Thinking about picking up the S1-6 box but as my main reason for enjoying S1 and S2 was the peerless Mandy Patinkin I’m concerned that I may hate subsequent seasons as I found most of the other main characters to be less believable than him and Garcia I would happily see killed off. I’ve like Mantegna in other things but he’s never struck me as an actor that effortlessly conveys intelligence so that’s another worry for me.
Anyone able to give an objective assesment of S3-6 bearing in mind my above worries?
I didn't really like Gideon as a character that much so much prefered Rossi....
Seasons 3 to 5 are good, containing some fantastic episodes and not too much filler. There is a story arc to rival The Evolution of Frank - if not far excede it - through the second half of 4 and first half of 5.
There is a lot of Hotch IIRC so if you aren't a fan, might not be for you. BUT there are also some cracking stories regardless of who is on the team.
Season six is a lot more hit and miss. Some good, some different and some pretty poor. And a LOT more Garcia. I used to like Garcia and even I found it a bit much at times.
Season seven.......hanging on by the skin of its teeth......
I thought I preferred Gideon too but Rossi's a decent replacement. I loved Garcia's character for the first few seasons as she seemed more 'real' than the rest but Morgan's constant "baby girl" references are getting tedious and come across as pitying her rather than it being banter. I'd reckon that she probably gets more fan mail than any others on that show though and that includes the delicious Shemar!
just watched Friday's episode - was interesting seeing Morgan trying to interact with the rescued boy but no profiling of the perp at all and no sort of explanation offered for his behaviour at all. it wasn't a who dunnit or why dunnit , we knew who it was , they just had to rescue the second child in time - the end.very poor. shame because i do like this programme - the only one i watch that i sometimes have to turn sound down and lights on, as i don't watch horror films at all. but i agree with earlier posts that is becoming too boring and predicatable now. would at least like them to delve into why perps do what they do (not that these actions can be excused but maybe understood a little).
What a rollercoaster. Not this week's episode but the series overall. After last weeks much improved offering we have the abysmal mess that was Heathridge Manor.
I was suprised to find out that MGG directed this as he has directed episodes in the past and they have been excellent. Obviously Gothic Horror is not his forte. He wasn't alone though - it didn't seem to be anyone's forte from set design to script to supporting cast. An absolute criminal waste of Robert Englund too - a could be anyone detective with no personality.
Again, no profiling as such and obvious leads ignored or belatedly followed up. The stressor that lead to the killings occuring months before? Basic biology ignored. And just plain messy.
Did laugh when Hotch threw the guy down the well. Don't mess with Hotcher!! Deadlier without a gun!
Meh, Close to the end of the season so I'll probably see it out. But there is so much good TV at the moment I doubt I'll make room next season.
I think I might have to take back what I said about seeing the season out:(
After a promising first ten minutes, this weeks episode 'The Company' descended into a worse mess than last week. Implausable, devoid of any trace of dramatic tension, incoherant and again with hardly any profiling.
The supporting cast was better than has become the norm for CM of late and there was plenty of Shemar, but that is about the most positive thing I can say about it.
I've dropped other shows for less so I think sadly it is time to say good bye to Criminal Minds. I just don't enjoy it any more. Such a shame:(
I think I might have to take back what I said about seeing the season out:(
...Implausable...
If you mean the kidnapping / slavery / company angle then not that implausible - It's based on the case of Colleen Stan.
I find it a bit disturbing when they draw so heavily on a real life case as background in these types of programs, the material is beak enough when you think it's fiction
If you mean the kidnapping / slavery / company angle then not that implausible - It's based on the case of Colleen Stan.
I find it a bit disturbing when they draw so heavily on a real life case as background in these types of programs, the material is beak enough when you think it's fiction
More the little things, like why didn't they check who had bought the gun eight years ago? Are we to believe the original police wouldn't have checked a gun's provinance even if used in a suicide? Morgan being allowed anywhere near the case. The food - they both remember the meatballs from 25 years ago? Enough that she'd rely on it? Why run if she is going to say she hasn't been kidnapped and there is no evidence to link him to the murder. How come suddenly at the end there is now enough evidence to arrest him for the murder? I could go on and on (and on:D)
While the case itself is plausible - as evidence by your link (I was vagualy familiar with the case but couldn't remember her name so thanks for the link:)) - the 'rescue' wasn't.
