This is what people like you fail to see or understand.
The UK is not in the 70s anymore. This is 2015 and a whole generation are to the left on many social issues thesedays. People don't vote on being left or right. They vote on who they prefer at that moment in time.
So if Corbyn speaks and relates to people, they will back him. That is why his popularity has risen so fast in recent weeks.
This. Most people in the UK are at the centre with politics so will back who they feel most comfortable at that time. It took Cameron 10 years to win a majority of 12. If the UK was so right wing why did it take him so long and why so little seats? Blair won over 400 seats with unfair boundaries in 1997 so don't come back with that one.
On Andrew Marr now. I can see the appeal, he is totally genuine and could win a great deal of support beyond the labour ranks. I don't think the Labour Party has much to worry about his electability, he could do well!
This is what people like you fail to see or understand.
The UK is not in the 70s anymore. This is 2015 and a whole generation are to the left on many social issues thesedays. People don't vote on being left or right. They vote on who they prefer at that moment in time.
So if Corbyn speaks and relates to people, they will back him. That is why his popularity has risen so fast in recent weeks.
We will be lucky if Corbyn only takes us back as far as the 70s his ideas would take us back to the 1800s
Closet Socialist who has no idea of reality , that should ring a few bells with you
In over 150 years since Marx had his psychotic break and came up with his ridiculous ideas you would have thought that by now if they had had even a million to one chance of actually working at least one country would have successfully adopted his ideas
This is what people like you fail to see or understand.
The UK is not in the 70s anymore. This is 2015 and a whole generation are to the left on many social issues thesedays. People don't vote on being left or right. They vote on who they prefer at that moment in time.
So if Corbyn speaks and relates to people, they will back him. That is why his popularity has risen so fast in recent weeks.
Society may have drifted to the left on social issues but the country has gone the other way economically.
The lesson of the last 30 years is that small-l liberals won the social argument but the right won on economics.
On Andrew Marr now. I can see the appeal, he is totally genuine and could win a great deal of support beyond the labour ranks. I don't think the Labour Party has much to worry about his electability, he could do well!
He is only talking to the Labour ranks at the moment. Others are content to sit back and enjoy the spectacle of the Labour party in disarray. If he actually became leader, I can just imagine the fun his opponents would have adding up the true cost of his various proposals and pointing out how impractical many of them are.
I'm rather hoping it happens actually, as it would make politics very interesting over the next few years.
We will be lucky if Corbyn only takes us back as far as the 70s his ideas would take us back to the 1800s
There is an element of his past to consider, but it should not be the "be it and end all" of him as a leader. He wants to bring the low paid up to a living level and break this farce that the low paid should be grateful for surfdom-style austerity jobs, together with less or no in-work benefit support.
He seems to understand a growing economy works best with aspirations and incentives to better ones lot in life and therefore contribute to society.
He mentioned collecting tax from big business that is filtering out of the country and if we, the taxpayer has to support energy, water and transport industries, then why not "part own" these and reap the benefits, instead of only share-holders.
He seems okay to me.
He is only talking to the Labour ranks at the moment. Others are content to sit back and enjoy the spectacle of the Labour party in disarray. If he actually became leader, I can just imagine the fun his opponents would have adding up the true cost of his various proposals and pointing out how impractical many of them are.
I'm rather hoping it happens actually, as it would make politics very interesting over the next few years.
Its easy to preach to the converted its getting everyone else to believe thats the problem
I said weeks ago on here the Tories feared him and was laughed at. Today he has indicted he might vote to pull the UK out of Europe.
It gets better and better. The Tories are terrified of him winning.
(laughs)
... and best of all, to a man/woman they're all pretending that they're not in the least bit afraid and actually want him to win.
It really does require the mother of all conspiracy theories to go along with this one. If you want to know who IS afraid, check out the Guardian and theMirror.
There is an element of his past to consider, but it should not be the "be it and end all" of him as a leader. He wants to bring the low paid up to a living level and break this farce that the low paid should be grateful for surfdom-style austerity jobs, together with less or no in-work benefit support.
He seems to understand a growing economy works best with aspirations and incentives to better ones lot in life and therefore contribute to society.
He mentioned collecting tax from big business that is filtering out of the country and if we, the taxpayer has to support energy, water and transport industries, then why not "part own" these and reap the benefits, instead of only share-holders.
He seems okay to me.
We tried the idea of the country benefiting from nationalised energy water and energy companies but when they are run on state money they never seemed to generate profits for us to benefit from
We tried the idea of the country benefiting from nationalised energy water and energy companies but when they are run on state money they never seemed to generate profits for us to benefit from
From his A Marr interview, I understood to have part-shares, as oppose to nationalise 100%, similar to a bank bail-out scenario. These companies still rely/expect the taxpayer to fund infastructure, but with no gain for the taxpayer (I'm sure they use the "we keep prices low" excuse). He seems to be more thoughtful and transparent with his ideas.
