Telephone conversation between Michael and a friend (early 90's)

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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 7,881
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    sweetpea12 wrote: »
    If that's the case i believe he only had sex with Lisa Marie, as he most certainly did not with Rowe, who would? Is'nt she a lesbian anyway?

    Actually is'nt it a requirement of being a Jahovah, that you can only have sex after marriage? He was a devout follower then as his dad and brothers obviously was'nt. Unless it's ok to have affairs whilst being a jahovah.

    If you are a JW then there is absolutly no sex before marraige. Michael was very into the religion which is why he said that he was a virgin, especially in the 80s. There's a video of Eddie Murphy doing his stand up on YouTube where he takes the piss out of Michael for it. Joe Jackson isn't a Witness, Katherine is and she raised the children as JWs. Most of the kids left the religion, Michael and La Toya were into the religion until they were 'disfellowed'-Michael because of Thriller and La Toya because of Playboy. Rebbie is still a Witness.
  • surreyfrogsurreyfrog Posts: 18
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    If what is being said here is that a 17 year old boy kissed and cuddled a 12 year old girl on or in a bed, then he had problems. If this was someone you knew, the behaviour would be considered inappropriate or even bordering on child abuse.

    I have to say, the more I read here about Michael Jackson's sexuality or lack of it, with attempts to show he was this or that way inclined, the tackier it sounds, it all has has a desperate, unwholesome air about it.
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    Tatum was not twelve when she met Michael she was 16. Her memory fails her. All Pictures of her pictured with Michael were in 1979 off the wall era when Michael was around 21.

    You can see here and you can see from the hair style Michael has that he was not 17 he had afro at that time, and Tatum is not 12..

    http://www.hotklix.com/link/entertainment/music/Michael-Jackson-with-Tatum-O-039-Neal
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    florrirose wrote: »
    Tatum was not twelve when she met Michael she was 16. Her memory fails her. All Pictures of her pictured with Michael were in 1979 off the wall era when Michael was around 21.

    You can see here and you can see from the hair style Michael has that he was not 17 he had afro at that time, and Tatum is not 12..

    http://www.hotklix.com/link/entertainment/music/Michael-Jackson-with-Tatum-O-039-Neal


    I have to question what on earth a 12y/o was doing at an LA club! Michael never mentions how old Tate was in the phone conversation. He dealt with Tate 'when he was younger.' Her own father accused her of telling malicious lies in order to create a best-seller. I always got the impression Tate was the one who would persue Michael which would make sense because he was shy and he explains it this way in the private conversation as well as in interviews.
    Those are also the only pictures around of Tate & Michael together.

    In Moonwalk MJ writes that Tate was his first love 'after Diana' which would explain that he was infatuated with Diana but Tate a girlfriend that would follow.

    Thanks for clearing that up! Sorry for causing any confusion.
  • i4ui4u Posts: 54,814
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    12 years old pah she's an OAP compared to Anderson Cooper who says when 10 years old he went to Studio 54 with Michael.

    Studio 54 was a club was famous for the triple A guest list, interesting who were said to be among the regulars Liza Minnelli, Brooke Shields and Diana Ross.

    The club was said to have a thriving drug and sex culture.

    When making the Film 'The Wiz' in 1977 Michael was said to be a frequent visitor to Studio 54 with his sister La Toya.
    As they settled into New York life, one of the places they discovered was Studio 54, then in its hedonistic prime. They were often escorted by Liza Minnelli and always taken to the basement, where there were no rules at all.

    But Truman Capote later said Michael and La Toya were oases of innocence.
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    Has he ever spoken about dating Stephanie Mills? That was around the time of The Wiz wasn't it? I heard her interview about it on Youtube but never anything from his side.
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    Does anyone have the transcripts of these?
  • *Laura**Laura* Posts: 45,129
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    Tsura wrote: »
    Does anyone have the transcripts of these?

    The link below is Stephanie Mills talking about dating MJ. I love MJ but, I think the guys in the background are hilarious (Have you seen his real nose?). :o:D

    LINK
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    i4u wrote: »
    12 years old pah she's an OAP compared to Anderson Cooper who says when 10 years old he went to Studio 54 with Michael.

    Studio 54 was a club was famous for the triple A guest list, interesting who were said to be among the regulars Liza Minnelli, Brooke Shields and Diana Ross.

    The club was said to have a thriving drug and sex culture.

    When making the Film 'The Wiz' in 1977 Michael was said to be a frequent visitor to Studio 54 with his sister La Toya.

    I've seen some pics of him in Studio 54, and yes your description seems to be very true ;)
    They definately met at another club in LA (not NY), On the Rox.
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    *Laura* wrote: »
    The link below is Stephanie Mills talking about dating MJ. I love MJ but, I think the guys in the background are hilarious (Have you seen his real nose?). :o:D

    LINK

    Those interviewers are so silly! :D:D
    But I still cracked up at "Ease on Down The Road" :eek::D:o She's not wrong when she said, "I hear you guys are kinda crazy..."
    In Moonwalk Michael says he became very friendly with her after watching her do The Wiz on Broadway, they have also been pictured together. Here's them at the AMA's. So it's possible they've dated.

