mainstream audience. Drake, lil Wayne, nicki minaj, they make the pop version of hip hop, if you can even Cal it that. It's very different from the days of Common, LL Cool J, NWA, etc. People listen to music they can relate to and the pop rappers of today appeal to a larger audience.
On the other side, it's the same. I'm black and don't listen to metal or whatever, but a lot of the music I listen to doesn't appeal to a lot of the black people I know. I don't like a lot of rap music, I do like Uncle Kracker, Jessie J, Christina Pertinent, Neon Trees, The Script, and others that aren't what you'd expect of a black persons iPod. My brother is a stereotypical skater and is all about bands. One of my best friends listens to mostly Latin music. I hate country music for the most part, but remember that kid on US XF? Music has less to do with color and more with what you can relate to and what sounds good to you. I'd take The All-American Rejects over anyone from Young Money any day of the week.
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Also, in London and Birmingham, white people make less than 50% of senior school students (and the study I read which found that out was conducted like a decade ago, so it's probably even lower now).
That said, I don't think it's THAT much to do with race. Like I'm at univeristy atm (in Birmingham), it seems pretty evenly split between white, black and asian, but I don't see that much difference between their musical tastes tbh.
And to be honest, I'm constantly hearing people playing music on full blast in their rooms, in their cars, and not to mention in clubs and at house parties, and I don't really hear much from the charts anyway. It's not "cool" for young people to listen to chart music.
Yeah. I personally think the charts are the last thing you should look at if you want to determine what young people are listening to, especially males.
I'm going for early 90s (part crossover with grunge and late 80s hangover)
i think thats alwas been the case, i mean, an album in the 70's was c £2, a single c50p , and rock appealled to a 'cooler' audience then the singles chart did.
What a ridiculous statement to make!
The colour of your skin is no barrier to your musical taste but that fact remains that this country is still overwhelmingly white. So to take an average audience at an average gig then statistically the majority are bound to be white.
Rock music has never been about hit singles, it has always been about albums, the single was the vehicle to publicise the release of a new album and, almost always, the accompanying tour. These days with the internet the necessity to release a single has been removed because band and record label newsletters, etc, are much better tools for publicity.
As for album sales, most major Rock labels have reported significantly lower drops in sales for physical albums than the average, and certainly much lower falls than many of the more chart-orientated genres who have seen their physical sales fall off a cliff and the Rock labels have also said that the decline in physical CD sales has been offset by increased vinyl sales. rock fans in general prefer the physical medium to downloading.
I go to @ 20 - 30 Rock gigs a year, sometimes more, and they are mostly in Bristol, Cardiff, Birmingham, & London, and in general 90% of those gigs are sold out and the remainder usually only have a handful of tickets left. So attendances at Rock gigs have held up very well considering the current economic climate and I would say the vast majority of those attending those gigs are under 30.
...but its true... peoples from differing backgrounds/ethnicity do tend to be more in favour of certain styles of music. to suggest that theres an equal % of black/white/asian at all types of gig/festival/buying music is political correct nonsense.
ive seen very very few black or asian people at rock or punk gigs, and certainly not the national %.
My point is that skin colour is no barrier to someone liking rock music, or any other genre of music in this country and to bring the colour of a person's skin in to a debate such as this is wrong. The vast majority of Reggae lovers in this country are, in very general terms, of Afro-Carribean descent but that doesn't stop white people from enjoying Reggae and that same is true, in reverse of Rock music.
I also didn't suggest there's an equal percentage of black/white/asian people at all types of gig/festival/buying music, to be seen as "politically correct", either. I was simply saying that if there were to be a gig where the audience exactly represented the racial makeup of this country then the audience would be overwhelmingly white. That isn't "political correctness", that is statistical fact.
Bring back rock!
http://www.toptens.com/music-albums-worldwide/
agreed, so your view isnt that different from 'vauxhall64's post then that you refered to as 'ridiculous'
RATM in 2009.
The difference being I would never mention the colour mix of the audience at any event whereas 'vauxhall64' has in both of their posts on this topic.