From his A Marr interview, I understood to have part-shares, as oppose to nationalise 100%, similar to a bank bail-out scenario. These companies still rely/expect the taxpayer to fund infastructure, but with no gain for the taxpayer (I'm sure they use the "we keep prices low" excuse). He seems to be more thoughtful and transparent with his ideas.
And when we are already Billions in debt just where is the money coming from to buy this part share or is he doing a Gordon Brown and going further into debt to get out of debt
I'm not saying you're wrong with your facts but where is the source?
A Survey of the UK Benefits System. IFS Briefing Note BN 13
page 72 Appendix A. Table A.1 Spending on benefits in cash terms and real terms, real increases and spending as a share of GDP.
At the bottom of the table produced by the IFS they list the official government sources they used. http://www.ifs.org.uk/bns/bn13.pdf
Sorry for not providing a link in my original post but was posting using my first Tablet and have yet to figure out how to copy and paste links. By the way GreatGodPan if you read this I got a Tablet after you listed Tablets as one of the must have things according to advertising. Where capitalist advertising failed you succeeded.
John Mann MP, a supporter of democracy. Unless you happen to vote for the wrong person, now he wants the race to be suspended until Corbyn supporte... I mean, "hard-left activists" have been identified and expelled from voting.
No, Mr Mann. That is not how democracy works. In a healthy democracy, candidates put forward their case to the electorate as to why they should be elected and the electorate makes their choice by merit. What we should have is third parties deciding that people are going to vote wrong and that the election should be indefinitely delayed until wrongthink is corrected.
Mann is also the MP of a very staunch safe Labour voting, former mining area where there is a dislike of the Conservatives and probably a lot of support for Corbyn and his principles within the constituents who voted for him in May. He is in danger of placing a political noose around his neck nationally and locally.
He is only talking to the Labour ranks at the moment. Others are content to sit back and enjoy the spectacle of the Labour party in disarray. If he actually became leader, I can just imagine the fun his opponents would have adding up the true cost of his various proposals and pointing out how impractical many of them are.
I'm rather hoping it happens actually, as it would make politics very interesting over the next few years.
If he does win it will be the one of the most ridiculous political episodes ever given he was effectively levered in simply to make up the numbers by providing broad church debate. He wasn't supposed to be making this kind of impact and many elements of the current Labour hierarchy must be watching open mouthed as to what is unfolding here. Huge own goal for them in my opinion.
He is only talking to the Labour ranks at the moment. Others are content to sit back and enjoy the spectacle of the Labour party in disarray. If he actually became leader, I can just imagine the fun his opponents would have adding up the true cost of his various proposals and pointing out how impractical many of them are.
I'm rather hoping it happens actually, as it would make politics very interesting over the next few years.
More worryingly, if he actually became leader then who would sit in his shadow cabinet? Dennis Skinner obviously but not Kendall or Cooper. Who would enter and win the elections for shadow cabinet positions?
Closet Socialist who has no idea of reality , that should ring a few bells with you
In over 150 years since Marx had his psychotic break and came up with his ridiculous ideas you would have thought that by now if they had had even a million to one chance of actually working at least one country would have successfully adopted his ideas
You clearly have no knowledge of Marx, socialism or Corbyn.
The policies Corbyn has set out so far are nowhere near Marxist. They are Social democratic ideas.
More worryingly, if he actually became leader then who would sit in his shadow cabinet? Dennis Skinner obviously but not Kendall or Cooper. Who would enter and win the elections for shadow cabinet positions?
John Mann MP, a supporter of democracy. Unless you happen to vote for the wrong person, now he wants the race to be suspended until Corbyn supporte... I mean, "hard-left activists" have been identified and expelled from voting.
No, Mr Mann. That is not how democracy works. In a healthy democracy, candidates put forward their case to the electorate as to why they should be elected and the electorate makes their choice by merit. What we should have is third parties deciding that people are going to vote wrong and that the election should be indefinitely delayed until wrongthink is corrected.
Mann is also the MP of a very staunch safe Labour voting, former mining area where there is a dislike of the Conservatives and probably a lot of support for Corbyn and his principles within the constituents who voted for him in May. He is in danger of placing a political noose around his neck nationally and locally.
I cant pretend I read every article in every paper but that piece looks like its plucked straight from the 1980s. My word Labour is in for a rough ride with itself if Corbyn wins.
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Probably because there has been much in the way of anti-Corbyn news and mutterings in the past week.
