Could this not be compared to societies in Uni based on race...Asian soc, Afro-Carriebean soc etc?
Also, what about pagent like Chinese, Indian, Nigerian, where they represent their country, but when its grouped into Black, Asian, Oriental, does this seem more racist?
So because some people were discriminated against in the past, it's OK to discriminate against someone else now?
Two wrongs do not make a right.
PS. Who decides when the past discimination has been sufficiently rebalanced?
What if they overshoot?
Do we discriminate against the first group again for a bit?
Good points.
I'm actually very pro race discrimination legislation, but only if that legislation is applied with scrupulous impartiality.
It appears to me that currently the thinking is geared towards a system that is allowing racism from certain quarters ~ and I'm sorry, but that to me is utterly and totally unacceptable.
Ah, interesting....it all hinges, apparently, on this one single word, "minority". Why is that, I wonder ? Ethnic is ethnic is ethnic, or maybe not.....
Which brings me straight back to my question above. Does separate race discrimination legislation exist dependent upon ethnic demography ?
No.
Under the Race Relations Act, it is unlawful to discriminate against anyone on grounds of race, colour, nationality (including citizenship), or ethnic or national origin. All racial groups are protected from discrimination.
The Race Relations Act generally applies to employment, planning, housing, the exercise of public functions (both by public authorities and also private bodies exercising public functions, for example, privately-run prisons).
It also applies to the provision of goods, facilities and services, and to education.
There are also offences under the criminal law, including racial harassment or incitement to racial hatred.
Under the Race Relations Act, it is unlawful to discriminate against anyone on grounds of race, colour, nationality (including citizenship), or ethnic or national origin. All racial groups are protected from discrimination.
The Race Relations Act generally applies to employment, planning, housing, the exercise of public functions (both by public authorities and also private bodies exercising public functions, for example, privately-run prisons).
It also applies to the provision of goods, facilities and services, and to education.
There are also offences under the criminal law, including racial harassment or incitement to racial hatred.
Right.....so a "black women only" thing is exempt from the above, because.....?
So a Miss White Britain is ok then...becuase if one is, then other must be...
I think you missed the point of that post.
Women's tennis, football, rugby, disabled sports.
There are any number of events or competitions that are targeted at a specific group to the exclusion of others.
In all cases would you consider these as discrimination against those who wouldn't be included or creating your own playing field where groups can compete on level terms.
Oh come on ... do you seriously believe that if he was white that this unfunny c**t would get series after series on the beeb!!!!!
There is no need for that language! Please think before you type in future. You may not like him but there is no need to be so rude. :mad: I think he is a bloody good bloke myself! As someone else said Jim Davidson got away with for years so there you go.
Women's tennis, football, rugby, disabled sports.
There are any number of events or competitions that are targeted at a specific group to the exclusion of others.
In all cases would you consider these as discrimination against those who wouldn't be included or creating your own playing field where groups can compete on level terms.
I have no problem with something which targets one thing over another ie Men and women sport etc. The issue is when one is acceptable, whilst the other isn't. Ie you can have a black competition, but not a white competition, as one is seen to be racist, whilst the other isn't.
I have no problem with something which targets one thing over another ie Men and women sport etc. The issue is when one is acceptable, whilst the other isn't. Ie you can have a black competition, but not a white competition, as one is seen to be racist, whilst the other isn't.
Both are racist really but when you look at the magazine covers and catwalks what don't you see? Its simple if people feel excluded from one club they will just start their own. Sad but true
Both are racist really but when you look at the magazine covers and catwalks what don't you see? Its simple if people feel excluded from one club they will just start their own. Sad but true
True. I just think that instead of making their own contest, more should be done to ensure that the 'mainstream' is changed so that all colours are represented.
Both are racist really but when you look at the magazine covers and catwalks what don't you see? Its simple if people feel excluded from one club they will just start their own. Sad but true
I dont understand why we are saying we dont see beautiful black women on catwalks and magazines...we do, in fact, we see less Asian women then black women, but it doesnt mean they are classed as "less beautiful" Iman, Tyra, Naomi, Veronica Webb, Lana Ogilvie, Yasmin Warsame and Alek Wek are just a few I can name off the top of my head (With Lana being the original "black supermodel) that all can command a very good pay for a days work/shoot/runway show.
I dont understand why we are saying we dont see beautiful black women on catwalks and magazines...we do, in fact, we see less Asian women then black women, but it doesnt mean they are classed as "less beautiful" Iman, Tyra, Naomi, Veronica Webb, Lana Ogilvie, Yasmin Warsame and Alek Wek are just a few I can name off the top of my head (With Lana being the original "black supermodel) that all can command a very good pay for a days work/shoot/runway show.
