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Why are so many Radio 2 shows prerecorded?

BohochicBohochic Posts: 370
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I don't understand why a presenter can't pitch up for a couple of hours a week and present their show live, it spoils the experience for me knowing that while they're creating an intimate atmosphere between presenter and listener, they're probably off shopping or on a golf course somewhere!
Steve Wright on Sunday's, Elaine Paige, Paul O'Grady, Michael Ball, loads of others.
It's a shame I feel.
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    jjwalesjjwales Posts: 48,574
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    Bohochic wrote: »
    I don't understand why a presenter can't pitch up for a couple of hours a week and present their show live, it spoils the experience for me knowing that while they're creating an intimate atmosphere between presenter and listener, they're probably off shopping or on a golf course somewhere!
    Steve Wright on Sunday's, Elaine Paige, Paul O'Grady, Michael Ball, loads of others.
    It's a shame I feel.

    Agreed. Even worse when they sort of pretend it's live!
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    keicarkeicar Posts: 2,082
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    Bohochic wrote: »
    I don't understand why a presenter can't pitch up for a couple of hours a week and present their show live, it spoils the experience for me knowing that while they're creating an intimate atmosphere between presenter and listener, they're probably off shopping or on a golf course somewhere!
    Steve Wright on Sunday's, Elaine Paige, Paul O'Grady, Michael Ball, loads of others.
    It's a shame I feel.

    Totally agree, its not like they're paid peanuts to do the job.

    What makes it worse is the pretense that they are actually live, I wonder how many listeners of Paul O'Grady were surprised to hear last night that the show was recorded.
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    BohochicBohochic Posts: 370
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    They're badly edited too. When Sally Traffic comes on live to the Michael Ball show, she often has her last couple of words drowned out by a jingle, also there should be a bit of banter between them, she's great at that, but of course she doesn't even get a "thanks"
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    Toxteth O'GradyToxteth O'Grady Posts: 8,497
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    Bohochic wrote: »
    I don't understand why a presenter can't pitch up for a couple of hours a week and present their show live, it spoils the experience for me knowing that while they're creating an intimate atmosphere between presenter and listener, they're probably off shopping or on a golf course somewhere!
    Steve Wright on Sunday's, Elaine Paige, Paul O'Grady, Michael Ball, loads of others.
    It's a shame I feel.
    In the case of Steve Wright, he already does 5 days a week so more understandable.

    As for the others I don't really see a problem, why shouldn't music radio, especially specialist programmes like these be live? It's no any different to a TV programme or something on Radio 4 being recorded
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    ShrewnShrewn Posts: 6,855
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    keicar wrote: »
    Totally agree, its not like they're paid peanuts to do the job.

    What makes it worse is the pretense that they are actually live, I wonder how many listeners of Paul O'Grady were surprised to hear last night that the show was recorded.

    Paul is sometimes live. He invited texts when he is, he read out one of mine not so long back.

    I guess it depends on what else he has on
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    keicarkeicar Posts: 2,082
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    In the case of Steve Wright, he already does 5 days a week so more understandable.

    As for the others I don't really see a problem, why shouldn't music radio, especially specialist programmes like these be live? It's no any different to a TV programme or something on Radio 4 being recorded

    Along those why bother with any live radio at all then? One to one radio is different, more intimate and cannot be compared to TV in this respect, as the OP pointed out.
    Shrewn wrote: »
    I guess it depends on what else he has on

    Nice work if you can get it.
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    Toxteth O'GradyToxteth O'Grady Posts: 8,497
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    keicar wrote: »
    Along those why bother with any live radio at all then? One to one radio is different, more intimate and cannot be compared to TV in this respect, as the OP pointed out.
    Surely there's room for both though? As I say, no-one complains that lots of Radio 4 programmes are recorded even though many are just as 'one to one'
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    GraculusGraculus Posts: 220
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    Remember Jonathan Ross/Russell Brand? I think that partially answers the question, even though Michael Ball isn't likely to try the kind of stunt that JR/RB did.
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    RadiogramRadiogram Posts: 3,515
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    Graculus wrote: »
    Remember Jonathan Ross/Russell Brand? I think that partially answers the question, even though Michael Ball isn't likely to try the kind of stunt that JR/RB did.

    Seeing as the item you refer to was prerecorded then it won't have any bearing on the amount of prerecords.

    I can't imagine Michael Ball or Elaine Paige making dodgy phone calls to elderly sitcom stars.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 26
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    Graculus wrote: »
    Remember Jonathan Ross/Russell Brand? I think that partially answers the question, even though Michael Ball isn't likely to try the kind of stunt that JR/RB did.

    JR/RB were pre-recorded!
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    SpotSpot Posts: 25,126
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    Most of those mentioned aren't real 'radio people' - the ones that are will be much more likely to want to do the show live whenever possible. Those who are in 'showbiz' in a general sense rather than having radio in their blood will likely have other commitments which quite often clash - plus of-course some of them might not be too good at getting everything right on the first take and worry about having to talk to time etc.
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    keicarkeicar Posts: 2,082
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    Spot wrote: »
    Most of those mentioned aren't real 'radio people' - the ones that are will be much more likely to want to do the show live whenever possible. Those who are in 'showbiz' in a general sense rather than having radio in their blood will likely have other commitments which quite often clash - plus of-course some of them might not be too good at getting everything right on the first take and worry about having to talk to time etc.