Power to Citizen Corbyn!
This. Most people in the UK are at the centre with politics so will back who they feel most comfortable at that time. It took Cameron 10 years to win a majority of 12. If the UK was so right wing why did it take him so long and why so little seats? Blair won over 400 seats with unfair boundaries in 1997 so don't come back with that one.
We will be lucky if Corbyn only takes us back as far as the 70s his ideas would take us back to the 1800s
Why? Is he a closet Thatcherite?
Closet Socialist who has no idea of reality , that should ring a few bells with you
In over 150 years since Marx had his psychotic break and came up with his ridiculous ideas you would have thought that by now if they had had even a million to one chance of actually working at least one country would have successfully adopted his ideas
Society may have drifted to the left on social issues but the country has gone the other way economically.
The lesson of the last 30 years is that small-l liberals won the social argument but the right won on economics.
He is only talking to the Labour ranks at the moment. Others are content to sit back and enjoy the spectacle of the Labour party in disarray. If he actually became leader, I can just imagine the fun his opponents would have adding up the true cost of his various proposals and pointing out how impractical many of them are.
I'm rather hoping it happens actually, as it would make politics very interesting over the next few years.
There is an element of his past to consider, but it should not be the "be it and end all" of him as a leader. He wants to bring the low paid up to a living level and break this farce that the low paid should be grateful for surfdom-style austerity jobs, together with less or no in-work benefit support.
He seems to understand a growing economy works best with aspirations and incentives to better ones lot in life and therefore contribute to society.
He mentioned collecting tax from big business that is filtering out of the country and if we, the taxpayer has to support energy, water and transport industries, then why not "part own" these and reap the benefits, instead of only share-holders.
He seems okay to me.
Its easy to preach to the converted its getting everyone else to believe thats the problem
(laughs)
... and best of all, to a man/woman they're all pretending that they're not in the least bit afraid and actually want him to win.
It really does require the mother of all conspiracy theories to go along with this one. If you want to know who IS afraid, check out the Guardian and the Mirror.
We tried the idea of the country benefiting from nationalised energy water and energy companies but when they are run on state money they never seemed to generate profits for us to benefit from
From his A Marr interview, I understood to have part-shares, as oppose to nationalise 100%, similar to a bank bail-out scenario. These companies still rely/expect the taxpayer to fund infastructure, but with no gain for the taxpayer (I'm sure they use the "we keep prices low" excuse). He seems to be more thoughtful and transparent with his ideas.
And when we are already Billions in debt just where is the money coming from to buy this part share or is he doing a Gordon Brown and going further into debt to get out of debt
page 72 Appendix A. Table A.1 Spending on benefits in cash terms and real terms, real increases and spending as a share of GDP.
At the bottom of the table produced by the IFS they list the official government sources they used.
http://www.ifs.org.uk/bns/bn13.pdf
Sorry for not providing a link in my original post but was posting using my first Tablet and have yet to figure out how to copy and paste links. By the way GreatGodPan if you read this I got a Tablet after you listed Tablets as one of the must have things according to advertising. Where capitalist advertising failed you succeeded.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/labour-leadership-race-should-halted-6140226
No, Mr Mann. That is not how democracy works. In a healthy democracy, candidates put forward their case to the electorate as to why they should be elected and the electorate makes their choice by merit. What we should have is third parties deciding that people are going to vote wrong and that the election should be indefinitely delayed until wrongthink is corrected.
Mann is also the MP of a very staunch safe Labour voting, former mining area where there is a dislike of the Conservatives and probably a lot of support for Corbyn and his principles within the constituents who voted for him in May. He is in danger of placing a political noose around his neck nationally and locally.
If he does win it will be the one of the most ridiculous political episodes ever given he was effectively levered in simply to make up the numbers by providing broad church debate. He wasn't supposed to be making this kind of impact and many elements of the current Labour hierarchy must be watching open mouthed as to what is unfolding here. Huge own goal for them in my opinion.
More worryingly, if he actually became leader then who would sit in his shadow cabinet? Dennis Skinner obviously but not Kendall or Cooper. Who would enter and win the elections for shadow cabinet positions?
You clearly have no knowledge of Marx, socialism or Corbyn.
The policies Corbyn has set out so far are nowhere near Marxist. They are Social democratic ideas.
I have enough knowledge to know that it can never work and that if Corbyn ever got into Number 10 we would never recover from the damage he will cause
Flynn, Davies, Abbott, Meacher, McDonnell, Winnick ...
I cant pretend I read every article in every paper but that piece looks like its plucked straight from the 1980s. My word Labour is in for a rough ride with itself if Corbyn wins.