IMO of course:D
I don't begrudge anyone enjoying CM season 7 - I'm liking Grimm at the moment and I know that isn't everyone's cup of tea, same for Spartacus Vengance - my favourite show this year. But I sit here picking fault for the most part and end up dissapointed so I really think its time for me to bail:(
More the little things, like why didn't they check who had bought the gun eight years ago? Are we to believe the original police wouldn't have checked a gun's provinance even if used in a suicide? Morgan being allowed anywhere near the case. The food - they both remember the meatballs from 25 years ago? Enough that she'd rely on it? Why run if she is going to say she hasn't been kidnapped and there is no evidence to link him to the murder. How come suddenly at the end there is now enough evidence to arrest him for the murder? I could go on and on (and on:D)
While the case itself is plausible - as evidence by your link (I was vagualy familiar with the case but couldn't remember her name so thanks for the link:)) - the 'rescue' wasn't.
IMO of course:D
I don't begrudge anyone enjoying CM season 7 - I'm liking Grimm at the moment and I know that isn't everyone's cup of tea, same for Spartacus Vengance - my favourite show this year. But I sit here picking fault for the most part and end up dissapointed so I really think its time for me to bail:(
Gotcha, I'd forgotten about the gun that did pee me off a bit. Even if the police didn't care at the time, surely Morgan would have before now
It feels sometimes that there just not trying anymore. Maybe the series has run its course, they've covered all the main characters stories at this point. Twice over in some cases.
I really love the series and still watch my favorite episode every so often. Mainly from the gideon era. They survived the departure of their main character but my view is that season 7 is so disjointed is that possibly they set up season 6 to lead somewhere and then had to scrap it to welcome back JJ and Prentiss. Though I dont even recognise JJ this season.
I know I said I wasn't watching anymore.........:o
But, I'm glad I gave it another go.
This was Old School Criminal Minds - profiling, tension, 'whodunnit' and why the heck had he done it. Even main characters in peril:eek: Well, a teeny bit (the car chase/crash)
Garcia being Garcia with her magical information system, Reid being the cute but slightly annoying genius, Rossi all heart and experience, Hotch all masterful and quietly leading, Prentis with a touch of comedy and Shemar looking hot as ever:D
Seriously - it was like they found a script from season 4 down the back of the sofa:D Except JJ - I really miss JJ being the liaison but she was lightly used as a profiler, which I think is better than over used.
Down side - wasn't keen on the final scene but I think it is a matter of taste. I just didn't think it needed an extra coda. Others could validly disagree.
What has happened to the new episodes? They have gone back on Fridays to beginning, does anyone know why, thanks
You mean in the UK?
The UK follows the US schedule but 9 days behind. For various reasons there are gaps between episodes in the US so we get gaps here in the UK. So theoretically, UK should get this latest episode next Friday.
I think the UK pace thread has got the UK schedule for the last few episodes
The UK follows the US schedule but 9 days behind. For various reasons there are gaps between episodes in the US so we get gaps here in the UK. So theoretically, UK should get this latest episode next Friday.
I think the UK pace thread has got the UK schedule for the last few episodes
I've no time for Mandy Patinkin after the way he behaved on CM. It sours his old episodes for me and I much prefer Rossi anyway. Criminal Minds is still up there with my favourite shows and I love the current cast. I've liked Thomas Gibson since Chicago Hope and Dharma and Greg and I'm probably one of the few who liked Garcia. I like that fact that not being a profiler, she is still able to react to the cases in a more human way than the others. I will be sorry to see Prentis leave again and hope that they don't replace her. It is better than trying to get used to someone new.
well bit hit and miss this series but loved the finale, didnt ring true JJ being able to take out an assassin, her only having some martial arts training from derek but i wont let that spoil the ep for me - added bonus Will was in it i love him and his accent:D
Lol, there were lots of little things that were a bit off - not just JJ's mad keen ninja skills:D BUT I am more than able to over look them as it was tense, exciting, twisty, real suspense. Using Will as the hostage was clever as he is expendable so he could have met a grisly end.
Criminal Minds certainly saved the best 'til last - the last four episodes (Hit & Miss being two) have been back on form. Profiling 101 made me laugh with the make up that mad Joe M look like a badly prepared corpse at a undertakers:D But the episode wasn't bad at all.
I will tune in for season 8 based on the last four eps (so glad I gave it one 'final' chance three weeks back!!!) I just hope it is more consistant that season 7 and they go back to 'old school' CM with less of this following the killer.
well bit hit and miss this series but loved the finale, didnt ring true JJ being able to take out an assassin, her only having some martial arts training from derek but i wont let that spoil the ep for me - added bonus Will was in it i love him and his accent:D
I think JJ would know enough martial arts to take on the assassin, plus said assassin is threatening her child and shot his father.
Loved JJ having to be physically held back when Will went in the bank. The JJ/Will story was a real reversal of typical male/female roles.
I liked how Emily's storyline was wrapped up, it rang very true. (well except for someone in Interpol taking time to offer a job before getting info on someone who is holding hostages). Trying to go back to her old life but not being able to worked well.
