So - how many people die every day ?
Virgil Tracy
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so from the trailers for torchwood it seems that because no-one dies there's very quickly a massive over-population problem .
is this accurate ? I'd have thought it would take quite a while to have such an effect , but I don't really know the numbers .
so in reality how many people die each day on a global basis ?
is this accurate ? I'd have thought it would take quite a while to have such an effect , but I don't really know the numbers .
so in reality how many people die each day on a global basis ?
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That gives us 358,192 births and 154,889 deaths as a daily average."
The trailers had the population at around 6.7 billion going into 7 billion, so the plot must stretch out over a couple of years or they just didn't do the maths.
They had different figures in the show, but you're right. Even with the figures they used it would take longer than a few months for overpopulation to become a global problem. The difficulty with population figures though, is that you can't apply them equally to all areas of the planet.
While certain nations or regions have very slow population growth, others have very fast growth. Also, areas with high starting populations will, naturally, grow at a faster rate than places with low starting populations. That is to say, the cities, which already are operating at or near peak capicity in stocking food, supplying water and providing housing & services for their citizens will begin to feel the crunch long before their rural cousins out in the farming communities.
It might well be that certain areas could become so overpopulated that the available land could not produce enough food to sustain them, particularly if there happens to be a drought or natural disaster. In fact, that already happens in the world as we know it, from time to time.
It'd take a good while for the earth's population to reach
7 billion, as you said. And if no-one can die of starvation anymore, presumably famines won't be a problem either.
This is one of the things that I don't understand about the Miracle Day plot. They say there will be a massive population boom but, as you said above re. the famines, diseases, injuries, once death comes back they would finally take their toll on all the inflicted people and kill them. This would equal a massive instant decline in population and keep on doing so as eg. new deadly illnesses that have mutated or the amount of dead about would add to illness as well. How would people cope with that? Sorry, rather morbid thought.
I know I'm over thinking this but it's an interesting concept of a story. Whatever R.T.D. has come up with it'll be good, he always comes from such a unique view point.
yeah , i think that doctor said something like 300,000 die every day , and then bizarrely she added in the number that are born ...!
they'd be born anyway .
At that point, they'd moved over to measuring the daily population increase as a whole, rather than the delta.
That was my reading, anyhow...:)
Regards,
Cypher
So, we say that 100,000 are born everyday, and 300,000 die.
So, each day we have -200,000 people.
HOWEVER, if those 300,000 don't die, and 100,000 people are born, we have 400,000 people.
400,000 people of which 100,000 weren't there the day before, but are there the day after, and 300,000 people who shouldn't be there the day after.
Ergo, instead of decreasing by -200,000 each day, we actually get an EXTRA 400,000 who weren't/shouldn't be there the day after.
I think.
I do.
Rory?! :eek:
I think ~150,000 people die each day and about 350,000 people are born. Something like that.
no , it's the other way around . there are more born than die
http://www.worldometers.info/
Interesting site, not vouching for its accuracy though
Aah.
The numbers don't matter anyway, it was just an example.
*Thinks desperately of an excuse*
My example was set during a massive war when loads of people died....
daily births = 500,000
daily deaths = 300,000
So the increase due to no one dying (on top of the births) is 300,000 extra per day = 110 million per year (the normal population increase is 73m using these figures). I pondered it at the time because immediately after quoting the figures, Rhys said that it was nearly a million every three days (from no deaths) and then Gwen said to add to that 1 million in two days (from the births) plus the 'first million', so she was working out nthe total population increase. However, she didn't need to add on the 1 million every two days from the births to obtain the net increase due to the new situation as the boirths would have happened anyway (as stated above by Virgil).
So, from those figures then, it's an extra 110m per year. Using the above smaller number of 150,000 deaths per year would of course give a figure half of that.
Looking at population and freezing it to get an estimate, at 19 hours and 20 minutes there was the following for a day:
299,000 births
129,731 deaths
For argument's sake let's call it 24 hours for the math, remembering this is going to be far less than the actual amount
In 7 days
1,603,000 births
908,117 people not dying
In 30 days
6,870,000 births
3,891,930 people not dying
Multiply that by 4 months (assuming 30 days in a month), which they mentioned as the time period to society's collapse
27,480,000 births
15,567,720 people not dying
At the time I froze the clock, the population was 6,847,651,300
So in 4 months the population would be 6,890,699,020 - which doesn't sound like much, but then you consider the following:
Hospitals are now overflowing
People are panicking
People are still getting hurt/sick/maimed etc. Add in the panic and that number escalates.
One can no longer terminate pregnancies (adding to the birth rate)
It seems like it is only the beginning, and given human nature, people panic, they camp out in front of the hospital because of the miracle, they stop working because they're too busy trying to find a meaning to what happened and it starts to collapse.
A gross exaggeration perhaps, but it will be interesting to see where this goes.
42, the same answer as everything else.
No, but I know where it is.
Good, you should always know where your towel is.
And remember: Don't Panic.
I never panic because everyone I have ever met is mostly harmless.
Maybe there is another problem that would kick-in before the food runs out, and I'll be watching to see. Part 1 was meaningless fun, but it could get a lot darker if there are armies of un-dead wandering the streets in future episodes.
Fingers cross RTD has thought this through and a basic plot hole doesn't make the whole thing laughable.