- I said to my husband last night, didnt the autons need to keep their original alive?...they kept mickey smith alive...so yeah, maybe rory has been alive all along. hope so.
I'm pretty sure it was implied that they can opt to keep the original live but needn't do so through necessity. I think it was played as a "isn't the Doctor alien?" moment that he hadn't thought to tell Rose that Mickey might still be alive. My memory could be faulty though, and I don't have any way of checking. Anyone?
Or, an Alliance of the friends of the Doctor, they must be plenty of them.
Really good at last, and now we only have one episode left!
I hope not, after Journey's End and would expect not because of Journey's End (ie, it'd all be a bit too familiar). I'm hoping that auton Rory comes to the rescue, that the Doctor has secreted River Song's vortex manipulator about his person or that she still has it and still has time to use it.
Now as to next week, will we see the Tardis being the cause of the big bang? Or, an Alliance of the friends of the Doctor, they must be plenty of them.
They had an alliance of friends at the end of series 4. They can't possibly repeat that at the end of 5.
The resolution is going to be all down to Amy and Amelia, I'll bet.
I'd be inclined to agree - his mentioning of goblins being tricked by good wizards etc made me think this. Though River said that she hated good wizards "because they usually turn out to be him" meaning the Doctor.
Most kids know about Roman Centurions don't you know, haven't you seen Horrible Histories. My son has already had to go to school dressed in a toga for Roman day. It took all my strength not to say to him "And, what did the Romans ever do for us?"
...that the Doctor has secreted River Song's vortex manipulator about his person or that she still has it and still has time to use it.
Good thinking - River Song did have a vortex manipulator, so she could have escaped.
I guess, from there, she goes to release the Doctor.
Wonder if the 'remember what I told you when you were 7 years old?' line from 'Flesh & Blood' is going to be an instruction from the Doctor to the younger Amy to prepare herself for the day when an auton Rory shoots her?
Good thinking - River Song did have a vortex manipulator, so she could have escaped.
I guess, from there, she goes to release the Doctor.
Wonder if the 'remember what I told you when you were 7 years old?' line from 'Flesh & Blood' is going to be an instruction from the Doctor to the younger Amy to prepare herself for the day when an auton Rory shoots her?
A 'Back To The Future'-style bullet-proof vest?
Regards,
Cypher
Except that when the Doctor was put into the Pandorica, he didn't know that Auton Rory has just shot her.
Fab episode this week. I liked the music stopping suddenly at the end as the universe ceased to have existed.
I think it was significant that you could still see the Earth after all the other stars and galaxies has gone.
At this point, the universe never existing seems to demand a reset button. It might even be the case where established continuity is all up for grabs too.
Fab episode this week. I liked the music stopping suddenly at the end as the universe ceased to have existed.
I think it was significant that you could still see the Earth after all the other stars and galaxies has gone.
At this point, the universe never existing seems to demand a reset button. It might even be the case where established continuity is all up for grabs too.
For me this season has been pretty poor in terms of each individual story, while Matt Smith and Karen Gillan have been excellent. But this episode was excellent, and it's a proper cliff hanger.
Can't wait for the next episode and the next season with Matt and Karen!
Fab episode this week. I liked the music stopping suddenly at the end as the universe ceased to have existed.
I think it was significant that you could still see the Earth after all the other stars and galaxies has gone.
At this point, the universe never existing seems to demand a reset button. It might even be the case where established continuity is all up for grabs too.
Established continuity was already up for grabs because of the Time War. So I don't believe in the reset button theory...
I thought it was okay. The Doctor's speech whilst standing on the stone was badly done though. I actually found myself thinking that David Tennant would have done it a hundred times better, with more passion and more conviction.
I had a few seconds of hope that Amy Pond was dead and would stay dead but I'm quite prepared for the re-set button to be put into play next week.
Agree about the speech - that was a bit cringeworthy and by far the worst part of the episode. Don't need a re-set button to bring Amy back as there was no evidence on screen that she is in fact dead.