I have one major problem, how can everyone but Morgan and Reid get dates?!! I mean their both really hot, one's a genius, the other is smooth as satin. They would have women queueing up. So it's either the most unvelievable character point in TV drama history, or they're doing each other.
Loved Reid, Garcia, Kevin and his date dressed up as The Doctor and Amy.
I think JJ would know enough martial arts to take on the assassin, plus said assassin is threatening her child and shot his father.
Loved JJ having to be physically held back when Will went in the bank. The JJ/Will story was a real reversal of typical male/female roles.
I liked how Emily's storyline was wrapped up, it rang very true. (well except for someone in Interpol taking time to offer a job before getting info on someone who is holding hostages). Trying to go back to her old life but not being able to worked well.
I have one major problem, how can everyone but Morgan and Reid get dates?!! I mean their both really hot, one's a genius, the other is smooth as satin. They would have women queueing up. So it's either the most unvelievable character point in TV drama history, or they're doing each other.
Loved Reid, Garcia, Kevin and his date dressed up as The Doctor and Amy.
we will have to disagree about jj and the martial arts as the assassin supposedly had years and years of experience up until two years ago jj was a media person only within the team she only became a field agent from season 5 i think.
anyhow can soomeone answer a question for me when did garcia and kevin break up am wondering if i missed an episode cant remember any talk about them being apart just they were in this ep?
we will have to disagree about jj and the martial arts as the assassin supposedly had years and years of experience up until two years ago jj was a media person only within the team she only became a field agent from season 5 i think.
anyhow can soomeone answer a question for me when did garcia and kevin break up am wondering if i missed an episode cant remember any talk about them being apart just they were in this ep?
I can't remember which episode but Kevin spent the whole episode trying to get Morgan to help him propose. Garcia guessed what he was upto and when it came to the proposal she turned him down so he dumped her.
I can't remember which episode but Kevin spent the whole episode trying to get Morgan to help him propose. Garcia guessed what he was upto and when it came to the proposal she turned him down so he dumped her.
yeah i saw that ep cant remember him dumping her selective memory
we will have to disagree about jj and the martial arts as the assassin supposedly had years and years of experience up until two years ago jj was a media person only within the team she only became a field agent from season 5 i think.
JJ was always a Special Agent, but she was never a profiler until this series. She specialised in the communications side, and deciding which cases to take, but she was always an agent.
There's actually no canon to back up either point of view, we've never seen JJ uses those skills before, but there's also nothing to suggest she doesn't have them.
JJ was always a Special Agent, but she was never a profiler until this series. She specialised in the communications side, and deciding which cases to take, but she was always an agent.
There's actually no canon to back up either point of view, we've never seen JJ uses those skills before, but there's also nothing to suggest she doesn't have them.
when she was taking her exam to be an official field agent she mentioned she had been training with derek but that was the start of season 6 or 7 cant remember, who cares it is just tv made for good viewing anyhow
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I didn't really like Gideon as a character that much so much prefered Rossi....
Seasons 3 to 5 are good, containing some fantastic episodes and not too much filler. There is a story arc to rival The Evolution of Frank - if not far excede it - through the second half of 4 and first half of 5.
There is a lot of Hotch IIRC so if you aren't a fan, might not be for you. BUT there are also some cracking stories regardless of who is on the team.
Season six is a lot more hit and miss. Some good, some different and some pretty poor. And a LOT more Garcia. I used to like Garcia and even I found it a bit much at times.
Season seven.......hanging on by the skin of its teeth......
I was suprised to find out that MGG directed this as he has directed episodes in the past and they have been excellent. Obviously Gothic Horror is not his forte. He wasn't alone though - it didn't seem to be anyone's forte from set design to script to supporting cast. An absolute criminal waste of Robert Englund too - a could be anyone detective with no personality.
Again, no profiling as such and obvious leads ignored or belatedly followed up. The stressor that lead to the killings occuring months before? Basic biology ignored. And just plain messy.
Did laugh when Hotch threw the guy down the well. Don't mess with Hotcher!! Deadlier without a gun!
Meh, Close to the end of the season so I'll probably see it out. But there is so much good TV at the moment I doubt I'll make room next season.
After a promising first ten minutes, this weeks episode 'The Company' descended into a worse mess than last week. Implausable, devoid of any trace of dramatic tension, incoherant and again with hardly any profiling.
The supporting cast was better than has become the norm for CM of late and there was plenty of Shemar, but that is about the most positive thing I can say about it.
I've dropped other shows for less so I think sadly it is time to say good bye to Criminal Minds. I just don't enjoy it any more. Such a shame:(
If you mean the kidnapping / slavery / company angle then not that implausible - It's based on the case of Colleen Stan.
