although it doesn't indicate why the discrimination was taking place
i.e. it's quite possible that it's cultural differences that some employers are wary of rather than skin colour. although it says that the applications indicated that all candidates where born and raised in the UK, that doesn't mean they where raised within what the employers might regard as a traditional UK culture.
another success for 'multi culturalism'
I think it's a lot more to do with a fear of not pronouncing a name correctly, which some (mistakenly) believe may create a situation they don't want to end up in.
There was definitely a difference in attitudes toward my old surname and my new surname. Even among those who knew me under my old surname for years.
The 'foreignness' of my old surname seemed to create some kind of a mental block for some, which resulted with treating me as a 'foreigner', although I was born and raised in this country.
Ah, good, I was going to try and dig that out but only had a vague memory of it!
Yeah, in some situations it definitely makes sense. All initial CV sorting should be done blind, without any personal info, I think.
They do that in public service jobs where personal details are withheld from those short-listing applications. But they can sometimes guess at the age of an applicant by the year exams were sat.
Probably the opposite:
After 15 years in recruitment, Alison Andrews, who runs an agency for temporary staff in Somerset, has some strong views on UK workers.
"I don't take the British applications very seriously, to be honest,"
Probably the opposite:
After 15 years in recruitment, Alison Andrews, who runs an agency for temporary staff in Somerset, has some strong views on UK workers.
"I don't take the British applications very seriously, to be honest,"
Just wanted to know other peoples opinions on this .
A male family member wants to change his foreign surname to give him a better chance of finding work here. He is british born,british looking, middle aged,hasn't worked in 6 yrs and has to live with parents due to lack of money.
He believes this is partly due to his foreign surname and believes that employers take one look at his foreign surname and just ignore him. Do you think this is really happening in this country?
His dad says if he changes his surname to something more 'english' it may actually disadvantage him as he believes a lot of employers prefer foreign workers. I don't know what to think but if he does change his name WW3 might happen here =/
Do you think its any of his dads business if he does change his name? Just we've had heated row after row about it.
Anyway, just wanted peoples opinions =/
BIB no i don't.......unless you read the red top rag mags.
I assume he's over the age of 18 so actually it's nobody else's business except his though i can understand it could upset other members of your family.
I thought everybody in the world now had British names. Every time I get a cold call from someone in Delhi, they're nearly always called something like George, Michael or Andrew
I thought everybody in the world now had British names. Every time I get a cold call from someone in Delhi, they're nearly always called something like George, Michael or Andrew
Was watching summat on telly the other night and was trying to remember where I'd seen one of the actors before.
Eventually, after a bit of IMDB-ing, I realised it was the fella who used to play "Dr Bashir" in Star Trek DS9.
Only thing is, his name used to be Sadiq al Tahir but now he seems to have decided to Anglicise it as "Alex Siddig".
Kinda disappointing when even relatively famous actors feel compelled to get rid of "muslamic" names.
Actually, I've got a foreign name (through marriage) and I've never had any trouble getting jobs. I always thought the name was a bonus and I wondered if employers felt they were employing someone from an ethnic minority and therefore they couldn't be accused of being racists - although that's just a guess, but anyway I usually got whatever job I went for.
However, if the OP feels his name is holding him back from getting a job then just change it and see what happens.
Was watching summat on telly the other night and was trying to remember where I'd seen one of the actors before.
Eventually, after a bit of IMDB-ing, I realised it was the fella who used to play "Dr Bashir" in Star Trek DS9.
Only thing is, his name used to be Sadiq al Tahir but now he seems to have decided to Anglicise it as "Alex Siddig".
Kinda disappointing when even relatively famous actors feel compelled to get rid of "muslamic" names.
He actually changed it halfway through DS9 - about series 4, I think. It is a shame, though.
(Also apparently his birth name is Siddig El Tahir El Fadil El Siddig Abderahman Mohammed Ahmed Abdel Karim El Mahdi, which is AWESOME. But problematic on forms, I imagine.)