I find the necessity to mention people's skin colour ridiculous in the first place.
I don't see what's so controversial about saying that certain genres of music are more popular with some groups than with others. I haven't said no black or Asian kids like rock, just that non-white teenagers in the big cities are not likely to be fans of metal/Coldplay/Radiohead/Kings of Leon, etc. Believe me, that music is not what I hear coming from their phones on public transport here in London!
How can anyone argue that hip hop, grime and r'n'b don't dominate the buying/downloading habits of these kids? And that the taste of these kids is very influential on the music scene? And that this is one big reason for rock's gradual slide from the charts? It's as plain as day unless you choose to live in a fantasy land where we all like the same types of music in equal measure. Now that is 'ridiculous'.
Add all these sub-genres (probably 100 +) together & you will find out just how popular the rock / metal area of music still is.Not sure if many artists will get cross-over support as easily as the previous few decades such as Muse, Radiohead, Queen, Metallica, Iron Maiden etc.
Indie music (generally now used as a term to describe an area of music which lies between pop & more altenative,but not too alternative, music on the margins) will further go down a path that generally most rock fans wouldn't include in the rock / metal area, thus loosing more & more credibility, which is very important with the hipster
It depends where you are in the country and it depends on the age range. If it was a gig in Birmingham or London attended by 15-25 year-olds, then it should probably be less than 50% white people attending if it was representing the racial make-up of those cities.
And there is definitely a big difference in music tastes between different demographics. Not only with race, but also with age, gender, sexual orientation, political views, etc. It may not be politcally correct to say this, but when you go out into the world you definitely notice this.
That said, I haven't noticed an extreme difference in what people of different races listen to at my uni (most people listen to hip hop, drum & bass, UK garage, house, dubstep, grime, R&B, etc.)
However, one of the clubs I go to a lot (and it's one of the biggest clubs in the city) has a massive room where they play bhangra music on some nights, and when I go in there it's probably 90% asians in that room, whilst the club as a whole might be about 40% asians. So that's one example I can think of where a style of music is more popular with one race than others,
Birmingham is probably the biggest place in the entire world for bhangra music, it's huge here!
But that view is based on the idea that the singles chart is the be-all and end-all of what is "popular" in this country and I'm saying that simply isn't the case.
Rock music in this country is thriving, despite the complete lack of coverage by the mainstream media, however that success is being driven by album sales and live performances. Singles these days are considered an irreverence by most Rock bands and most Rock labels so for that reason alone Rock music will not appear in the singles chart.
It is also worth remembering that the vast majority of Rock music is purchased on a physical format rather than download so where as an individual "Urban" track might generate enough individual download sales to propel it in to the singles chart that would be very unlikely to happen with a Rock track.
I hope so, rock is brilliant & RnB is crap.
I do agree with the current stuff but R&B in the late 70's to 90's was amazing and soulful but commercialism just like dance music ruined it. This goes for rap music too.
This statement overlooks the fact that an audience at a gig isn't just made up of those within walking distance of the venue. Thus the ethic mix will tend to more representative of the country as a whole.
What.
This is quite an ignorant statement to make. A lot of the "black music" that white kids have been listening to lately is catered to the mainstream audience. Drake, lil Wayne, nicki minaj, they make the pop version of hip hop, if you can even Cal it that. It's very different from the days of Common, LL Cool J, NWA, etc. People listen to music they can relate to and the pop rappers of today appeal to a larger audience.
On the other side, it's the same. I'm black and don't listen to metal or whatever, but a lot of the music I listen to doesn't appeal to a lot of the black people I know. I don't like a lot of rap music, I do like Uncle Kracker, Jessie J, Christina Pertinent, Neon Trees, The Script, and others that aren't what you'd expect of a black persons iPod. My brother is a stereotypical skater and is all about bands. One of my best friends listens to mostly Latin music. I hate country music for the most part, but remember that kid on US XF? Music has less to do with color and more with what you can relate to and what sounds good to you. I'd take The All-American Rejects over anyone from Young Money any day of the week.