I find it a bit disturbing when they draw so heavily on a real life case as background in these types of programs, the material is beak enough when you think it's fiction
More the little things, like why didn't they check who had bought the gun eight years ago? Are we to believe the original police wouldn't have checked a gun's provinance even if used in a suicide? Morgan being allowed anywhere near the case. The food - they both remember the meatballs from 25 years ago? Enough that she'd rely on it? Why run if she is going to say she hasn't been kidnapped and there is no evidence to link him to the murder. How come suddenly at the end there is now enough evidence to arrest him for the murder? I could go on and on (and on:D)
While the case itself is plausible - as evidence by your link (I was vagualy familiar with the case but couldn't remember her name so thanks for the link:)) - the 'rescue' wasn't.
IMO of course:D
I don't begrudge anyone enjoying CM season 7 - I'm liking Grimm at the moment and I know that isn't everyone's cup of tea, same for Spartacus Vengance - my favourite show this year. But I sit here picking fault for the most part and end up dissapointed so I really think its time for me to bail:(
Gotcha, I'd forgotten about the gun that did pee me off a bit. Even if the police didn't care at the time, surely Morgan would have before now
I really love the series and still watch my favorite episode every so often. Mainly from the gideon era. They survived the departure of their main character but my view is that season 7 is so disjointed is that possibly they set up season 6 to lead somewhere and then had to scrap it to welcome back JJ and Prentiss. Though I dont even recognise JJ this season.
But, I'm glad I gave it another go.
This was Old School Criminal Minds - profiling, tension, 'whodunnit' and why the heck had he done it. Even main characters in peril:eek: Well, a teeny bit (the car chase/crash)
Garcia being Garcia with her magical information system, Reid being the cute but slightly annoying genius, Rossi all heart and experience, Hotch all masterful and quietly leading, Prentis with a touch of comedy and Shemar looking hot as ever:D
Seriously - it was like they found a script from season 4 down the back of the sofa:D Except JJ - I really miss JJ being the liaison but she was lightly used as a profiler, which I think is better than over used.
Down side - wasn't keen on the final scene but I think it is a matter of taste. I just didn't think it needed an extra coda. Others could validly disagree.
If they keep this standard I may stick with it:D
You mean in the UK?
The UK follows the US schedule but 9 days behind. For various reasons there are gaps between episodes in the US so we get gaps here in the UK. So theoretically, UK should get this latest episode next Friday.
I think the UK pace thread has got the UK schedule for the last few episodes
ETA: Yep - http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showpost.php?p=57950674&postcount=109
Oh I see,
Criminal Minds certainly saved the best 'til last - the last four episodes (Hit & Miss being two) have been back on form. Profiling 101 made me laugh with the make up that mad Joe M look like a badly prepared corpse at a undertakers:D But the episode wasn't bad at all.
I will tune in for season 8 based on the last four eps (so glad I gave it one 'final' chance three weeks back!!!) I just hope it is more consistant that season 7 and they go back to 'old school' CM with less of this following the killer.
I think JJ would know enough martial arts to take on the assassin, plus said assassin is threatening her child and shot his father.
Loved JJ having to be physically held back when Will went in the bank. The JJ/Will story was a real reversal of typical male/female roles.
I liked how Emily's storyline was wrapped up, it rang very true. (well except for someone in Interpol taking time to offer a job before getting info on someone who is holding hostages). Trying to go back to her old life but not being able to worked well.
I have one major problem, how can everyone but Morgan and Reid get dates?!! I mean their both really hot, one's a genius, the other is smooth as satin. They would have women queueing up. So it's either the most unvelievable character point in TV drama history, or they're doing each other.
Loved Reid, Garcia, Kevin and his date dressed up as The Doctor and Amy.
we will have to disagree about jj and the martial arts as the assassin supposedly had years and years of experience up until two years ago jj was a media person only within the team she only became a field agent from season 5 i think.
anyhow can soomeone answer a question for me when did garcia and kevin break up am wondering if i missed an episode cant remember any talk about them being apart just they were in this ep?
I can't remember which episode but Kevin spent the whole episode trying to get Morgan to help him propose. Garcia guessed what he was upto and when it came to the proposal she turned him down so he dumped her.
yeah i saw that ep cant remember him dumping her selective memory
It was a bit ambiguous - at the time I thought he was just having a man strop.
JJ was always a Special Agent, but she was never a profiler until this series. She specialised in the communications side, and deciding which cases to take, but she was always an agent.
There's actually no canon to back up either point of view, we've never seen JJ uses those skills before, but there's also nothing to suggest she doesn't have them.
when she was taking her exam to be an official field agent she mentioned she had been training with derek but that was the start of season 6 or 7 cant remember, who cares it is just tv made for good viewing anyhow