Kinda disappointing when even relatively famous actors feel compelled to get rid of "muslamic" names.
Not just "muslamic" names, to be fair. It was - and still is? - a tradition for actors and others to discard their 'ethnic' or 'unpronounceable' names for something Anglicised or simple. Here are some of old favourite 'did you know their real name?' choices:
Allen Konigsberg = Woody Allen
Ilyena Mironov = Helen Mirren
Jennifer Anastassakis = Jennifer Aniston
Issur Danielovitch = Kirk Douglas
Maurice Micklewhite = Michael Caine
Demetria Guynes = Demi Moore
Lee Yuen Kam = Bruce Lee
Ramon Estevez = Martin Sheen
Eric Banadinovich = Eric Bana
Winona Horowitz = Winona Ryder
Jean-Claude Van Varenberg = Jean-Claude Van Damme
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I think it's a lot more to do with a fear of not pronouncing a name correctly, which some (mistakenly) believe may create a situation they don't want to end up in.
There was definitely a difference in attitudes toward my old surname and my new surname. Even among those who knew me under my old surname for years.
The 'foreignness' of my old surname seemed to create some kind of a mental block for some, which resulted with treating me as a 'foreigner', although I was born and raised in this country.
They do that in public service jobs where personal details are withheld from those short-listing applications. But they can sometimes guess at the age of an applicant by the year exams were sat.
It worked! They never had to sign on again!
Their Russian Cousins were not so lucky.
what's in your SKILL SET more like!!!
After 15 years in recruitment, Alison Andrews, who runs an agency for temporary staff in Somerset, has some strong views on UK workers.
"I don't take the British applications very seriously, to be honest,"
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/jun/21/job-agencies-prefer-foreign-workers
I assume he's over the age of 18 so actually it's nobody else's business except his though i can understand it could upset other members of your family.
Mr Doobie.
I was joking.
Not Ridgeley?
Was watching summat on telly the other night and was trying to remember where I'd seen one of the actors before.
Eventually, after a bit of IMDB-ing, I realised it was the fella who used to play "Dr Bashir" in Star Trek DS9.
Only thing is, his name used to be Sadiq al Tahir but now he seems to have decided to Anglicise it as "Alex Siddig".
Kinda disappointing when even relatively famous actors feel compelled to get rid of "muslamic" names.
Who'd take a cowboy called Marion seriously unless it was Carry on Camping, Cowboy.
Actually, I've got a foreign name (through marriage) and I've never had any trouble getting jobs. I always thought the name was a bonus and I wondered if employers felt they were employing someone from an ethnic minority and therefore they couldn't be accused of being racists - although that's just a guess, but anyway I usually got whatever job I went for.
However, if the OP feels his name is holding him back from getting a job then just change it and see what happens.
Well it's not an Asian sounding name but it is from over that way. Most people when they see it think its Italian but its not.
His skills list is pretty low tbh.
As for keeping the name for next generation, he's told dad that he doesn't want kids.
Personaly I don't see a problem with it.
I think where the dad is against it, its more of a pride thing tbh =/
(Also apparently his birth name is Siddig El Tahir El Fadil El Siddig Abderahman Mohammed Ahmed Abdel Karim El Mahdi, which is AWESOME. But problematic on forms, I imagine.)
Not just "muslamic" names, to be fair. It was - and still is? - a tradition for actors and others to discard their 'ethnic' or 'unpronounceable' names for something Anglicised or simple. Here are some of old favourite 'did you know their real name?' choices:
Allen Konigsberg = Woody Allen
Ilyena Mironov = Helen Mirren
Jennifer Anastassakis = Jennifer Aniston
Issur Danielovitch = Kirk Douglas
Maurice Micklewhite = Michael Caine
Demetria Guynes = Demi Moore
Lee Yuen Kam = Bruce Lee
Ramon Estevez = Martin Sheen
Eric Banadinovich = Eric Bana
Winona Horowitz = Winona Ryder
Jean-Claude Van Varenberg = Jean-Claude Van Damme