You see some but certainly not a lot nicibabes. Not enough for you to not notice that they're black, if you know what I mean. You can name them because you're interested in the genre. I challenge anyone to go into WHSmith tonight and find a black face on the front cover of a fashion magazine. I agree with you about Asian women in fashion though.
Although to be fair the OP is talking about beauty contests more than the fashion industry.
I dont understand why we are saying we dont see beautiful black women on catwalks and magazines...we do, in fact, we see less Asian women then black women, but it doesnt mean they are classed as "less beautiful" Iman, Tyra, Naomi, Veronica Webb, Lana Ogilvie, Yasmin Warsame and Alek Wek are just a few I can name off the top of my head (With Lana being the original "black supermodel) that all can command a very good pay for a days work/shoot/runway show.
They are a minority, what Im talking about is the nameless models who front company, cosmo and the like.
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Why ask me?
This thread is the first I've heard of the pageant.
BTW. In case you had forgotten, my statement about making them open to everybody was about educational establishments, not beauty pageants.
Or trying to start a "white police association"!
Don't you mean a "white women's beauty contest".
The fashion show under discussion is for black women, not non-white women.
Also, what about pagent like Chinese, Indian, Nigerian, where they represent their country, but when its grouped into Black, Asian, Oriental, does this seem more racist?
So because some people were discriminated against in the past, it's OK to discriminate against someone else now?
Two wrongs do not make a right.
PS. Who decides when the past discimination has been sufficiently rebalanced?
What if they overshoot?
Do we discriminate against the first group again for a bit?
Actually, beauty is in the eye of the beerholder.
Good points.
I'm actually very pro race discrimination legislation, but only if that legislation is applied with scrupulous impartiality.
It appears to me that currently the thinking is geared towards a system that is allowing racism from certain quarters ~ and I'm sorry, but that to me is utterly and totally unacceptable.
Are overweight and over 30 year-olds specifically barred from entering beauty competitions?
I realise they might never get past the first round, but neither do a great many slim and under 30s.
Actually, men can enter a beauty contest.
go figure :rolleyes:
No.
Under the Race Relations Act, it is unlawful to discriminate against anyone on grounds of race, colour, nationality (including citizenship), or ethnic or national origin. All racial groups are protected from discrimination.
The Race Relations Act generally applies to employment, planning, housing, the exercise of public functions (both by public authorities and also private bodies exercising public functions, for example, privately-run prisons).
It also applies to the provision of goods, facilities and services, and to education.
There are also offences under the criminal law, including racial harassment or incitement to racial hatred.
Right.....so a "black women only" thing is exempt from the above, because.....?
So a Miss White Britain is ok then...becuase if one is, then other must be...
I think you missed the point of that post.
Women's tennis, football, rugby, disabled sports.
There are any number of events or competitions that are targeted at a specific group to the exclusion of others.
In all cases would you consider these as discrimination against those who wouldn't be included or creating your own playing field where groups can compete on level terms.
I presume they're not barred because they don't bother to compete, they know they're not going to make it past the first round.
In that case what's wrong with creating and overweight or over 30's competition, a niche for everyone to compete with their peers.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/a66111/winslet-under-pressure-from-race-groups.html
Unless the person in charge was a blatant racist then maybe but why hassle Kate over it? Maybe only white people applied for it?
There is no need for that language! Please think before you type in future. You may not like him but there is no need to be so rude. :mad: I think he is a bloody good bloke myself! As someone else said Jim Davidson got away with for years so there you go.
Actually as long as everyone is being racist to everyone else, no one can complain. It seems to suit the fashion industry at least.
I have no problem with something which targets one thing over another ie Men and women sport etc. The issue is when one is acceptable, whilst the other isn't. Ie you can have a black competition, but not a white competition, as one is seen to be racist, whilst the other isn't.
Both are racist really but when you look at the magazine covers and catwalks what don't you see? Its simple if people feel excluded from one club they will just start their own. Sad but true
True. I just think that instead of making their own contest, more should be done to ensure that the 'mainstream' is changed so that all colours are represented.
I dont understand why we are saying we dont see beautiful black women on catwalks and magazines...we do, in fact, we see less Asian women then black women, but it doesnt mean they are classed as "less beautiful" Iman, Tyra, Naomi, Veronica Webb, Lana Ogilvie, Yasmin Warsame and Alek Wek are just a few I can name off the top of my head (With Lana being the original "black supermodel) that all can command a very good pay for a days work/shoot/runway show.
You see some but certainly not a lot nicibabes. Not enough for you to not notice that they're black, if you know what I mean. You can name them because you're interested in the genre. I challenge anyone to go into WHSmith tonight and find a black face on the front cover of a fashion magazine. I agree with you about Asian women in fashion though.
Although to be fair the OP is talking about beauty contests more than the fashion industry.
They are a minority, what Im talking about is the nameless models who front company, cosmo and the like.