I'm pretty sure it was implied that they can opt to keep the original live but needn't do so through necessity. I think it was played as a "isn't the Doctor alien?" moment that he hadn't thought to tell Rose that Mickey might still be alive. My memory could be faulty though, and I don't have any way of checking. Anyone?
It was kind of implied in 'Rose' that the original needn't be kept alive, but since it was pretty much established in 'Spearhead from Space' that the originals were needed to keep the copies working, who knows? These replicas seem to be built by a different method anyway, created from the memories of a third party rather than from the memories of the subject being copied, so it's probably a moot point.
Have you guys never seen Doctor Who before? The Doctor has been killed numerous times and always survived.
Then you kill him a couple of more times until all his regenerations have been used up. Indeed I have see Doctor Who before, not sure how much you have though.
Yup, but he would find out when he gets released from the Pandorica. Hence, he could tip off the younger Amy so she'd be able to prepare herself.
Regards,
Cypher
Which I suspect may indeed be what happens, or close to it. How many times this year has he said 'time can be rewritten'? And what caused the noise Amy heard in the Underhenge which distracted her for a few moments and caused her to turn around?
Well I have to say that was the worst episode I have ever seen!
No, just joking!! I thought it was superb, well crafted and thought out rather well. I can't wait to see the conclusion next week and see how the Doctor gets out of it!!
LOL. you're not actully missing all the fighting thats been missing this week are you? lol
One thing I am glad about is that it was true what some had mentioned about not seeing the vortex till now, and the titles vortex with the lightning wasn't just random, it actually tied into the story. I thought that was cool.
I'd much rather be here than Gallifrey Base Forums at the moment.
I was joking by the way from my initial "worst episode sentence". I've just watched the end of it again and it is clearly the best cliffhanger since The Stolen Earth. It's great when things come out from left field and surprise us. And this has certainly done that. For the benefit of the overseas fans who haven't seen it yet...just wait - you will love it!
Which I suspect may indeed be what happens, or close to it. How many times this year has he said 'time can be rewritten'? And what caused the noise Amy heard in the Underhenge which distracted her for a few moments and caused her to turn around?
Yup, there could be a bit of time-trickery similar to the final act of 'Harry Potter & The Prisoner Of Azkaban' creeping in there.
I'm pretty convinced that the second Doctor we saw in 'Flesh & Stone' was forewarning Amy about her demise - he showed a lot of affection towards her in that scene in a 'if this doesn't work, this will be the last time I see her' kinda way. Made sense to do it when she had her eyes closed, as it might otherwise have disrupted the timeline in other ways.
I suppose the other big clue in the episode was the comment about Amy's house having too many rooms. Which means either that there's something wrong with the house, or there are people missing in the house that should be there.
Maybe Amy's house is the real TARDIS (or just the top floor of it to tie in with 'The Lodger'), and the one the Doctor has been piloting about this season (and consistently arriving late in) was always a fake booby-trapped to explode by the Big Bad.
And, if it is a fake TARDIS, then presumably the Big Bad could only be a timelord...
Very good episode indeed, set up nicely for the finale
Pardon my stupidity lol, but just rewatched the end, is the reason river is apologising because despite her best efforts she cannot stop the TARDIS from exploding??
How come, are they all fighting or something? (don't have a login...)
Oh it's just the most horrendous place. Honestly. Every thread always descends into bickering and arguing about the most trivial and pathetic thing. I've posted there on and off but it's getting to the stage where I just can't be bothered with it anymore. The atmosphere is just way too confrontational, and you can't help but get pulled into ridiculous nonsense.
e.g.
Unfortunately it has taken the new prod team 12 eps to produce an episode on a par with the RTD era
There's only so much of that sort of crap you can read before you start to retaliate.
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I'm pretty sure it was implied that they can opt to keep the original live but needn't do so through necessity. I think it was played as a "isn't the Doctor alien?" moment that he hadn't thought to tell Rose that Mickey might still be alive. My memory could be faulty though, and I don't have any way of checking. Anyone?
