Sadly, it happens commonly in abusive relationships. The abuser (in this case, Kirsty) will pit the victim (in this case, Tyrone) off against people who'd otherwise help them out of an abusive relationship. It's a common alienation tactic, which results in the abuser having more control over their victim; by the time the victim realises things aren't going to change, they've destroyed the relationships that would have otherwise helped them out of the situation.
It's frustrating, but the abuser convinces the victim they're better off without friends "like that" (eg, the REAL friends). Seen it happen too many times.
I feel bad for him in the sense that it has to be especially humiliating for a male victim of domestic violence and he feels obligated to stay with Kirsty since she's having his baby. However, Alan's acting doesn't help matters and doesn't leave me feeling as much sympathy as I should.
The storyline reminds me of Heston's on Doctors where Kevin was trying to help him and he punished Kevin for it. Owen Brenman's performance on Doctors was a lot more convincing however than Alan Halsall's though.
Tyrone being isolated by his friends is, however, a realstic situation for abuse victims and I think it make sense that he wants to be a father so badly that he would behave that way toward Tina and Tommy.
I feel a bit sorry for him as Kirstie is such an evil thing.
How come we never hear or see anything of Kirstie's family? Is she supposed to have one? This should really be under SOR thread but, honestly, a new baby on the way and no contact from any relatives?:rolleyes:
I feel a bit sorry for him as Kirstie is such an evil thing.
How come we never hear or see anything of Kirstie's family? Is she supposed to have one? This should really be under SOR thread but, honestly, a new baby on the way and no contact from any relatives?:rolleyes:
Her mum & dad were in it briefly, when Tyrone threw her a surprize birthday party. I think her mum's coming again, it showed why she's the way she is, her dad's exactly the same.
Your right look at the Shelly and Charlie story he completely changed her personallity.
It happens a lot. Abusers change the way their victims think (emotional and psychological abuse) and this usually starts LONG before the physical abuse.
It's like someone takes your reality, and remoulds it completely, so that enemies become friends, vice versa, and you don't know whether you're coming or going.
Sadly, it happens commonly in abusive relationships. The abuser (in this case, Kirsty) will pit the victim (in this case, Tyrone) off against people who'd otherwise help them out of an abusive relationship. It's a common alienation tactic, which results in the abuser having more control over their victim; by the time the victim realises things aren't going to change, they've destroyed the relationships that would have otherwise helped them out of the situation.
It's frustrating, but the abuser convinces the victim they're better off without friends "like that" (eg, the REAL friends). Seen it happen too many times.
Some men have been brought up to believe it's wrong to hit a woman which is why they don't fight back. Also the fact she's carrying his baby.
I do feel sorry for Tyrone but don't like the way he's treating Tommy and Tina. He probably can't even see that Kirsty isolating him from Tommy and Tina is a form of abuse.
I think Tyrone should get out of the relationship asap and file for custody of the child. As Kirsty's abusive he'd surely have better chance of getting custody.
I still don't understand female-on-male abuse. Tyrone could easily overpower Kirsty...it's totally pathetic.
Because some men aren't violent nor want to hit back, and they end up being accused as being violent towards women. This happened a few weeks ago when Deirdre suspected Tyrone of being the abuser when he pushed Kirsty away and she hit her head.
With comments like that its no wonder people don't take men getting abused seriously enough, and men abused hesitate about telling someone.
I still don't understand female-on-male abuse. Tyrone could easily overpower Kirsty...it's totally pathetic.
Not really.
If you bear in mind that men are told it's wrong to hit women, then they're more likely to avoid defending themselves. I don't think I've ever seen Tyrone raise a hand to anyone, he's not going to start now. It'd make him the scum of the earth.
Add to that, the element of shame that abuse victims live with. Men have the added "what? you got hit by a woman?" crap to deal with.
Sadly, it happens commonly in abusive relationships. The abuser (in this case, Kirsty) will pit the victim (in this case, Tyrone) off against people who'd otherwise help them out of an abusive relationship. It's a common alienation tactic, which results in the abuser having more control over their victim; by the time the victim realises things aren't going to change, they've destroyed the relationships that would have otherwise helped them out of the situation.
It's frustrating, but the abuser convinces the victim they're better off without friends "like that" (eg, the REAL friends). Seen it happen too many times.
Some men have been brought up to believe it's wrong to hit a woman which is why they don't fight back. Also the fact she's carrying his baby.
I do feel sorry for Tyrone but don't like the way he's treating Tommy and Tina. He probably can't even see that Kirsty isolating him from Tommy and Tina is a form of abuse.
I think Tyrone should get out of the relationship asap and file for custody of the child. As Kirsty's abusive he'd surely have better chance of getting custody.