    Another good excuse to get rid of such 'celeb' presenters and get real radio people who would also be a lot cheaper, cost cutting in action....
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    SpotSpot Posts: 25,126
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    keicar wrote: »
    Another good excuse to get rid of such 'celeb' presenters and get real radio people who would also be a lot cheaper, cost cutting in action....

    You make a very good point. :)
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    SteveBentleySteveBentley Posts: 2,003
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    Recorded programmes are actually more of a pain since the Brand/Ross incident, with more compliance paperwork needed, presumably on the grounds that it's hard to defend something inappropriate going out in a pre-rec, where the "it's live radio, these things occasionally happen" defence can't be used.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,366
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    keicar wrote: »
    Another good excuse to get rid of such 'celeb' presenters and get real radio people who would also be a lot cheaper, cost cutting in action....


    But real listeners like them, and if you want talent like them, you have to fit round their schedules. Radio 2 does have a slight showbiz factor.

    If these "celeb" presenters dropped off the schedule, listeners would not be at all pleased.

    These shows are also at the weekend, when people are more likely to tune in for them.

    Specious argument.
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    keicarkeicar Posts: 2,082
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    But real listeners like them, and if you want talent like them, you have to fit round their schedules. Radio 2 does have a slight showbiz factor.

    If these "celeb" presenters dropped off the schedule, listeners would not be at all pleased.

    These shows are also at the weekend, when people are more likely to tune in for them.

    Specious argument.

    Who are these 'real listeners' you talk of who like celeb presenters? Have you conducted a survey? Readers of the Daily Mail and Hello Magazine? Not all are fans of Norton, O'Grady etc

    Leave the celebs to the commercial sector, the licence payer shouldn't be paying inflated wages for a job they can't even be arsed to turn up and do.

    Your argument could also be just as specious.
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    Dr BobbinsDr Bobbins Posts: 324
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    keicar wrote: »
    Who are these 'real listeners' you talk of who like celeb presenters? Have you conducted a survey? Readers of the Daily Mail and Hello Magazine? Not all are fans of Norton, O'Grady etc

    It's called Rajar...
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    keicarkeicar Posts: 2,082
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    Dr Bobbins wrote: »
    It's called Rajar...

    That old chestnut! The BBC because 'of the unique way its funded' doesn't need to compete in the celeb sector.
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    FrankBTFrankBT Posts: 4,220
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    Bohochic wrote: »
    I don't understand why a presenter can't pitch up for a couple of hours a week and present their show live, it spoils the experience for me knowing that while they're creating an intimate atmosphere between presenter and listener, they're probably off shopping or on a golf course somewhere!
    Steve Wright on Sunday's, Elaine Paige, Paul O'Grady, Michael Ball, loads of others.
    It's a shame I feel.
    It's known as voice tracking, where a presenter records all their introductions/spiel to the pieces of music at home then sends them off to the studio where the engineers then links all of them to the relevant tracks to be played to make up the show. Apparently it saves money, and the presenter doesn't even have to get out of bed.

    I first became aware of this practice some years ago on Classic FM where all the weekend shows seem to be voice-tracked. The interesting thing is when a gremlin occurs which is not that uncommon, and there is no presenter at hand to cover or explain what's going on or apologise afterwards. The bottom line is most listeners don't seem to care anyway as the radio is just used as background noise.... as long as there's a celeb presenting.
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    BohochicBohochic Posts: 370
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    I find it really disappointing.
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    occyoccy Posts: 65,207
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    If you notice certain weeks Johnny walker won't do live shows like Paul does. It all depends on studio space as shows are possibly been recorded on a Sunday to make way for live shows during the week. Also studio computers need updating sometimes so the tech guys need time to do them.
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    RadiogramRadiogram Posts: 3,515
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    occy wrote: »
    If you notice certain weeks Johnny walker won't do live shows like Paul does. It all depends on studio space as shows are possibly been recorded on a Sunday to make way for live shows during the week. Also studio computers need updating sometimes so the tech guys need time to do them.

    I'm struggling to make sense of that but do you really think the BBC are short of space and that recording shows would help that?
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    ShrewnShrewn Posts: 6,855
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    It will be interesting to hear Sounds of the Sixties this weekend to see if there is a mention of Cilla's passing. I understood it that Brian will record a few weeks worth in one go.
    And no I don't begrudge him recording it
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    JELLIES0JELLIES0 Posts: 6,709
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    I imagine that as far as some of the celebrity DJs are concerned, if they make a complete hash of it, they can (and do) re-record the appropriate bits.
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    SevrinSevrin Posts: 381
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    Who are these "celeb" presenters?? Michael Ball is actually a very good broadcaster who was extremely comfortable doing a live show when he stood in for Ken Bruce. The same goes for Clare Teal who does her show live anyway. Johnnie Walker and Paul O'Grady sometimes do live shows. Elaine Paige's show is a prerecord but I think she is extremely professional at her job. A large amount of Steve Wright's show is prerecorded and he is an extremely experienced broadcaster, the same goes for Brian Matthews, Desmond Carrington and Jamie Cullum (who will do his show live when he can). It seems there are many people here who want to see people like Richard Allinson fill many slots but if you just fill the air with old jocks people will switch off
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