We're sleepwalking into a massive problem here. It's reinforced by the isolation some young Muslims are feeling too.
The only way to solve these things are by proper integration. However, I don't think that's likely and the fault is mainly of the side of the Muslim families IMO.
I see the BBC is still peddling it's misrepresentation of the results of this poll on the national 6 o'clock news.
It's well and trulley been caught with it's trousers down on this one and is getting desperate. There's really nothing you can say to disguise the reality of the opinions of a significant minority. There's no way anyone can continue the "small/insignifacant minority" argument after this, although I'm sure we'll see them try.
I'm quite sure there a some muslims who don't hold such abhorent views in the UK. However pretending that the great majority don't does them a great diservice and does nothing to help change.
We're sleepwalking into a massive problem here. It's reinforced by the isolation some young Muslims are feeling too.
The only way to solve these things are by proper integration. However, I don't think that's likely and the fault is mainly of the side of the Muslim families IMO.
Other communities seem to have integrated well here. So I think you are right.
All our problems all seem to stem from this one intolerant religion. And wherever you find this religion around the world, there always seems to be some sort of conflict.
Other communities seem to have integrated well here. So I think you are right.
All our problems all seem to stem from this one intolerant religion. And wherever you find this religion around the world, there always seems to be some sort of conflict.
We keep getting told to think of muslim sensibility but you never hear of muslims been told to think of non muslim sensibility.>:(
The results when extrapolated across the Muslim community, leaves me worrying - even if you are going to argue over factors related to complicated thought-processes that led to a particular answer.
I know there are good decent Muslims wanting to lead peaceful lives in the UK. And I welcome them here.
However, with an increasing Muslim population in the UK, I can only foresee increasing deadly violence from a small minority of Muslims, increasing pressure to curtail our freedom of speech, and eventually, pressure to have Sharia law.
I really don't want the UK to go this way, but I fear that if we ignore this issue now, it will.
Not it won't. It'll only go so far before many of the rest of the population start getting nasty themselves. What I fear is that things could get unpleasant for the wrong Muslims - as is often the case with retaliation type events. The innocent suffer for the wrongdoing of the guilty.
Not it won't. It'll only go so far before many of the rest of the population start getting nasty themselves. What I fear is that things could get unpleasant for the wrong Muslims - as is often the case with retaliation type events. The innocent suffer for the wrongdoing of the guilty.
If we went down this path, I wouldn't want to see any of the peaceful 'wrong Muslims' getting hurt either.
I suspect if we don't do anything now, then clashes most likely will happen sooner or later.
However, considering the birth rates of the Muslim community compared to ours, it could be a case that they win due to sheer numbers in the long run.
So, for both of these reasons, we need to do something about this intolerant religion now.
That’s still missing the point. Even if someone says “sometimes loyal, sometimes disloyal” that should form a separate category, not be double counted to both individual loyal/disloyal totals.
Assuming that’s what they’ve done rather than just being incompetent and unable to add up to 100%
They were separate questions, therefore any of my examples can apply.
Well I've only ever hated a 1/4 of Muslims anyway. So it evens itself out really.
:D:D:D
Only a quarter.
That would make you a traitorous apologist, then.
Everyone knows you have to hate all of them and repress them whenever possible. ;-)
Not it won't. It'll only go so far before many of the rest of the population start getting nasty themselves. What I fear is that things could get unpleasant for the wrong Muslims - as is often the case with retaliation type events. The innocent suffer for the wrongdoing of the guilty.
Aardman Animations should do a public information film. Should save anyone making that mistake.
3) Advertising campaign about the dangers of religion.
4) Schools to teach the dangers of religion.
5) State funded deprogramming clinics for people wanting to leave their faiths
6) No more religious buildings allowed to be built.
7) Ban the Burqa in public places.
8) No religious symbols in schools.
I like the idea of an advertising campaign to warn of the dangers of cults and religions (number 4).
I have the impression that there is already help for people wanting to leave the Muslim faith considering the apostasy law. I think the apostasy law usually results in dis-ownment from the family in the UK. I'm sure someone will be along to correct me on this if I am wrong. (number 5)
So, I agree with your list. I think it looks sensible.
I agree with him - I was shocked when I heard the BBC this morning. I kept thinking... 'why are they downplaying the number who thought that those who thought there could be justification for violence..
I am not sure the questions were particularly well phrased though - "I have some sympathy with the motives behind..." seems very woolly and could be interpreted as 'I don't like people insulting the Prophet either' rather than 'they were right to kill them'. A poor job on the questions I think.
That aside, the numbers are very worrying and the BBC need to be taken to task about the ridiculous way they 'looked on the bright side' of some very dark data.
I like the idea of an advertising campaign to warn of the dangers of cults and religions (number 4).