BIB: I'd hope so, but sadly, I've seen convicted sex offenders get access, at least, and at least one abuser retain custody. The laws re parental responsibility are screwed, and routinely allow abusers to continue their abuse, either of former partners, or by relocating the abuse to the child.
I still feel sorry for him. Kirsty is carrying his child, ty has wanted to be a dad for ages so he feels obliged to stand by her. I dislike the way he's treating Tommy and Tina, they are only trying to help. It felt uncomfortable watching it tonight, with Kirsty flipping from nice to nasty, Ty doing his best.
I still don't understand female-on-male abuse. Tyrone could easily overpower Kirsty...it's totally pathetic.
I don't think that is quite fair since most people would blame Tyrone for that even though she started it. Even if he just restrained her, some people might blame him, especially with her being pregnant.
BIB: I'd hope so, but sadly, I've seen convicted sex offenders get access, at least, and at least one abuser retain custody. The laws re parental responsibility are screwed, and routinely allow abusers to continue their abuse, either of former partners, or by relocating the abuse to the child.
Because some men aren't violent nor want to hit back, and they end up being accused as being violent towards women. This happened a few weeks ago when Deirdre suspected Tyrone of being the abuser when he pushed Kirsty away and she hit her head.
With comments like that its no wonder people don't take men getting abused seriously enough, and men abused hesitate about telling someone.
If you bear in mind that men are told it's wrong to hit women, then they're more likely to avoid defending themselves. I don't think I've ever seen Tyrone raise a hand to anyone, he's not going to start now. It'd make him the scum of the earth.
Add to that, the element of shame that abuse victims live with. Men have the added "what? you got hit by a woman?" crap to deal with.
He doesn't need to hit her, he simply needs to restrain her. If he does it enough and she learns that she can't push him around, she wouldn't do it.
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It's frustrating, but the abuser convinces the victim they're better off without friends "like that" (eg, the REAL friends). Seen it happen too many times.
Everyone warned Shelley against Charlie but she wouldn't hear anything against him and ended up isolated which is what Kirsty's now doing to Tyrone.
Kirsty's wanted Tyrone all to herself for lord knows how long and now it seems she has.
The storyline reminds me of Heston's on Doctors where Kevin was trying to help him and he punished Kevin for it. Owen Brenman's performance on Doctors was a lot more convincing however than Alan Halsall's though.
Tyrone being isolated by his friends is, however, a realstic situation for abuse victims and I think it make sense that he wants to be a father so badly that he would behave that way toward Tina and Tommy.
Most likely he will eventually realise she won't and wake up to it.
Unless they're going to dramatically change Kirstys character.
How come we never hear or see anything of Kirstie's family? Is she supposed to have one? This should really be under SOR thread but, honestly, a new baby on the way and no contact from any relatives?:rolleyes:
There's no universal law that says every victim has to be adored at all times.
Hell, being abused can make you come across as a really shitty person...
Your right look at the Shelly and Charlie story he completely changed her personallity.
It happens a lot. Abusers change the way their victims think (emotional and psychological abuse) and this usually starts LONG before the physical abuse.
It's like someone takes your reality, and remoulds it completely, so that enemies become friends, vice versa, and you don't know whether you're coming or going.
It is realistic though, corrode are doing it infuriatingly well
Good post, well said. :cool:
I do feel sorry for Tyrone but don't like the way he's treating Tommy and Tina. He probably can't even see that Kirsty isolating him from Tommy and Tina is a form of abuse.
I think Tyrone should get out of the relationship asap and file for custody of the child. As Kirsty's abusive he'd surely have better chance of getting custody.
Because some men aren't violent nor want to hit back, and they end up being accused as being violent towards women. This happened a few weeks ago when Deirdre suspected Tyrone of being the abuser when he pushed Kirsty away and she hit her head.
With comments like that its no wonder people don't take men getting abused seriously enough, and men abused hesitate about telling someone.
Not really.
If you bear in mind that men are told it's wrong to hit women, then they're more likely to avoid defending themselves. I don't think I've ever seen Tyrone raise a hand to anyone, he's not going to start now. It'd make him the scum of the earth.
Add to that, the element of shame that abuse victims live with. Men have the added "what? you got hit by a woman?" crap to deal with.
Well said
i still feel sorry for tyrone.
BIB: I'd hope so, but sadly, I've seen convicted sex offenders get access, at least, and at least one abuser retain custody. The laws re parental responsibility are screwed, and routinely allow abusers to continue their abuse, either of former partners, or by relocating the abuse to the child.
I don't think that is quite fair since most people would blame Tyrone for that even though she started it. Even if he just restrained her, some people might blame him, especially with her being pregnant.
That's complete madness.
Some of the laws in this country are insane.:(
He doesn't need to hit her, he simply needs to restrain her. If he does it enough and she learns that she can't push him around, she wouldn't do it.