    Also from Moonwalk:
    "There have been a lot of wonderful women in my life, women whose names wouldn't mean anything to the readers of this book, and it would be unfair to discuss them because they are not celebrities and are unaccustomed to having their names in print. I value my privacy and therefore I respect theirs as well"
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    NOTICE-

    After digging around this subject quite a lot I have found that these tapes were blasted outside the courthouse by publicist (not working for MJ) David Hans Schmidt. He was the one who said there was 'dynamite stuff' on the recordings. They were originally leaked by hansnews after Glenda's ex sold them. Glenda is said to be the mother to the 9 year old boy and for the record, MJ never makes a reference like that to his hair, I can tell you as I have the transcript in text. Just another example of the side-stepping, twisted media bias.

    Hans News link: Scroll down! http://www.hansnews.com/
    http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Sky-News-Archive/Article/200806413318113
    http://en.allexperts.com/q/Jackson-Michael-489/hey-michael-lisa-marie.htm
    http://en.allexperts.com/q/Jackson-Michael-489/2009/8/Glenda-phonecalls.htm
  • i4ui4u Posts: 54,814
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    Is it known when the You Tube recordings were made?

    I thought possibly 1992 as the male says Cologne July 11 and Frankfurt Aug 28 which matches the Dangerous Tour in 1992.

    But in tape 4 he spells out 'Gelsenkichen' which I can only find on The Bad Tour in 1988.

    Also on tape 4 a story is recounted of warning a girl backstage not to go with Jackie, well there is a very similar story featured in the 1990 book 'Michael Jackson: The Magic & The Madness' by J. Randy Taraborrelli.
    14-year-old Michael......pleads with an 18-year-old girl backstage after a concert not to go and meet his brother Jackie, then 21.

    "My brothers, sometimes they don't treat girls too good. They can be mean. I don't know why they do these things, but they do. Please, don't go."

    This was prepared before the Black Vine message appeared...
  • i4ui4u Posts: 54,814
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    black_vine wrote: »
    NOTICE-

    After digging around this subject quite a lot I have found that these tapes were blasted outside the courthouse by publicist (not working for MJ) David Hans Schmidt. He was the one who said there was 'dynamite stuff' on the recordings. They were originally leaked by hansnews after Glenda's ex sold them. Glenda is said to be the mother to the 9 year old boy and for the record, MJ never makes a reference like that to his hair, I can tell you as I have the transcript in text. Just another example of the side-stepping, twisted media bias.

    Hans News link: Scroll down! http://www.hansnews.com/
    http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Sky-News-Archive/Article/200806413318113
    http://en.allexperts.com/q/Jackson-Michael-489/hey-michael-lisa-marie.htm
    http://en.allexperts.com/q/Jackson-Michael-489/2009/8/Glenda-phonecalls.htm

    So it would seem these tapes did not form part of the 2005 trial but used as part of a publicity stunt to create interest in the tapes and sell them?

    By the way one answer says they were made in 1992 and the second answer says prior to the 'Bad Tour' 1987/88.

    It's so good to see Davd Hans Schmidt taking the high moral ground handing back to Jamie Foxx intimate pictures. :)
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    Is it known when the You Tube recordings were made?

    Glenda makes a reference to MJ's age, something to the effect of 'you're pushing thirty-four, my dear'. This would mean the tapes would have been recorded before 29 August 1992. In the transcript MJ references filming the video for the single Jam, the single was released in July 1992.
    La Toya Jackson's damaging 'autobiography' was published in 1991 and MJ references it. It was re-issued throughout the 90's but that points to the recordings being after 1991.
    Remember that Taraborelli's book was last updated in 2004. This is the one I own and the story is there. However there is a 2009 version called Michael Jackson: The Magic, The Madness, The Whole Story.

    MJ did the Gelsenkirchen show September 4th 1988 on the Bad tour. He mentions something about a hospital, being on a helicopter ride and that he would be in Berlin until 6th September. He perhaps was visiting the sick in hopsital as he would normally do. He mentions going to Cologne on the 11th.
    Dangerous tour dates before his birthday and after Jam was released, in Germany are:
    07/11/92 Cologne, Germany - Müngersdorfer Stadium
    08/08/92 Bremen, Germany - Weserstadion
    08/10/92 Hamburg, Germany - Volksparkstadion
    08/13/92 Hamelin, Germany - Weserberglandstadion
    08/28/92 Frankfurt, Germany - Waldstadion

    To me, all of this points to the tapes infact being recorded in 1992. More precisely before 11th July. He did a Munich show in 6th June and had not yet done his 11th July show.
    So it would seem these tapes did not form part of the 2005 trial but used as part of a publicity stunt to create interest in the tapes and sell them?

    I have heard that MJ's defense threatened to use them, but I can't back this up. It seems they weren't used in the 2005 trial. (?)


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/index.html?curid=8145160
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jam_(song)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dangerous_World_Tour
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