I hope not, after Journey's End and would expect not because of Journey's End (ie, it'd all be a bit too familiar). I'm hoping that auton Rory comes to the rescue, that the Doctor has secreted River Song's vortex manipulator about his person or that she still has it and still has time to use it.
They had an alliance of friends at the end of series 4. They can't possibly repeat that at the end of 5.
The resolution is going to be all down to Amy and Amelia, I'll bet.
I'd be inclined to agree - his mentioning of goblins being tricked by good wizards etc made me think this. Though River said that she hated good wizards "because they usually turn out to be him" meaning the Doctor.
Good thinking - River Song did have a vortex manipulator, so she could have escaped.
I guess, from there, she goes to release the Doctor.
Wonder if the 'remember what I told you when you were 7 years old?' line from 'Flesh & Blood' is going to be an instruction from the Doctor to the younger Amy to prepare herself for the day when an auton Rory shoots her?
A 'Back To The Future'-style bullet-proof vest?
Regards,
Cypher
Except that when the Doctor was put into the Pandorica, he didn't know that Auton Rory has just shot her.
I think it was significant that you could still see the Earth after all the other stars and galaxies has gone.
At this point, the universe never existing seems to demand a reset button. It might even be the case where established continuity is all up for grabs too.
Yup, but he would find out when he gets released from the Pandorica. Hence, he could tip off the younger Amy so she'd be able to prepare herself.
Regards,
Cypher
It was made even better by the lack of
NEXT WEEK!!!!
For me this season has been pretty poor in terms of each individual story, while Matt Smith and Karen Gillan have been excellent. But this episode was excellent, and it's a proper cliff hanger.
Can't wait for the next episode and the next season with Matt and Karen!
Established continuity was already up for grabs because of the Time War. So I don't believe in the reset button theory...
Agree about the speech - that was a bit cringeworthy and by far the worst part of the episode. Don't need a re-set button to bring Amy back as there was no evidence on screen that she is in fact dead.
Then you kill him a couple of more times until all his regenerations have been used up. Indeed I have see Doctor Who before, not sure how much you have though.
LOL. you're not actully missing all the fighting thats been missing this week are you? lol
that was great and creepy all at the same time
very cool yes
I was joking by the way from my initial "worst episode sentence". I've just watched the end of it again and it is clearly the best cliffhanger since The Stolen Earth. It's great when things come out from left field and surprise us. And this has certainly done that. For the benefit of the overseas fans who haven't seen it yet...just wait - you will love it!
Yup, there could be a bit of time-trickery similar to the final act of 'Harry Potter & The Prisoner Of Azkaban' creeping in there.
I'm pretty convinced that the second Doctor we saw in 'Flesh & Stone' was forewarning Amy about her demise - he showed a lot of affection towards her in that scene in a 'if this doesn't work, this will be the last time I see her' kinda way. Made sense to do it when she had her eyes closed, as it might otherwise have disrupted the timeline in other ways.
I suppose the other big clue in the episode was the comment about Amy's house having too many rooms. Which means either that there's something wrong with the house, or there are people missing in the house that should be there.
Maybe Amy's house is the real TARDIS (or just the top floor of it to tie in with 'The Lodger'), and the one the Doctor has been piloting about this season (and consistently arriving late in) was always a fake booby-trapped to explode by the Big Bad.
And, if it is a fake TARDIS, then presumably the Big Bad could only be a timelord...
Regards,
Cypher
How come, are they all fighting or something? (don't have a login...)
Pardon my stupidity lol, but just rewatched the end, is the reason river is apologising because despite her best efforts she cannot stop the TARDIS from exploding??
Sorry, rather slow on the uptake
Oh it's just the most horrendous place. Honestly. Every thread always descends into bickering and arguing about the most trivial and pathetic thing. I've posted there on and off but it's getting to the stage where I just can't be bothered with it anymore. The atmosphere is just way too confrontational, and you can't help but get pulled into ridiculous nonsense.
e.g.
There's only so much of that sort of crap you can read before you start to retaliate.
It seems to me the person who's voice that was, forced the Tardis to blow up.