I have the impression that there is already help for people wanting to leave the Muslim faith considering the apostasy law. I think the apostasy law usually results in dis-ownment from the family in the UK. I'm sure someone will be along to correct me on this if I am wrong. (number 5)
So, I agree with your list. I think it looks sensible.
I'd add the option mentioned earlier: financial incentives to relocate. According to the BBC's now infamous poll 14% said "If I could I would leave Britain and go and live in another country". That's over 400,000 gone right there.
I like the idea of an advertising campaign to warn of the dangers of cults and religions (number 4).
I have the impression that there is already help for people wanting to leave the Muslim faith considering the apostasy law. I think the apostasy law usually results in dis-ownment from the family in the UK. I'm sure someone will be along to correct me on this if I am wrong. (number 5)
So, I agree with your list. I think it looks sensible.
Thanks Oxy.
Maybe I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. ;-)
I'd add the option mentioned earlier: financial incentives to relocate. According to the BBC's now infamous poll 14% said "If I could I would leave Britain and go and live in another country". That's over 400,000 gone right there.
15 year old school kids can relocate without any financial incentive.
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I think they may either try to pull it apart to discredit it, or probably just ignore it entirely.
The only way to solve these things are by proper integration. However, I don't think that's likely and the fault is mainly of the side of the Muslim families IMO.
1,000 is a big enough number to be accurate within +/- 3% if you polled 3 mill.
It's well and trulley been caught with it's trousers down on this one and is getting desperate. There's really nothing you can say to disguise the reality of the opinions of a significant minority. There's no way anyone can continue the "small/insignifacant minority" argument after this, although I'm sure we'll see them try.
I'm quite sure there a some muslims who don't hold such abhorent views in the UK. However pretending that the great majority don't does them a great diservice and does nothing to help change.
Other communities seem to have integrated well here. So I think you are right.
All our problems all seem to stem from this one intolerant religion. And wherever you find this religion around the world, there always seems to be some sort of conflict.
We keep getting told to think of muslim sensibility but you never hear of muslims been told to think of non muslim sensibility.>:(
I'd welcome a poll on Christians, if only for comparison's sake. Specifically a focus on blasphemy laws, which is a bit more nuanced.
Yeah, that's absolutely true.
Not it won't. It'll only go so far before many of the rest of the population start getting nasty themselves. What I fear is that things could get unpleasant for the wrong Muslims - as is often the case with retaliation type events. The innocent suffer for the wrongdoing of the guilty.
If we went down this path, I wouldn't want to see any of the peaceful 'wrong Muslims' getting hurt either.
I suspect if we don't do anything now, then clashes most likely will happen sooner or later.
However, considering the birth rates of the Muslim community compared to ours, it could be a case that they win due to sheer numbers in the long run.
So, for both of these reasons, we need to do something about this intolerant religion now.
Such as? That's not a loaded question, I'm genuinely curious.
They were separate questions, therefore any of my examples can apply.
Did you read it?
Only a quarter.
That would make you a traitorous apologist, then.
Everyone knows you have to hate all of them and repress them whenever possible. ;-)
I asked this very question to another poster earlier in this thread.
My thoughts though are in post number 102 above.
I would:
1) Stop immigration from Muslim countries.
2) Stop faith schools.
3) Advertising campaign about the dangers of religion.
4) Schools to teach the dangers of religion.
5) State funded deprogramming clinics for people wanting to leave their faith
6) No more religious buildings allowed to be built.
7) Ban the Burqa in public places.
8) No religious symbols in schools.
9) Religious meat to be outlawed.
10)Constitution drawn up to stop the UK becoming a theocracy and to ensure the rights of groups like homosexuals.
I like the idea of an advertising campaign to warn of the dangers of cults and religions (number 4).
I have the impression that there is already help for people wanting to leave the Muslim faith considering the apostasy law. I think the apostasy law usually results in dis-ownment from the family in the UK. I'm sure someone will be along to correct me on this if I am wrong. (number 5)
So, I agree with your list. I think it looks sensible.
I agree with him - I was shocked when I heard the BBC this morning. I kept thinking... 'why are they downplaying the number who thought that those who thought there could be justification for violence..
I am not sure the questions were particularly well phrased though - "I have some sympathy with the motives behind..." seems very woolly and could be interpreted as 'I don't like people insulting the Prophet either' rather than 'they were right to kill them'. A poor job on the questions I think.
That aside, the numbers are very worrying and the BBC need to be taken to task about the ridiculous way they 'looked on the bright side' of some very dark data.
I'd add the option mentioned earlier: financial incentives to relocate. According to the BBC's now infamous poll 14% said "If I could I would leave Britain and go and live in another country". That's over 400,000 gone right there.
With lots of ladies dressed in their burkas, at least the stop/start animation shouldn't take too long between remoulds.
Thanks Oxy.
Maybe I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. ;-)
15 year old school kids can relocate without any financial incentive.