best series of new who. series 4. but why
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Is it because there was no love interest for either character in any shape or form through the whole season.
Moffat please take note
Moffat please take note
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Garbage456... congratulations on your self-awareness.
oh please. Firstly it was RTD who placed romance in the foreground of New Who. He started it. And I'm glad he did.
Personally I think S4 has dated worse than any other season of the show. Its a bit of a mess which has some real peaks but some real lows. And the lows are really bad.
oh and no love interest for either character in any shape or form? So lets pretend that Donna didn't in fact have relationships (albeit failed ones) and that one of the main arcs of the series was Rose crossing time and space to try and rekindle her love affair with the Doctor. Yeah. Lets pretend that.
Apart from River Song? And Donna's romantic interest in the same story? And the return of Rose?
It just worked, especially the second half of the series.
Yes, clearly. There is no further room for debate. It is totally clear and you have definitively resolved the matter. Thank you. My tastes were different to yours but now you have brought such clarity to the subject I can now accept the clear truth of the matter.
Thank God the fog has been lifted from my eyes and I now see clearly.
You're welcome
This thread may serve to be the forum equivalent of Jesus.
I'm not sure why the OP has already reached the conclusion of 'four was the best' and is now querying why this is in fact 'true'. I don't really understand why anyone would consider series four the best. Yeah it's subjective. But if you're going to claim something blindly you might as well do it truthfully. The majority of the arc in series four was about a mopey miserable lovelorn Rose looking for The Doctor. If anything, romance is more present in series four than any other. Just because Donna just wanted to be 'mates' (which they hammered home every 5 minutes) doesn't mean it wasn't there. But hey, maybe people only consider romance making googley eyes and having possessed snogs on New Earth.
Funny isn't it how much people are willing to forgive when they enjoy other aspects of the series. I have been the same. But really. I have seen fervent pro-RTD and S4 fans (not here) whinging about how the 'the doctors older now and not romantic' is so over done. And yet the same people would be chortling loudly at the repeated constant 'joke' about Doctor and Donna just being 'mates'. Its the inconsistency which is annoying. Witness the fact people are now having a go at Moffat for having romance in the show and yet the same people are still sat on tumblr reposting pictures of Ten and Rose.
Laughable really.
And watching back now without the relief that she wasn't diabolical she can be quite annoying. And of course she totally dominated that season along with Rose pushing the Doctor to the back somewhat. And yet we have people slating Clara for being too dominant. How short are peoples memories?
It's just the double standard of it all that I find grating. But some people can't get away from what's been and gone in Doctor Who. Rose and Ten was 'beautiful and amazing and heartfelt' and all that bullshit. But anyone else behaving similarly with him would be a pale imitation. The show needs heart, it would be miserable and dry without it. Moffat has been responsible for some of the most beautiful moments in Doctor Who - why would anyone want rid of that? I recently rewatched Vincent And The Doctor and I'm not ashamed to say I cried like a little girl! 'Added to his pile of good things' IMO is so much more emotive than Rose bashing on the wall to go back to her universe. That should be on poorly edited posts on tumblr!
Urgh. Donna. Blah. I find rewatching series four hard work and I'm pretty sure it's because of her. She just shouts. All that 'OI WATCH IT SPACEMAN!' nonsense just makes me angry. It's funny because I loved her when series four was first broadcast. But to be fair to me, I was young and probably a bit stupid.
As for Clara- I said on another thread that New Who has always been companion centric. Bad Wolf, DoctorDonna, Martha saving the world in series 3, Amy/Rory/River. It's like none of that existed to some people. If anything, Clara is just being a normal person.
season 5 IMO was awful, do not understand the love for it at all on this forum.
it is only beaten in awfulness by series 7B.
though the current one is putting up some fight for the title! mainly down to that utterly horrendous Danny Pink character. WTF was Moffat thinking ?!
Thanks for your thoughts. You have really made a valuable contribution to the debate and given us a lot to think about.
As others have said it is entirely a matter of OPINION, and the manner in which you have taken your own OPINION as a given in relation to the original post is EITHER so short-sighted as to warrant education, OR a deliberate attempt to deny others the opportunity to question that "fact"...
...Some might add the third option of it bordering on provocative trolling but I'll abstain from making that suggestion myself
Series 4 in my opinion isn't as good as any of Moffat's series and it's position amongst the RTD era is questionable.
Donna was one of my least favourite companions but at least she was better than series 2 Rose. I do think that Tennant cannot be underrated as a Doctor as he was on absolutely flying form in series 4 even though some of the writing did let him down and looking back, Journey's End is an abomination IMHO.
Still, it was a good series, the Library two-parter is probably my favourite RTD era two-parter, I really liked the Sontaran episodes and The Doctor's Daughter was a great ep, plus the opening 3 eps were all solid.
Yeah, she really was. She was that rarest of new Who creations: a real person.
If there is one thing Moffat really should take note of from series 4 is that Donna is mouthy and opinionated and often gets the oppourtunity to voice those opinions, and yet it is still written in a way where Donna isn't over focused on and we are in no doubt that at the end of the day the doctor is still in charge. In fact RTD proved with all his companions across all his series that you can have full, well rounded companions without having to overshadow the doctor.
I would hope that Moffat has more productive things to do than read these forums
Anyway even if your statement were true it was RTD's intention that there would be another big romance for the Doctor and his companion throughout series 4 and his plans were only changed when Catherine Tate agreed to come back.
I think Catherine Tate as Donna and the overall Series Arc is one of the reasons I rate this Series so highly and the last four episodes are amazing, even though not very popular on here. It's never been the same since since for me.
Amen!
(The leaf, the leaf is everything! Look at my leaf! LOL!
Well looking at another thread on here the 1st 20 posts about 80% say series 4
In fact my rankings would be:
1) Series 4
2) Series 1
3) Series 8 (Shaping up to be one of the best.)
4) Series 5
5) Series 6
6) Series 3
7) Series 7
8) Series 2 Although I enjoyed the series in parts, the only episodes I really enjoyed were Tooth and Claw and the finale.
But whether or not it was the best is very much down to personal opinion. Its my personal favourite season by a very wide margin, but I know there are plenty of forum members who can't stand it.